11.27.07
I wonder if a bunch of people boycotted the IRS if they would get a reward like a free pass I wonder if enough
but it was as a counter-balance against Khomeini
yes the US gave aid to Iraq, no one denies this. but not so much as s single bullet
The only truth is that the US did supply Iraq with conventional weapons through Jordan to fight Iran with.
According to a New York Times - well so much for trying to find any truth there
Darth….it is possible he did get weapons from us…albeit not directly…more by proxy
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - One in seven Mexican workers have left their country and are working in the United States, an immigration study said on Tuesday.
there is a PBS Frontline special about it
Iran was a major enemy at the time having held our embassy personel hostages.
Oh PBS, that’s impressive.
PBS always pushes the DNC alking points.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20061206/us_nm/immigration_us_mexico_dc_1
wiretapp, its wrong.
too bad they don’t help the US economy as much as they help the Mexican economy
consider a similar situation…Bosnia at one point had Abrams tanks…but not supplied by the US….they came from urkey…
tailor gets his news from the “south texas grain and feed report”
Congressional Records of Senator Riegle’s investigation of the Gulf War Syndrome show that that the US government approved sales of large varieties of chemical and biological materials to Iraq.
I have studied this issue to death.
if it’s not there, it ain’t true
wanna bet they originally came to Turkey from the US?
L0c0, yeah, I just wish they were all legals.
imagine if the money they sent back stayed in the US. BILLIONS ever year
Baker is speaking.
they could have been, but chose not to
Special Report
wiretapp..nope
you believe thatis really baker?
L0c0, man don’t this just gets my blood going.
wiretapp completely, and totally, false.
haha
ca. 1918 is the only time
no amnesty for them. guest worker program ok, but make them go back to mexico to pick up the card and enter lawfully and be registered and subject to a national database
that is some TV actor playing baker
1981
they don’t want to be americans they want to be mexicans living in ameirca america
This is the stuff of conspiracy theoeries like the liek perpetuated that the CIA Tried to get black americans addicted to drugs in the ghetto, all on the word of one black drug dealer. and sold to a fool at the SJMN but people took it as fact.
L0c0…why we have to build that wall
The LA TIMES did a study and found that the drug dealer who supplied the story to the SJMN was full of shit, to put it in laymans terms.
USexico will not cut it
L0c0, I agree with you.
l0c0, you know whats in the mind of millions of mexicans. congratulations on your ability to read minds.
send the illegals home.
Man Baker has not changed a bit, still looks the same as when he worked for Bush Sr.
Many want work and dont want to be citizens, I frankly prefer that.
Darth…plug the bucket before you fill it with water
FreeTrade, heheeh
And noone is going to send them back.
CryHavoc close the border. like thats gonna happen
FreeTrade, then open our arms to china, EU and others.
Darth…one way or antoter…it will… another
would would come here and be citizens!
So they can be here illegally or legally the choice is congress’s and the 60% of americans who want them legal.
yes, no one wants to send the Illegal Immigrants home. passing strange, but there it is.
before or after the second 9/11….ayones guess
Let mexico twist in the wind and pick up the pieces of that broken country later, after it crashes.
just because its popular, does not make it the right choice comprehensive immigration reform = “Reward Law Breakers” + “Stab law abiding in back” other than that, its all good.
DarthBurg, dont’ send them home, just make it so they can not find work unless they are citizens.. they wil go home.
Amnesty now with no closed border….
not all but enough.
30 million more illegals for the next Amnesty…
madness
Well as I said they will be here illegally or legally, they arent going back. if people prefer to be ostriches and think that its better to have them here unidentified and unreistered then thats their folly.,
heh watch them move enmasse to MT
cheap lettuce ain’t worth it
If we need 30 million workers by then so be it. if we dont they wont be here.
I don’t know if we can intergrate that many without really strong laws about speaking of english and citizenship.
Yup..onct it was called Missoula….but now….its Mexitooya
Ive seen over 20 years them come and leave based on supply and demand of jobs.
Remove the jobs…
FT…you should be worried the most…
I love how pointing out the fact they are illegal, and not supposed to be here, and all the problems that causes, is being just like an Ostrich.
Hit the Gov of Mexico where it hurts. in the wallet.
most of new illegals will go to California
It’s the times.
