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wiretapp thats why he funded terrorist groups to attack israel thats why he paid suicide bombers families thats
there was nothing moral about FDR
it’s not only immoral.. its a bastardization of the basic founding of our nation
he did not even prepare his predeccssor for some of the most important decisions the man would have to make in his life did not prepare him one single bit and he knew he was dieing what a fucking idiot
Its all about your definition of government
Who’s that?
FDR
if you feel government is there to provide for you then your definition is much different than someone who feels government is there to protect them
He tried to rewrite the laws on how the supreme court was configured only because all of his new deal ideas were being stopped at the supreme court Nooooo lets not try to make legislation that is constitutional lets just change those who decide if it is or not
it’s the same thing, Schlotzsk, government is there to protect you from economic situations beyond your control
No there not No its not
To protect you from economic situations? No, to protect you from criminals, yes.
economic situations can be just as harmful and life changing
Nah, thats more a matter of personal responsibility
To give you a hand on a temp basis it you are devistated, sure.
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yes personal responsibility is everything, lets give everyone guns and remove the police and army that’ll work great
No your beginning to use your noodle mornx er now
that was sarcasm
please don’t drive this morning you might kill someone Ohhh and becareful with that pencil on your desk as well you might stab yourself
Personal responsibilty vs. an economic threat is much different than physical safety
I don’t think so, it’s all a question of right to life, that requires safety and shelter, food etc
thats your definition of it mine is to make sure physical violence does not snuff out the lives of others
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Mornx, how about right to transportation?
eh? what?
How about your right to access to the internet How about your right to party ??
Mornx, shouldn’t everyone be given a car so they can get tot the government warehouse to pick up their food?
no
Why not?!
socialist left party here in canada: OTTAWA – Today, NDP MP Peggy Nash (Parkdale High Park) will introduce a bill in the House of Commons that will re-establish a federal minimum wage and set it at $10 an hour.
and it’s quite absurd to bring that up when I was specifically talking about needs and not luxuries
Retarded glad that will never pass
How about to the government run gas station, so they can get to the food warehouse?
who decides what a need is ? or is not I NEED MORE GOLF I really do
Mornx, food is a need, you mentioned it. How are people supposed to get to the food and deliver it home?
walk to a shop
this is the difference between liberals and conservatives
Walk!
liberals have socialist conscious the govt must provide
What if it’s 20 miles away?
conservatives have individualist conscious
that can still be done
its up to us to provide food and resources for our family
Mornx, but it would be cruel and unusual.
well catch a bus, they are cheap
What if it’s 50 miles away? What if there are no busses? And if we have busses, can we AT LEAST get free tickets for the bus?
order food with fedex? I dunno 
Will the government pay for the shipping?
no at best give a discount
What good is that?
you’re talking about extreme situations this is silly
You said the government should *provide*.
Left party in Canada wants to hurt the poor by raising minimum wage They should be ashamed
Good morning folks.
not to mention hurting the small business owner
Happy Baker big report Birthday Release Day!
haha wanna confuse a conserative? Report: Vice president’s lesbian daughter pregnant haha.. “But if she’s a lesbian…how can she get pregnant” oo gonna have a gay couple raising a child guess the child’s gonna turn out gay and Cheney’s gonna have a gay grandchild too WASHINGTON (AP) — Mary Cheney, the openly gay daughter of Vice President Dick Cheney and wife Lynne, is pregnant, according to a published report.
it is said they don’t turn out gay at a rate greater than the general population.
do you realize that Mary Cheney and her partner have been together longer than any of Rush LImbaugh’s THREE marriages
link?
http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/12/06/cheney.daughters.ap/index.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/05/AR2006120501712.html
well good for Mary Cheney. she’s well educated and has a good job. the kid should turn out great… until grandpa takes him/her quail hunting
wonder if bush will fly to north korea to meet with kim jung il
I think she must have received a good conservative upbringing to turn out so well
after bribing him to stop his nuclear program
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imagine, being gay AND conservative. you’d think that woudl be a clash of ideals, but somehow, probably using her brain, she was able to make things work…interestng ey?
