11.28.07
Yeah Im wondering wtf Trying to figure out that line of logic Its only the most important vote any human can ever
illegan immigrant killed actress in LA
i’m just here to watch what the kool-aid drinking reaction to the elections today is and it is proving to be every bit as hilarious as i’d heard it would be
to provide it, you mean
goodburgr - its gonna be good
You’re just hear to troll and hope someone bites
wah?
IT IS your only objective
you’re here to call everyone names.
I am glad you kool-aid drinkers have decided to log in
stopping the killing in Iraq is not one of the possible outcomes … it was going on before Saddam invaded Kuwait, just different people doing the killing
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L0c0.. they did not give her name, they went to commercial
so we’ve got dems in here saying repubs are intimidatin’ teh black folk! and fox news brainwashes! wish there was some intelligent debate to be had from the left.. any really.
I don’t respect little college kids trolling on an IRC channel ;p
my congressman is under a lot of fire for his flip flop on immigration (went in as a strong anti-illegal immigration former border patrol egent)…he’s become just another typical politician pandering to the military hispanics for votes
you do nothing but throw around names at people you disagree with.
what you have is two lunatics who want to see how long they can last
us-male: who are you talking about, Bush and Cheney? lol
he’s running only against a Libertarian candidate (whom I’m voting for b/c he wants more agents on the border)
yeah, damn college kids, just… getting degrees - what a bunch of morons!
learning is for wussies.
it’d be AWWESOME if we could get a libertarian into the house from MY district LOL
oh, just you !
US-Male: They won’t last long
but not likely to happen
we have proven several things indisputably … tyrants in the middle east cannot get away with delusions of grandeur that they can consolidate the arab world under one grand dictatorship
L0c0 lp candidate who’s not for open borders?
hahaha goodburgr
us-male: oh. that description seemed to fit bush and cheney way better. oh well, you were almost right. uhm, lol
US-Male: It’s obvious what they intend to do, which is pretty much just stirr up the pot with some trolls in hopes of getting a bite back
okay … off to work … try not to solve all the world’s problems until I get back … leave some for me!
yeah we sure proved we stand up to middle east tyrants.
bud`: its something about living here along the border I think
you won’t last long DK yep
i mean just look at how bush has smacked down the king of saudi arabia hahahahah
bud`: definitely get a different perspective when you see it every day i thinks. either way, the incumbent (SIlvestre Reyes-D) has lost hsi way for sure he’s become what he sid he’d never be “a politician”
you can always tell the worst trolls because they type “hahahah” after predicatlbe trolling
L0c0 - i really think that politics corrupts alot of people
i remmber when he retired from BP, BOTH parties wanted him really bad. his basic platform was more help for the borders
six66 power corrupts
and now…he says that its not as important
agreed
i agree…he was one that talked about cutting pork
and the shah of iran! boy we showed that guy what we think of tyrants! lol
and he got over $250,000 in pork for the renovations at a PRIVATELY owned “historic” theater here in town THAT was when i siad forget it
and musharraf! boy, middle east dictators must all be quaking in their boots and the mighty wrath of the us.
So who is gonna win the midterm elections?
any more laughably insane nonsense to spout, ocdoc?
goodburgr’s getting emotional again
dems will take the house, repubs will probably hold onto the senate by one seat
but he’s an important name to remember. Should the democrats take control of the house, he’s likely inline to chair the ARmed Services Committee
I think he’s about to lose it totally
not exactly a small assignment
but its anybody’s game in the senate. the house is a done deal though, its going democrat.
well i have to actuall get some work done, dont killk each other
strange..his webpage says $150,000 for renovation of the Plaza Theatre
the more turnout, the better the chances both houses go democrat. we’ll see though.
how long before the voting starts? for us lasy europeans?
mclaughlin called both houses democrat on friday. it already started
wow my bad, even worse…
7AM everywhere i’m aware of
I voted 3 weeks ago which is good because I have a lot of work to do today
i voted absentee already, but i’m going again to cast a provisional ballot to make sure it gets counted.
at least 12 hours for any worthwhile results
7/24/2003 $150,000 for renovation of the Plaza Theatre
there have been too many shenanigans with ken blackwell running the elections in my state, i’m not taking any chances.