TV we can’t do that… we can seal the border if we wanted to though
The govt of mexico is dysfunctional.
basically, as I see it, if you get enough people to break the law, you get rewarded.
Free..they use immigration to the US as a governmental policy as long as they can do that…they wil not change
I wonder if digging a deep trench and filling it with acid woudl be cheaper then building a wall probably more effective too since they can’t tunnel under it
Herzen…they would start pole vaulting
Cry it benefits the USA and every economist who is capitalist knows it. Including the late milton friedman.
FT…yes it does…but we need to know who is here…
CryHavoc, thats easy enough to solve with a chainlink fence on the U.S. side right on the edge, they pole vault into the fence and fall into the acid
I dont care about mexico I care about the welfare of the USA
FreeTrade, but that does not make it right of fair to the current crop of US citizens.
I wonder if a bunch of people boycotted the IRS, if they would get a reward like a free pass. I wonder if enough people kill others if we will reward murder with a free pass. I wonder if enough people ignore the rules of the road, willwe give those people a free pass to?
seal off the border…and aloow open but controlled immigration…you solve both problems
no. we would not.
CryHavoc, I agree
Darth if they came to take your guns would you give them up ?
we get workers…we know who is here
so why do we reward people who break the law who are not even from our own country?
CryHavoc, and cut the minimum wage in half
CryHavoc, I agree.
FreeTrade, it make it profitable for companies which we indirectly benifit from but the things we have to swallow make it bitter to me.
Darth…because neither parrty has the balls to do what needs to be done it would be political suicide
FreeTrade my gun rights are in the constitution. I do not remember a amendment on amnesty for illegals
Remember…the 1986 Amnesty bill was to be the last one …. Remember?
*I* would have a legal right to stand on keeping my guns, Illegal Immigrants have no such options.
Herzen..no…REMOVE the minimum wage
two facts, A) noone in the US government believes they can be removed from the country, including the head of the NID, And B) 60% want a comprehensive solution similar to the president
Must I bend over and take one for the illegals cause it’s good for me in the end?
if you cut off the supply of illegals….no need to fine employers…because there are no illegals to hire… solving yet another problem
FreeTrade A) Lots of people who are in GOV know full well we can remove them from the country. B) Popularity does not make one right.
Majority isnt always right but I invite everyone to examine thier own motives. and aks themselves why do they really feel threatened.
no employer is going to be fined anyways….
Its not economics, not macro economics.
considering how many politicians they purchase
So what is it ?
Fairness. Legal.
I dont believe you all are so obedient to the law its the rule of law, I would like to see the conservatives follow the rule of law if the law said to turn in their automatic weapons.
The need to feel they will be our brothers.
they wouldnt.
I feel threatened by 60% of the country willing to toss the law to the winds. I feel threatened by being drug alone in that utter stupidity. name one other country on the fucking planet that does this.
Fortress MT lolol
And civil Obedience is as old as our republic. So laws are important but not always right.
CryHavoc: http://www.rcaston.com/?q=node/560 Laws are indeed; not always just.
FreeTrade I am sorry dude, but 20 million illegal aliens is not “Civil Disobedience”
to follow because it is law; would fly in the face of some of our celebrated lawbreakers in history.
Look at how EU has lost control of it’s boarders and the problems they are having. France in the head lines just a few moths ago, Itally my god they have no idea how is in the country and what they are doing anymore.
12 million dont inflate figures and 6 million are hispanic
10 then
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FreeTrade, economics are not always right. If that were the case we should have stayed a colony.
Darth, Would you hand in your automatic 9mm if the government says its illegal ?
FreeTrade why did you totally ignore my response to that question the first time you brought it up?
Would you keep your speed limit to 55 at all times except where posted higher ? or lower ?
At some point FreeTrade the will of 60% of the poeple to have these guys dealt in a way to let most of the country sleep at night has to come into play.
DarthBurg: the principle of civil disobidience is sound; all we ever seem to argue about is what laws we should see broken. heh
speed limits, gun laws, illegal immigration, sorry I just can not quite make the moral relativistic grey paint to get there boss
This sudden absolute respect for the law is interesting, and ahistorical. I think Baker is full of himself. Hes getting angry
yeah Baker is a glory hound the recommendations are retarded
DarthBurg: law is imperfect; even you have admitted that. it is this one example where you are unbending; but not the concept that law can be unjust.. so the question remains; who is right again?