Its incredible She wants to be gay with all the benefits of being straight
did you see that the asst sec of state has offered a deal to the NKs?
trap, what kinda deal?
oh, you misfired with that one. Oh, wait, what am I saying?
wonder how that will sit with those who criticized CLINTON for doing the same thing
IT CLITON FALT~ !
Clinton and the thought police.
WASHINGTON, Dec. 5 — The United States has offered a detailed package of economic and energy assistance in exchange for North Korea’s giving up nuclear weapons and technology, American officials said Tuesday. The combination of incentives and demands was the focal point of three-way meetings on Nov. 28 and 29 involving Assistant Secretary of State Christopher R. Hill; North Korea’s vice foreign minister, Kim Kye-gwan; and Chinese officials .
trapezoid, they must have been going through old files or something…
no doubt
trapezoid, I don’t believe it will work unless China put thier big foot down.
hehe a bribe?
Kim got his butt spanked in public by China.
and he liked it!
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/world/asia/06korea.html Here are excerpts from portions of the Iraq Study Group report, which was being released Wednesday: ”The situation in Iraq is grave and deteriorating. There is no path that can guarantee success, but the prospects can be improved.”
buncha negative nellies
”Our most important recommendations call for new and enhanced diplomatic and political efforts in Iraq and the region, and a change in the primary mission of U.S. forces in Iraq that will enable the United States to begin to move its combat forces out of
things are going well in Iraq its the media’s fault they hate america and want us to lose
to begin to move its combat forces out of Iraq responsibly. We believe that these two recommendations are equally important and reinforce one another. ”If the situation continues to deteriorate, the consequences could be severe. A slide toward chaos could trigger the collapse of Iraq’s government and a humanitarian catastrophe. Neighboring countries could intervene. Sunni-Shia clashes could spread. Al-Q Al-Qaida could win a propaganda victory and expand its base of operations. The global standing of the United States could be diminished. Americans could become more polarized.”
trapezoid, yep, let the games begin, the Iraqi’s have a completely different set of rules for engagement.
diplomatic talks with the guys that want Nukes, wipe Isreal off the Map, and has made strong ties to south American Leftist to destablize the USA? Hrmm, I think we should just pull out and give up and play nice now.
liberal leftists and democrat donkeys want to establish a global caliphate with Michael Moore and Ted Kennedy ruling al-Amerika
”The primary mission of U.S. forces in Iraq should evolve to one of supporting the Iraqi army, which would take over primary responsibility for combat operations. By the first quarter of 2008, subject to unexpected developments in the security situation o
trapezoid, I count at least one *if* and 3 *coulds* in there.
in the security situation on the ground, all combat brigades not necessary for force protection could be out of Iraq. blame baker and the committee
TheTailor, yup yup, and if you don’t stop you could make a boo boo.
these are quotes from the report
Wow, the report is stating what the plan has been all along, imagine that.
LOL YOu guys see the picture of Dubya holding “THE IRAQ Study Group Report” ? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/pfjunkie/politics/newtbushwed04.jpg
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-US-Iraq-Excerpts.html
Baker is a tool of the leftists
haha
baker is a commie
excerpts are taken out of context you’re a commie liberal donkey no lips
not to mention a good friend of busg sr, a known subversive bush sr
L0c0, that’s enough stupidity for one day.
DeDannan, no he is just a Diplomat, tried and true. No left or right, he will talk you to death.
TV_, diplomats are leftist tools
oh, i guess after you, there’s little room for anybody else…
Here are excerpts from a letter from Iraq Study Group co-chairs James A. Baker III and Lee Hamilton: ”In this consensus report, the 10 members of the Iraq Study Group present a new approach because we believe there is a better way forward. All options have not been exhausted. We believe it is still possible to pursue different policies that can give Iraq can give Iraq an opportunity for a better future, combat terrorism, stabilize a critical region of the world and protect America’s credibility, interests and values. Our report makes it clear that the Iraqi government and the Iraqi people also must act to
trapezoid, yeah, don’t flood
must act to achieve a stable and hopeful future.” More Articles in National »
trapezoid, what web site are you getting this from
ok
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/12/05/christmaspresent.arrest.ap/index.html lOL now THAT is the kind of disipline this nation needs!
trapezoid, we can read the whole thing rather than you picking things out of context.
just wanted to show that at least baker thinks it is a new approach even if you don’t
We can read the whole thing, thanks. Gotr a URL for it?
well no
it’s a old approach to a new problem
only exerpts are in the times
too many words, not enough pictures
not sure where the whole report is posted
Oh, well it will be out there later then,
trapezoid, give us a link to the times article then
i did
Baker said taking out Saddam during the Gulf War would have been a bad idea. it eerie how similar the results turned out in a completely diferent matter
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-US-Iraq-Excerpts.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/world/asia/06korea.html korea?