2/13/2003 $900,000 for the Plaza Theatre renovation so thank you guys…more than a million of your taxpayer dollars went to renovate a privately owned theater in El Paso LOL nice
best topic of the week
it does look like there are a lot of illegal shenanigans going on so far
5 Abusive Domain or User
a radio station used the emergency broadcast system to force a bunch of stations to air an ad for a republican candidate
When you call shenanigans in Ohio, people get beaten with brooms.
voter suppression tactics in virginia
yeah well the dead voters don’t make it to the polls ’til later in the day after the sun has warmed the ground enough LOL
http://www.slemmedreng.dk/player/f14600/p14684.php not for kids, mild nudity or very extreme nudity if you are in the US’
seems like there’s been an early start on the dirty tricks this year
i’ve of crap from both sides
did you see the stuff about the calls threatening arrest for people showing up at the polls in virginia? or the guy in california whose staff called around and told legal immigrants they couldn’t vote
nudity differs from country to country?
yup
yes, here topless is not nuse. I swear.
i don’t think its really bipartisan there, the voter suppression stories all seem to be to the benefit of republican candidates
nude
yes, in america, outside of your house, nippies are digitally removed
not saying there haven’t been any, but if there have i haven’t heard. got any urls?
L0c0’s nipples have been digitally removed
if you go to america and start shooting around nude, the police is gonna arrest you for the nudity
took a whole lotta photoshoppin’
L0c0: female nipples only.. men’s nipples are ok seems sexist to me..
nudity differs from state to state. being topless in public in ohio is legal. in texas you’d get arrested for that
i’m not talking about laws.
i guess because only two things come from texas.
http://www.slemmedreng.dk/player/f14600/p14684.php not for kids, mild nudity
well that sucks b/c female nipples are ok and men’s nipples are NOT
or very extreme nudity if you are in the US’
haha
its legal most places so long as your intent is not to arouse or shock
nudity is nudity
not in a legal sense, but that’s all i was commenting on…i dunno what you consider nudity if i wear pasties over my nipples it isn’t nudity in a strict dictionary sense
heh.. too many prudes in the US.
goodburgr you should get some
well I must go make a living, have a good day all
agreed. conservative christians ruin everyone’s fun.
That is funny, I live in VA and I haven’t heard anything about arrest threats at polls I haven’t heard about the radio broadcast either
Dems troll on that every election
goodburgr: eh, the christian coalition as a power tho; is really fading.
it’s the boy who cried wolf
goodburgr: i don’t expect them to stay with the repub party in its current form for another decade.
http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=16105
I guess those stories must come from the Christian Science Monitor ….
thank god. no, they come from the virginia board of elections.
Really?
i’m sure they are just part of the vast left wing conspiracy though Over the past several days, voters throughout the Commonwealth of Virginia have filed complaints of incidents aimed at suppressing voter turn out in heavily Democratic and African American neighborhoods. Today, the Secretary of the Virginia State Board of Elections Jean Jensen concluded that the incidents appear widespread and deliberate.
Because the American Cronicle says so?
yes, really. i’m sure they’re making it all up, falsifying quotes from jean jensen, etc. lolol
it’s always nice to hear a doctor say “seizuring”
Why haven’t the major networks lached on to it?
i saw something about it on cnn earlier
And it says they have filed complaints, it doesn’t state if those complaints are even true
no, it says that the secretary of the virginia board of elections has concluded that the incidents of vote suppression appear deliberate and widespread
http://www.webbforsenate.com/media/phone_message.wav
maybe if you had spent more time in college you would be able to read.
guy being threatened with arrest if he shows up to vote
goodburgr wanna play the game again?