FreeTrade can you grasp the qualifier that you have to be a citizen, to engage in “Civil Disobedience”? do we use any rule book at all? or do we just goes with what FEELS best?
and it is highly remiss and idiotic of this report if they DIDN’T do analysis on probability of success of their plan
inviting the 10 biggest egos in america to have a commision is almost funny in some ways.
DarthBurg: slaves weren’t citizens
illegal immigrants are slaves now? from where I sit, they are treated better than citizens
DarthBurg: the railroad; the western railways were not for the most part; built by citizens.
Its interestign to see the reporters finally starting to question the realities of withdrawal and or weakening out position.
http://www.usdoj.gov/oig/testimony/9905a.htm - here is the department of justice’s own report on the iran-contra-drug connection
they do not even have to bother following the law.
FreeTrade, Edwin Meese has just said what you told WireTap about ” the time factor” to stand up an army. uFreeTrade, Edwin Meese has just said what you told WireTap about ” the time factor” to stand up an army./u
DarthBurg: no, i am not equating illegals to slaves, but i am countering your notion that you must be a citizen to perform ‘civil disobidience’
The left lies about illegals, they make good money and thats a sad part of the dialogue..
wiretapp, who cares?
disobedience, typo
Libertine I was not aware that building railroads was civil disobedience. oh wait, its not.
The lefts dishonesty about how well they are paid is very sad
DarthBurg: the Chinese did protest their conditions at times.
True they dont make wages that doctors make but they make 5 times or more what they make in mexico.
Libertine as well they should have, some of those work camps were nasty
it seems the ISG came up with 3 pretty lame recommendations
DarthBurg: again, you dont need to be a citizen to inact civil disobidience.
the mexicans are not treated like the chinese during the railroad construction
finally a good question from a reporter
The mexicans are treated pretty well in my 42 years of experience. the sweat shops are the exceptions and very rare and usually ran by other mexicans Why the left has to lie about everything economically disgusts me
good article Liberkick Sum Ergo Cogito
CryHavoc: thanks, ive been slowly merging fallacyoflogic back into my main site, rcaston
hey salsa
Libertine I am sorry bub, but the chinese in question were A) Legal Immigrants B) had a right to bitch about how they were treated C) were not agitating against established Law and D) have no bearing what so ever on Illegal Immigrants today. I am simply saying tha tto equate an illegal immigrant the same status as a citizen ignoring an unjust law is just STUPID.
The baker report is also wrong. Bush is already enacting things they claim he isnt
Darth..ye talking about the Coolies?
All I want from the Mexican illegals is to go home and apply for citizenship. Fast track them, screen them, etc etc, but I wanna know that they want to imbrace America. For those that just seem not to want to do that , work visas with limitied times to reapply.
railroad workers back at the turn of the century
They are already putting pressure on the malaki government. This group has been to Iraq once,,
DarthBurg: ok, so ammend your statement to say; ‘only legal immigrants can perform civil disobidience’ don’t limit it to citizens.
the potential for abuse of the work visas is high…
And one of them has never been to Iraq
yer right Darth…they were contracted to be here
“one last chance”
If these Illegal just can not bring themselves to be americans so be it and treat them as, just passing thru and with little rights. That of a tourist that is able to work but must pay taxes.
noone wants to or is talking about equating Illegals with citizens, they would be greencard workers. They would not be americans they would not have the full rights of the americans
GreenCard gives you most Citizen rights… you can register to vote for one
CryHavoc, indeed.
Woo! Sandra Day O’HOLLAA!!
And at times thse illegals get more services than Citizens.
you can even apply for a Civil Service job with a carte verde
except that they pop their babies out in our country and then those babies become citizens just becuase they were squeaked out while here and then they are anchor babies and the whole extended family moves in.
Libertine, ya know, I am frankly amazed you would say something so fucking pathetically stupid. do illegal immigrants vote for the legislatures to make the laws? why do I have to remind what civics is? gawd never fucking mind, clearly on immigration, you all got your fucking brains shut off.