“Iraqi soldiers and civilians could be expected to resist an enemy seizure of their own country with a ferocity not previously demonstrated on the battlefield of Kuwait. Even if Hussein were captured and his regime toppled, U.S. forces would still have been confronted with the specter of military occuption of indefinite duration to pacify the country and sustain a new government in power.” –James Baker, Sept. 1996
I will admit there are 5 different ways to skin a cat, and that there is always “another way”. But in this case, at what cost? We know what needs to be done this way. The other ways have so many ifs and coulds that I don’t think I would take them.
The NYT isn’t going to give you the whole report because that wouldn’t be the right spin. There must be a disasterous end for the NYT.
the NYT wants us to lose they hate America
TheTailor, how many pages is this report, they probably lack room
TheTailor, hehe, man I can not help but believe that.
my favorite way to skin a cat is dry ice and magnesium
yeah, the NYT is such a small paper
According to ABC News, the ISG makes 79 recommendations in its long-awaited 142-page report.
screw economic packages, i know what will get Kim Jong Il to give up the nukes
Mornx, what difference does it make, taking parts out of context is just that.
that’s larger than a newspaper is!
ocdoc is right
lets send him Britney Spears, Paris Hilton and 50cases of cognac
the nytimes SHOULD have posted all 142 pages
TheTailor, makes you think of cherry picking for effect.
never argue with ocdoc
they are a newspaper they can’t print a 142 report
Mornx, so read the report.
come on
did I say that?
Why, OcDoc is cool, been head to head with him before.
The NYT wants to establish the global caliphate
tailor will postthe report on his own website
where did I say that?
excerpts are taken out of context you’re a commie
I don’t remember saying that!
what is 142 pages to tailor?
yeah, the NYT is such a small paper
yeah ocdoc is a pretty ok guy for an evil libertarian
trapezoid, Oh I’m sure it will be available in .pdf today
perhaps i misunderstood the context of your comment tailor yeah i agree
dont believe him - OcDoc is the devil’s spawn
gee tanks, guys … I think …
if congressppl can’t be bothered to read bills, why should i bother reading the report. i’ll just cherry pick and find the good shit
have you seen my daddy?
not lately
OcDoc’s indian name is “Percy Dovetonsils”
DeDannan’s indian name is “Henry Lysolbreath”
actually it’s Pushmataha Oleijawon
which translates as Percy Dovetonsils
When asked if he’d read the report, President Bush said, “No I didn’t read it. It had too many words and not enough pictures.”
in what language?
OcDoc, take yer pick
No pictures! I am not reading it.
DeDannan’s native tongue licks him regularly
I’llw ait for the movie I’ll wait, even
THE MOVIE.
OcDoc want make sexy times! High 5!
DeDannan speaks cunnilingus but only the Beaver dialect Congress critters read bills all the time … mostly twenties
oh well, I wish I could stick around and see how James Baker and Ed Meese became pawns of the leftist al-qaeda global caliphate democrat donkey conspiracy…but I dont have any more time to waste…
heh
what are you, steve colbert?