yep bud`: spin all you want, its entertaining! tell us how its actually a democratic ploy to suppress their own voters hehehehe
lol
“hehehehe” dear god
You’re really not going to last long here goodburgr
Peter Baumann in Cape Charles, VA (North Hampton) got a similar call from a “Webb volunteer” saying his polling location had changed. He said: No, I’m a poll worker and I know where I vote. The girl—who was calling from California—hung up.
goodburgr you’re right. fabricated allegations of voter intimidation are NOT an election day tactic of democrats. Never has been. USA Today just flat out lied when it published memos instructing democrats to alledge voter supression even when it isnt taking place
I sure hope Webb doesn’t win in virginia after those awful things he wrote
same with all the other cases where they were exposed
why not?
well i just got back from driving busloads of illegal aliens to the polls
what did he write?
lol
Libertine, about man-boy sex and so on
writing ficition is a crime now?
bud`: i’ve got a nice shiny tin foil hat here with your name on it. ubud`: i’ve got a nice shiny tin foil hat here with your name on it. /u
Libertine, writing fiction isn’t a crime, but often it can be telling about the author
I hope Goerge Romero doesn’t win an election.. writing about zombie sex…
in this case it tells me that he shouldn’t win
HerzWork: uh-huh… thanks thought-police.
in that case, it is telling that he spent a lot of time in a culture where the practices he wrote about were common place
On many ballots in heavily Democratic neighborhoods, Jim’s name is cut off. The ballots say: “James H. (Jim)” with no Webb. actually that was a problem here too w/ the Evoting machines
and it wasn’t about man-boy sex, by the way.
Libertine, Nah its not thought police, he should be free to write whatever he wants to write, and publish it if he finds a willing publisher, thats not the issue at all
L0c0 in the black neighborhoods right?
you’d think that they’d be smart enough to format them so it’s LAST NAME, FIRST NAME
any more than the ancient jewish practice of using your teeth to circumsize is man-boy sex.
HerzWork: you are applying a ridiculous standard.
bud`: not really a “black neighborhood” here
Libertine, BUT, That being said, we should be able to, as individuals, read his published works and vote against him if we are disguisted by it
Last name, first name isn’t the norm.
bud`: theproblems arose during early voting. but seems like the sorta thing that coudl be easily fixed by eletions officials by putting this last name first name
HerzWork: considering he wrote about an actual event that takes place; you’d be disgusted with the real world too.
bud`: when it comes to elections, most campaign signs, etc push for recognition of the last name anyway
Libertine, If you want to publish literature with graphic descriptions of child-man sexual interaction, thats fine. Don’t expect to win any elections though.
HerzWork: ignoring it; doesn’t mean it doesn’t existr.
“ALLEN for Senate” or “WEBB for Senate”
Last name, first name isn’t the norm.
Libertine, and sure as hell don’t start snivling and whining like you are now about it.
L0c0 unfortunantly election officials are usually the LEAST qualified people to understand and deal with technical issues and new voting machines
why are you disgusted by someone writing about a real practice that actually happens, in a way that was in no way flattering to that practice?
bud`: i’m afraid putting the names that way just makes too much sense for politics hehe
Anyways, back to work
the interaction he wrote about is not sexual
HerzWork: hah.
any more than moyles using their teeth in ancient times was sexual
i wonder if they figured out how to boot up the new machines here yet. been 90 minutes of new e-voting at all here
he who spins and runs away, believes his spin another day
sounds like there will be e-scandals tomorrow or something
That’s NOT what metzitzah b’peh is! It is removal of blood.
i fully expect some people in here to have their fingers in their ears shouting “nananananana” by the end of the day
yaak .. whoa. who is doing that?
bud`: they should hire/train techs (not just volunteers) to monitor machines on election days. the volunteers can do the usual duties (taking names, handing you cards, giving you sticker, etc) but leave the technical stuff to a trained person
ultraorthodox still do if i recall correctly there’s nothing sexual about it though.
lets just start putting e- in front of everything
i bet the voting machine’s have technical support from overseas in a call center…
It has been practiced for at least a couple of thousand years but now it is done with a tube, if at all. There are still people who feel it is “better” in some way.