DarthBurg: so we could ignore people because they can’t vote? what about women before they could vote?
I guess i do need to remind you.
DarthBurg: or worse; going back in time; non land owners.
Darth…not here
spin spin spin
I think these people dont really understand what americans want in iraq, I think the majority want victory, why did they elect such rightwing democrats ?
DarthBurg, yes they do vote if they want to, since the left is constantly challenging any law that comes up trying to require identification of voters.
Libertine you are so far off the map now its not even worth responding to.
at the time that ;aw was in effect..it made sense
I am really offended but the notion that these illegals think so low of America that they would march in streets for rights but don’t wanna be citizens.
DarthBurg: I am merely framing the debate in a way I prefer.
They want more effective policy but they want victory
LOL he said that congressmen stink
DarthBurg: I am introducing the question of; who exactly has the right to do what.
Libertine is merely not engaging in an honest discourse
TV_ why I am against the work visas….
and ‘why’
CryHavoc, why?
stay in uSA…..but become an american
Libertine ok, of two warm bodies, one being a citizen, and one being not, who has rights?
Alan Simpson sounds like a complete arrogant fool. Like everyone in that ISG.
wait!
TV…because you would solve more then one problem…
Libertine ok, of two warm bodies, one being a citizen, and one being not, who has rights within the borders of a sovereign nation?
even dolc bodies vote in the DNC
CryHavoc, the problems in EU?
better
err even cold bodies vote in the DNC
DarthBurg: I would imagine they both have some rights; as all men have certain natural rights; in practice the citizen will have ‘more’ rights than the non-citizen.
Once Mexico loses its means to get rid oif its excess population, they will have to stop stealing so much
libertine of course, you cant pick up a citizen drive him to the border and make him cross.
Libertine thank you, now, you MIGHT want to factor that FACT into your bullshit arguments next time.
you can with a non citizen if they violate rules of their green card. And they do I know a guy who got 2 duis. That was it. he has never been back after 15 years of living here
yall read the iraq study report yet ?
he knows he comes back its prison
not yet Purp
me neither
what does it say…cut & run….and wait for the genocide?
on the casting couch?
wow your irnorant cryhavoc
DarthBurg: I do not need to factor that in Darth, I already do; the original argument about illegals is still this; “why are they illegal?”
say what Purp??
heh typo ignorant
ABC News’ Teddy Davis Reports: Calling the Iraq war “the worst strategic mistake in the entire history of the United States” and “worse than a civil war,” former Vice President Gore urged President Bush to find a way to get U.S. troops out of Iraq “as quickly as possible without making the situation worse” while appearing this morning on NBC’s “Today.”
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2006/images/12/06/iraq.report.pdf u can read the whole report there
Libertine ok, I will bite, they are illegal because they broke a law.
purp…you been drinking some of Timos Assohol?
not today cryhavoc, no
redfish, good post.
DarthBurg: they are illegal because they failed to go thru federal red tape to come here legally.
could have fooled me…
redfish, I was tracking that wack job all moring.
Libertine in other words, they broke the law.
DarthBurg: they are illegal in the same way you and I are in violation of taxcode when we don’t file a return
nah cryhavoc ill leave the asshole sippin to u
redfish, I knew he had to “seize the moment” hehehe.
Libertine no they are not stupid, i am a citizen, they are not.
DarthBurg: historically speaking, all immigrants used to need to do was show up; now we make it a big production, a federally ran production.
i saw a tshirt the other day someone was wearing…it said ‘welcome to america….no learn english!’ now*
libertine immigration laws started after waves of immigrants started creating large problems
Libertine again, we still have an illegal immigrant, who is NOT like me dodging taxes, and a busted law.
turn off your news, these guys are no more intelligent than we are.
the laws were a response to immigration
Man, I think America and Mexico should be soo close. It can only help America and do wonders for Mexico.
Use common sense, and study the facts on the ground, not the stories the press chooses to tell us and those they choose not to tell us.
redfish: we have plenty of land here, to suggest our government is setup in a way that can not accomodate more people and continue to function suggests a much deeper problem than immigration itself; it suggests our government can not; or does not effectively scale.
que Purpdank? 
they dont tell us about the successes. thats rare.