Ok, FoxNews is doing a breakdown.
cheers kids…play nice
I knew they’d break down sooner or later
graphics, pictures, now I can understan.
who steve colbert?
the repore?
i hope we can overturn gay marriage today in Canada
Herzen wants to be on top
dont stir up that can of worms
I didn’t know Canada passed a bill to support Gay Marriage.
under the liberals they did
eh … a little bigger than a worm … a little smaller than a python
the ruling rightwing party wants to overturn it
right vs left, east vs west
is the right wing party sane and supported by most?
its sane, its not particularily supported maybe 38-40% support
kay … off to woik
bi0h4z4rd, ah, your point? No wait your yin and yang are going north and south. No wonder you are confused. big trouble in little china. Herzen_, slim at best it sounds like. CNN, is doing it’s break down.
riiight
Seems like the Lefties spokes reporter is saying the same as foxnews, but is highlighting “staying the course is not recommended”
taken down cause they might be offensive to homeless that can not afford cookies and some that are lactose intolerent hahahhah
lol
JanetB, nooo,
honest!! it was just on the news
So even the Iraq Study Group realizes that it is sectarian violence in Iraq
JanetB, got a link?
dc|web, yeah, not Civil War.
Herzen_… might be on fox news it was just on the morning show
Funny, Bush won’t even admit that
dc|web, we’ve been over that, read the ENTIRE report, then discuss it, not just the cherry picking of the NYT.
JanetB, man the PC crap is really getting out of hand. This is really sick.
A reporter on CNN was just quoting from the report
TV_, what do you mean it down’t say civil war, how could they not say that?!
I found it Janet
One of the quotes was that a premature evacuation from Iraq would cause even greater sectarian violence in Iraq
San Francisco is the 6th ring of hell Gays + Govt knows best liberals
dc|web, CNN, Foxnews has reported the same thing, and on the surface it seems not much a diff for the Pres to incorporate or ignore what was recommended.
Herzen_, on fox?
She was reading right for the report
JanetB, http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/06/america/NA_ODD_US_Bus_Stop_Cookies.php
dc|web, yeah, read the whole report rather than bits and pieces.
Herzen_.. thanks
That statement alone is the report admitting it is sectarian violence Wow, even statements read from the report and you’re still blind
dc|web, gee, you didn’t know that prior to the report? I’m blind?
Apparently,
dc|web .. tell us all about it
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I don’t have to take your shit, dc|web.
Admitting sectarian violence? Is the language a new revolation or you just noticed that that kind o violence was going on? As far as I can remember forces were sent to tamp down sectarian violence by Bush and rummy.
cheneys lesbian daughter is prego
and?
dc|web, ah not a revolation at all. Just a misfired talking point. Did someone post the link to the full report yet?
I can play this game all day TT
oooo
I did nothing but point out how you refuse to admit it’s sectarian violence I didn’t even say anything in a rude manor
okay here is the perfect solution to all our problems North East USA joins Canada, Central and Western Canada joins USA, San Francisco falls into the sea
Herzen_, hehehe
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maybe we could sell Seattle to the Chinese
ahahaha Herzen_
the USA + West Canada could offer free citizenship to Republican voters in the North East
oh Gore says Iraq not good, Bush bad. More at 11.
before we seperate
naaa, I just wanna see all those libs move to Quebec, like they promised during last Presidential cycle.
Washington Post reports Mary Cheney, 37, due in late spring awww
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dc1` .. tell us all about it
lol
I am totally amazed that the dems want to talk to syria and iran
why? b/c it contradicts your talking points that dems are in cahoots w/ syria and iran?
JanetB, I have to really switch gears and get a headache, and then I can image,.
I never said they were in cahoots with syria or Iran but you can not appease these people
JanetB, yup, let the wipe Isreal from the map. Let them take over Lebanon.
ugh, time for work
bye.
tv.. they are, thur the goverment
My solution for Iran involves bombs
hey Janet
bye bye hi, bye CryHavoc
Herzen hehehe
JanetB, well they had such great success with north korea, why wouldn’t they want to talk to Iran and Syria?
brb
LOL Herzen !!
Can we all just get along?
Just say _no_ to sectarian violence
Herzen thats anathaema…I would think you were more into massive tanque waves
CNN has another spokes lib, reporting, we should imediately engage in talks with Iran and Syria. Whit large smiles and sweeping hand motions. CNN has found it’s angle.
so why do you bother watching it?
Same reason I go to the DNC website, the Communist website, the green party website, information. Between Leftie and Rightwing news outlets you get the truth. sometimes.
so you’re saying rightwing outlets don’t give the whole and complete truth? *gasp*
and is that news?
TV_ reads his news on stormfront.org for the white supremacist perspective
Herzen, hehehe
The right wing MUST speak the truth
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Iraq Study Group: Iraqi government needs to show its own peope and the rest of the world ‘it deserves continued support’
LifeIsGoo, most times they are spot on but you can see the faultlines more clearly when light by leftie news outlets.
is this all dc|web?
Yes.
damn right…its about time we get tough w/ these damn iraqis and say “Damn, stand up so we can stand down”
he needs to be shitted
none of this coddling “oh little baby must learn to crawl before he can rape his people of their civil liberties”
Doesn’t it suck to be so party blind? (;
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fuck that…get to it…set a deadline for them to get their shit together. worked for elections (twice), worked for organizing a gov’t, worked for a constitution (well a week late) we’ve been setting timetables in the past, I don’t know why ppl fear them so much now
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PartyBlin, I vote Dem and Indie locally, but think the National DNC is evil and subverted right now.
oh hi
They kicked Zell Miller, got rid of other, moderate Dems. For what, why? Dramatic new photographs of Mars have revealed the possible existence of water on its surface.
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Why not just admit you were unjustified? Or that you can’t stand hearing someone elses view point based on something read straight from a report
TV_, linko?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=420833&in_page_id=1770
loco, the only problem with your assessment is they arent ready to stand up. Not without our command and control and management experience, your asking privates to run an army, they need colonels and generals and thats where we come in. They have to learn from us. We dont even consider our own soildiers ready in 4 years, how can we expect an army to be ready
FunYet`, I don’t think it would be hard for the Pres to incorp some of the suggestions without breaking stride.
Further this war is much bigger than Iraq, the consequences of losing are too high to imagine. Take the historical view not the short term view.
FreeTrade, have you found a link to the report yet?
He intends to act on some of the suggestions.
has the full report been posted yet?
the full report?
i only saw excerpts
TV, no but fox has the full report an hour before its official release.
baker report the NYTimes has posted excerpts but the full report is 142 pages and a lawyer involved in the case. whoops sorry
The full report fox has. But its too much to digest in an hour.
FreeTrade, I think so and some are not bad. More over most of the “recommendations” I am sure have been in the news from last election cycle and I am sure before the elections suggestions like this have crossed his desk. FreeTrade, darn I missed it.
want to see excerpts?
The report has been leaked like a sieve over the weeks to everyone. Parts of it. Large parts of it.
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-US-Iraq-Excerpts.html
FreeTrade, indeed, it does not feel like “news”
from the AP
I think its a mistake to give too much credence to this repot. I am more interested in Gates assessment and the pentagon study group these are the experts.
hmmm news conference at 11am EST
Many on the commission have absolutely no military or diplomatic experience. but thier opinions are worth hearing.
FT, from what we’ve seen it’s not much different than what has been said all along. *If* things continue it *could* go to civil war.
Fox just launced news in France. hehehe
baker was sec of state and a “friend of dad” who also had much diplomatic experience
The Iraq study group has been hyped like Ozzie Osbourne and a heavy metal concert. the problem is this isnt an issue of whose who in DC cocktail parties.
trapezoid, and still the consoment diplomat .
who? baker? or bush sr?
baker.
brent scowcroft is also bush sr’s best friend
in the end he is all about diplomatic solutions.
he wrote an op ed piece against the war in late 2002 or early 2003
don’t know about the rest of the pannel.
well its become clear that there isn’t a military solution
Its much to serious. As one general said Baker was part of the problem in the first place in 199x I forget the date of the 1st gw
many thought he was expressing bush sr’s own ideas
But, They are worth listening too.
“The U.S. military is a great hammer, but every problem in the world isn’t neccessarily a nail.”
wiretap this is the most important issue since ww2
civilians make policy, even military policy
Nooo, FreeTrade he didn’t stop Bush sr from going into Iraq during desert storm, didhe?
just “most”
the military carries out the policy
There are a large group of people who want to destroy the way of life of Americans and the west They are unreasonable and ask for things like the destruction of the jews
And Bush understands better than anyone its not just military or else he would take mccains advise and just overwhelm the region with the military and kill every potential enemy.
What do you do besides military?
bush sr didn’t go to baghdad cause he was advised, or knew himself, that iraq was a balance against iran in the region
political and diplomatic solution
There will be extreme criticism no matter what choices are made, its an election season already.