¿Que, Purpdank? lol
wtf they actually got a book publisher to publish the iraq study group report
But settling the imergration issue in a cold, economic vacuum devoid of fairness and leaving a bitter taste in the memories of current gen would poision the atmospher for year to come.
Police in Rock Hill South Carolina arrested an eager teenager for opening his Game Boy Christmas present early.
Purpdank: actually; the publisher had a bidding war with other publishers to get it.
Oranj….errrrr link?
Purpdank: the 9/11 report was a bestseller, if you recall.
Libertine again, sir, immigration is not the fucking problem, ILLEGAL immigration is. keep your eye on the ball
yup libertine
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2006/12/05/police_rock_hill_opening_present_early/
DarthBurg: legal and illegal immigration is damn symmantics; we’re talking about paperwork at that point.
blurring the lines between legal, and illegal immigration is stupid.
DarthBurg: can our government accomodate unchecked immigration? well, we have 12 million illegals; so im going to say; ‘probaly so’
moral relativism, painting the grey paint.
lol @ police report
12 year old kid…27 year old mom……
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1205062xmas1.html yea do the math
sheesh
15
libertine, not just our government, our government, our economy, our culture. despite what some people are arguing right now immigration laws arent just for the sake of paperwork. its not to remain insulated either but make a stable process
kids having kids
our culture?
Libertine thats not the argument sir, ILLEGAL immigration is
44 here ..no kids yet
what culture is at risk from immigration?
bet the great grandmother is in her 40’s
early 40s LOL
Foxnews.com has posted full report!
mah things have changed though….
“No one can guarantee that any course of action in Iraq at this point will stop the sectarian warfare, growing violence, or slide towards chaos. If current trandes continue, the potential consequences are severe.”
i was just thinking gameboy is xmas 1994
we needed a panel to come up with that?
spread between my birth and my grandparents births…..64 years
not xmas 2006
libertine its a broad term. even just the fact that we could have to adapt to another language , have something in the US like quebec, which would be separatist
dartha, thats two sentances…the report is over 60 pages
DarthBurg: not just any panel; a funded oe! er oe/one
Oh!
but actually there are other issues not necesarily the fault of immigrants
Oranj…Knock Knock!!
how many illegal plane tickets could we have bought?
DarthBurg: you have to pay real bank for a big report like that; think of the copyediting they needed hehe
Bill Kristol is ripping that ISG report apart and he is right
it boggles the mind
redfish: god forbid New Yorkers still spoke Dutch?
o well…bbiab…need to get some work done
who the hell is bill kristol the actor ?
Purpdank: no…
libertine its not an issue of what they speak or not but that it will create problems for people here and create instabiilty, people have a right to self-interest
go look him up Purpdank
sakstress why is he ripping it apart ?
Purpdank: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kristol
he is a very knowledgeable player
Libertine America is more idea than culture, even thou we are both. The Ideas is what will not be transmitted to the current in coming Mexicans that sucks. We have to wait couple gens before intergration really begins.
libertine and its not that it would be natural if large waves of immigrants came, its usually a problem with the other country and the problems in the other country need to be fixed
redfish: it reasons those sorts of questions are better left to individuals and the free market.
sakstress why is he ripping it apart ?
he saying that it doesn’t mention the war or victory in the report. that it is just a concensus document demonstrating bi partisanship but no teeth whatsoever about how to win the war.
redfish: if i dont speak spanish, fine, i won’t go to those shops. redfish: if i do; i make have a natural economic advantage.
yeah salstress will thats up to the president, not the iraq study group
“they do not engage the debate of whether the war can be won”
WTF ? alf ? all suchj studies get published Lag again sorry
wow big lag
Purpdank it is clear you know very little about it
this thing can hang for 5 minutes when I am using vnc
salstress, why do you say that ?
Maybe you should use a proxy instead of VNC.
My point I was trying to make is all govenrment panel reccomendations are publishd, I understand the report is 4 pages long, though I may be wrong and Bill Kristol a very serious intellectual says its worthless.
“I would urge the President to try to separate out the personal issues of being blamed in history for his mistake and instead recognizing that it is not about him. It’s about our country,” Gore said in an interview with NBC’s Matt Lauer.