Herzen offer free hand in Lebanon. Turn back on Isreal.
wiretapp, Really? What kind of diplomatic solution?
giving arabs land does not get peace
wiretapp, “You can push the jews into the sea if you don’t attack us anymore?”
Herzen the kind where we show some humility and admit we fucked up
The Iraqi’s have to jump in with both feet and start kicking ass. We know they can, they just have to do it. Saddam’s men didn’t have any problem.
wiretapp, Boy you’re stupid
interestingly enough, the baker report states that the iraq war depends upon a solution between the israelis and palestinians
Don’t come to rescue of Moderate Islamic countries when al queda attacks.
Herzen I like how you consued the Iraq war issue with that of Israel confused same thing Bush did with Al-Qaeda
wiretapp, the people we’re fighting in Iraq are exactly the same people who want to perpetrate the next holocaust Stop trying to seperate them.
herzen is just stating the obvious
no they are not
Absolutely they are
Trap, That would help the whole middle east, obviously its been the major contentious issue in the middle east for decades. That would be a great start
they are quite conmnected
Iraq is in the middle of a civil war and its an occupied country
Fundamentalist islamists trained and funded by Iran and Syria
that is a recipe for disastor
YES, they DO want to destroy Israel
wiretapp, and if pres of Iran says this along with the prediction of the end of the USA? How is Herzen confused?
TV_ then maybe we shouldn’t have handed Iraq over to Iran
well herzen is confused about many things, but in this case he is correct
Saddam had never expressed interesting in destorying Israel
Arabs and persians and muslims are very different, From the extremists whose only goal is external jihad, militant Jihad, to a whole lot who want peace and stability in the middle east.
wiretapp, when did that handover take place?
wiretapp, he hasn’t?
TV_ the moment we took the Sunnis out of power and didn’t provide a large enough occupying force to keep the peace
FreeTrade, we seem not have have exploited taht dynamic.
wiretapp voices the answer the donks have been spouting since we invaded. Saddamwas just a nice guy no one understood.
wiretapp, thats why he funded terrorist groups to attack israel? thats why he paid suicide bombers families? thats why he launched SCUD missiles against Israeli civilian areas? wiretapp, Boy you’re dumb
Iraqis want an end to violence, I think Maliki is making some decisions which could help politically..
donating to ‘martors families’ is common practice in the middle east
wiretapp, ok, keep thinking like that.
i think maliki is on his way out
I think most the politics needs to be accomplished by the Iraqi government.
trapezoid, why?
martyr
Stupidity is fairly common among the left. they always have excuses for paying of terrorists
bush met with his rival shi’ite leader
wiretapp, you’re right, and its direct approval of their actions which translates directly into the want for the destruction if Israel
in this case “Everyone does it”
and maliki appears to have lost the trust of other iraqis
trapezoid, maybe Maliki wanted him to.
I don’t think its neccessarily translates to direct approval of their actions
let’s watch and see
giving a certain amount of $ to charity is one of the pillars of Islam
trapezoid, how does he appear that?
wiretapp, PAYING the families of suicide bombers doesn’t translate into direct approval of their actions? lol if that doesn’t, what does?
why punish the families
willful ignorance is no way to go through life
trapezoid, I think Maliki will have to make a serious move to stop violence, and it’s not going to be pretty.
it seems that way to us but I don’t think they think of it that way
If you have been paying attention to what malikis proposals are lately its encouraging, hes shaking up his cabinet and hes inviting sunnis and kurds and others to meet to discuss the way toward a unity government
wiretapp, why reward the families with large sums of money, seems like a good incentive for a poor arab family, sacrifice one member to get a cash cow
paying suicide bombers families gets you what? More suicide bombers. THATS why its done.
This is a result of american democracy and Iraqi need.
DarthBurg, precisely
FreeTrade, I think Maliki is being made out to be one of the fall guys if Bush needs to push the panic button.