AlGoreJaZeera
its no more worthless than bush saying ’stay the course’ is the strategy
we do not advise to “stay the course”; it’s too late for that
And I take what he says very seriously. he has been like a fucking warlock in his ability to predict outcomes in the last year including very accurately predicting the results of this last election. Hes like Gandalf the white
still the same right-wing cabel in here
Hrm, on spokes talking head on fox is saying if you believe “victory in Iraq is not possible” then this document offers away out.
heh heh
gracefully
he says correctly this is what you would expect from a consensus report
Oranj whats wrong with right wingers?
think about it, What is a consensus report ?
DarthBurg nothing a firing squad cant fix
a non-partisan report
ITs all the best ideas boiled down to compromise and mediocracy
Oranj so you want all right wingers dead?
i like how the new defense secratary has the balls to admit we are losing the war
sure
traditionally politics always topped at the water’s edge
“Bill Kristol’s Ball”
stopped
Oranj again, why?
Bold ideas the ones which are not part of consensus usually win wars, or lose wars, but its not usually the consensus opinions.
why not
Oranj they pay the taxes
baker is not trying to “win this war”
FDR ran ww2 like a dictator, Bush has not been near as forceful as FDR.
nor is bush
o rly? i pay taxes
he is giving advice about how to deal with the problems in the middle east
Purpdank, Gates didn’t “admit we are losing the war”.
aight i gotta get to work later
Baker claims their goal is to win the war. to achieve the presidnets objectives.
tailor he didnt ?
baker is like gandof or crystal?
Oranj Republicans probably pay more n you do. they are rich, rememeber
No, he didn’t.
he said that in the news conference, actually Sandra day O’conner said that.
the baker-hamilton report is not a military plan
ummm ok tailor he said we arent winning
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/pfjunkie/politics/IraqStudyGroupReport-DubyaVersion.jpg
Purpdank, or losing
Anyway.
I don’t think the nobility of WWII and Iraq are remotely comprabale
tailor when asking we are winning he said ‘no sir’
OldSchool, why?
But there are only 2 members on that board with any military experience of rank. And at least one of them seemed more upbeat with changes in military tactics and not political tactics so muc.
yes, if we study history, we would find out Bush is right, so we must avoid that shit like the plague
Purpdank, and he never said we were losing.
same reason the “nobility” of the spanish-american war is not the same as WWII
specifically the imbedding of troops more than has been with the Iraqis which ironically is exactly what the Bush administration and thier generals have suggested.
Purpdank, you made that part up.
hahah well if you arent winning you most be losing…you cant be not winning and not losing…your funny tailor
if we study history, we would not find bush jr in it
aight im off to work
it is too eaarly
Purpdank, no, there is such a thing as stagnation, neither winning or losing.
I think the most important part will be Bill Gates, who will be working for the president regardless of what he said to get confirmed, and his advantage isnt better knowlege of experience thans rummy its as bush said, New eyes..
Purpdank, of course as always, you just made womething up, Gates never said we were losing.
he didnt say it was a stagnation tailor
A fresh look from someone who hasnt been emulsed in it.
Purpdank, he said we weren’t winning OR losing
no tailor as usual you just spin words like crazy
no
tailor quote ?
the media does the spinning.
Purpdank, shall I paste your lie?
interesting that baker said “we do not recommend raising the number of troops in iraq by more than 100,000, as that is not feasible”
hurry up paste the quote of him saying we arent winning or losing…cause i gotta go
cause we don’t have another 100,000 troops available
you got like 30 seconds
i like how the new defense secratary has the balls to admit we are losing the war
hurry up paste the quote of him saying we arent winning or losing…cause i gotta go
trapezoid logisitics are a bitch.
for all those who keep thinking there are plenty of troops left to invade other countries
Gates never did any such thing.
hurry up paste the quote of him saying we arent winning or losing…cause i gotta go
OldSchool why do you question the “nobility of this war”? Of course it is not the “same” as WWII. But under it all there is the liberation of the Iraq, and Afganistan. The fighting back the tide of a global terror network.
Purpdank, read the transcript
LIAR
its part of the same sentence, the Media just chopped it up.
US didn’t invade afghanistan to “liberate it”
“No Bias Here”
it invaded to get rid of the taliban who gave shelter to al qaeda
trapezoid and the taliban was what to afganistan?
Iraq and Afghanistan aren’t the same
US didn’t invade iraq to “liberate it” it invaded cause it thought there were WMDs, and felt saddam was a destablizing influence in the region taliban controlled about 90% of afghanistan in 2001
“Operation Iraqi Freedom” but we did not go there to set them free
trapezoid, and a by product was????? trapezoid, you are alomost there.
trapezoid, or because he could transfer those WMD’s to thoe that might bring them here or to our allies.
trapezoid, say it.
trapezoid, amoung many other reasons.
We entered WWII to help stop a war that was already raging, and to stop hitler from taking over europe
so we invaded iraq and are now stuck there, in a failed country ok i said it
What would be one of the Nobel by products ????? say it.
gee if the taliban was controlling 90%, and we took out the taliban, sounds like we “liberated” afganistan as far as a dictionary is concerned.
We had already stopp Saddam from invading other countries
Nobel byproducts? Nobel invented dynamite
trapezoid, you are hopeless.
no just not stupid
DarthBurg im on 90k so i doubt it
trapezoid, if you say so.
OldSchool yes, we simply allowed him to bribe the other countries directly. so now, its time for you to pan oil for food. again.
res ipsa loquitur
Oranj 90K? that middle class bub
im 23 so no
yeah and now afghanistan is ruled by a bunch of warlords
lol, yes, middle class is not age specific.
Look, I don’t think theres any disagreement that Saddam was a bad person and whatnot. Just the way we went about this unilaterally has turned out to be utterly disastrous to our image and standing internationally
surely a fine liberation
It could have been done other ways
oldsq lies, unilateral, with britian
what are you DarthBurg
OldSchool lies er
OldSchool, the day is not over yet.
aristocrat? no
Oranj? me? I am actually below your ninety. strictly for tax purposes tho. I am no aristocrat.
OldSchool, According to the Dems, there is civil war, there was not supposed to be and elected gov, Iraqies should have kicked us out day 2 after entering the country.
he is a sith lord
OldSchool, if we lived by the predictions of the Left we would live in a bottle.
The imminent threat posed by Saddam was widely overexaggerated, and it seems the timetable for invading Iraq was accelerated at an alarming and unneccesary rate
its worse than a civil war
Oranj but again, this is not about you or me, its about your hatred of Republicans. Now, as a Right Winger, I can list all the reasons I hate Donkeys, i was just curious if you could do the same
Oranj, is an angry Brit
i hate people who hate to hate republicans is as stupid as to hate democrats
i hate people who hate haters
OldSchool puhleese, even the Carnegie Endowment for Peace, NOT a Hawk Outfit, declared Saddam a long term threat. when re you going to quit revising history?
Oranj.
Oranj ok, you hate the hate, how noble, now did you have any actual reasons? Oranj ok, I hate Democrats because they Grow GOV. thats a valid reason. Also works for moderates and centrists. do you have something comparable for on the right?
OldSchool, unneccesary? OldSchool, hrmm, who told you that?
DarthBurg GOP grows it too more than clinton
Oranj on that point I am painfully aware. no one claimed Bush was a right winger tho.
At the time we invaded Saddam posed absolutely no threat to us or any other country
OldSchool puhleese, even the Carnegie Endowment for Peace, NOT a Hawk Outfit, declared Saddam a long term threat. when re you going to quit revising history?
As seen by how quickly we took over his country
hindsite you can thank Bush for that.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/World/2006/12/06/2653281-ap.html Cheney’s lesbian daughter is pregnant
“long term threat” Not a “Hey lets go invade Iraq tommorow threat”
good for her
OldSchool, then intire world said Saddam had WMDs. what we found when we got there supprised all but al queda types.
OldSchool so was Iraq a threat or not, yes or no?
feel sorry for her having cheney as a father
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id probably kill myself
Nowhere near what they were drummed up to be, no
Cheney rules. I wish he was president.
lol
allan5oh, warning, no caps please
OldSchool puhleese, even the Carnegie Endowment for Peace, NOT a Hawk Outfit, declared Saddam a long term threat. when re you going to quit revising history?