DarthBurg, its direct support for Suicide bombing activities
one suicide bomber can take the will to fight out of the entire Democrat Party
FreeTrade, I hope Malikis succeeds.
saddam’s agenda was never “anti-israel”, but he did send scuds at israel in an attempt to break up the Alliance in 1991, and did send support to martyrs in 2000-2003 in order to garner support in the arab world, however, he was not really concerned before that
But they are a soveriegn nation now, so the balance is do we ignore thier sovereignty and act forcefully against the will of thier government or do we work with it ?
he certainly wasn’t friendly towards Israel
no he wasn’t
Saddam wasn’t about to invade Israel anytime soon
Bushs policy is to work with it.
However, Saddam had other groups to try to commit genocide to I.e. Kurds
Saddam paid the families of suicide bombers 25k in cash
well its hard to keep a fractionalized country together
ask kuwait what they think of Saddam invading someone
saddam was more concerned with gaining wealth from juwait and saudi arabia, and iran he had other fish to fry
wiretapp, are you going to continue to apologize for the horrible atrocities of saddam hussein?
many suicide bombers have said the money was a factor in their decision for the sake of thier families.
Herzen lets see if we can do it better than he did
ignorance of reality, the Donkey way
rather a fucked up way to feed the family
25k to a poor palestinian family is a lot of money a lot of food for their brothers and their mom and dad.
FreeTrade, RIGHT, Exactly, its a FISCAL incentive for poor families to encourage one of their members to try to murder Israeli civilians!
Yes it is a fucked up way to feed the family..
you think they blew themselves up for the money?
FreeTrade, how can suicide bombers say that if they suicided themselves?
for 25k they get someone willing to blow themselves up. its a bargain
well darth is right, the bush sr administration was ignorant of reality the elephant way they didn’t see through saddam
trapezoid yes, the ten years we ignored Saddam was jus tlike peace
Ironically Israel had a strong role historically in helping export suicide bombing from Iran to the Palestinians but thats trivia now and a long story.
cept different
It wasnt intentional
Big news conference.. the presentation of the study to the public on the news now.
law of unintended consequences.
We gave Saddam gas to use on the Kurds then gave him the “go ahead” to attack Kuwait then critisized him for everythign now we can’t even make the country work as well as he did
wiretapp, that old LIE again?
which part of that
But the cold war was raging then, and we had strange bed fellows then.
all of it
AQll of it err, All
wiretapp the US did not give, or sell, Iraq, any weapons.
ok lets start with the last point you think we have Iraq running well?
No, start with the first
lol
” We gave Saddam gas to use on the Kurds” - LIE #1
hehee
“…gave him the “go ahead” to attack Kuwait…” - LIE #2
we might as well hand the country to Al-Sadr and hope he doesn’t ally with Iran, divide it up into 3 (which will cause more war), or just pull the fuck out of there and let God sort it out
wiretapp, thats a lie. And I shouldnt allow you to perpetuate such extreme dishonesty on this channel. You dont have a clue what your talking about because I have studied this in depth.
“…we can’t even make the country work as well as he did…” - LIE #3
if it were not for lies, the DNC would not exist.
we didn’t tell him to use it on the kurds
50% of Iraqs bio came from germany who probably had no clue what its intent was.
but we gave saddam chemical weapons
no lie#3
No wiretapp, we didn’t.
wiretapp the US did not give, or sell, Iraq, any weapons. chemical or otherwise
That was lie #1
well we did give him helicopters
” We gave Saddam gas to use on the Kurds” - LIE #1
sorry lost track
the US is estimated to have provided 2.5% of materials for wmd, some illegally which the commerce dept didnt stop but would have if they could have. and some of it dual use.
during the iran-iraq war
The US policy was to not export these materials.
trapezoid, really? How many?
Darth…actually….ca. 1981, we did aid Iraq…..
trapezoid which saddam promptly mounted gun son
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hell we cant even export software which anyone can get today. some forms of software and encryption.
including giving them some samples of some chem weapons
CryHavoc not a single weapon tho
According to a New York Times article in August, 2002, Col. Walter P. Lang, a senior defense intelligence officer at the time, explained that D.I.A. and C.I.A. officials “were desperate to make sure that Iraq did not lose” to Iran. “The use of gas on the battlefield by the Iraqis was not a matter of deep strategic concern,” he said.
US is pretty tight on what it allows to be exported which can have military applications.