brb, gotta take my e-vitamins
l0c0-its funny to put e in front of things
i’ve heard that it was also done for circumcision, but i’ll take your word for it if you say differently
L0c0 not here. its the same old blue haired grannies every year hehe. and techs might be far too bothersome to have around machines while people are voting.
welcome to #e-politics
“Hello, I am trying to vote…” Customer Support: “Is the machine plugged in?”
i don’t feel much like watching TV today hehe
Removal of blood after the circumcision. It is NOT the circumcision itself.
ahhh. ok.
who is running for president
loco .. it seems to me it would just be easier to crack down on the vendors and stop their arrogant denials.
bud`: yeah, mostly elderly here too. i’m glad they volunteer, but
“yes it is plugged in, it doesn’t work.” Customer Support: “Ok, first I need your name, to verify your support contract and warrenty information.”
lol this isn’t a presidential election randym
watch out, people in this channel will never vote for you if you talk about that, though.
well, a standardization adn regulation of e-voting machines would be a start i think. beaurcracy yes, but IMO, for a godo reason
It is not common among MOST religious Jews today, just a subset. Mostly very reactionary types.
Obviously there are problems and denial seems to be the name of the game
goodburgr seems to have /bash #Politics mode ON
good
“disbelief” is asking me to ask you to voice him or her i didn’t say everyone in this channel.
i think that’s a good bipartisan issue b/c it really does effect all of us especailly when you live in an area that may be heavily opposite of your voting views
disbelief this would be a good day to behave ..
haha, sure he will. L0c0, got a URL for the cut off names story?
TT if he wants to be here for the elections he will. It’s his call
TheTailor: it was on Jon Stewart.
L0c0, or was it just that, a story you made up?
sure hold on http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/viewArticle.asp?articleID=16105
TheTailor: im shocked someone could screw up a ballot that bad.
CometBaby - Why? not expecting it to be a good day ?
that was the URL that goodburgr posted
If anyone missed the HBO special .. HACKING DEMOCRACY .. someone uploaded the whole show .. here is the url: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7236791207107726851&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en-CA if you have not seen it .. don’t miss it.
Are democrats already making excuses on why they lost today?
and Fliers to “Skip the Election.” !!!
Webb accuses Allen of voter intimidation:
But umm, they don’t show a flier, they just say that.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ODUzYWQ3YmVlZTdkN2M4NzFhM2NiOWViNDAwZGIzMTM=
I guess it’s for effect 
man, I hope Dems do have to come up with excuses tomorrow… I’m not getting my hopes up though
do you really think republicans are going to maintain their hold on the house today?
Comet - its a great documentary. the best part was the mock election at the end, and how easily it was tampered with.
no
bastille1: dunno if allen is behind it. but lots of reports of people being called to get them not to vote.
that is truly scary stuff
but that won’t stop dems from bitching about ‘voter fraud’
bastille1: odds are; allen is not behind it; tho odds are; his supporters are.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6590793631232799613
haha
that’s a good one, too. princeton shows with live diebold machines how they can be hacked
people will do just about anything to see their guy win.
haha dailykos is gonna be a riot today. already people whining. someone was forced to show a photo ID in Illinois@!#
disbelief, I think they need to give people a printed reciept when they vote .. just like when you go to an atm. Then you can see just how the vote was recorded.
that princeton one was intersting
How does someone go about getting unbanned?
CometBaby: it’s not perfect tho.. you still have to trust the data storage…
after that story broke, one of the local news stations investigated to see how easy it would be to gain access to the machines
exactly…one printed copy to the person, one printed copy stored in the machine. even better would be if you could go after the fact, type in a one way hash number, and verify that your vote was counted as it was cast
CometBaby: even if i got a paper saying i voted for X .. no promises someone will not change X to Y.
loco .. I am not into believing all those claims of voter intimidation. The Democrats actually coached people on how to make such claims even where no intimidation was taking place.
they had little trouble getting down to a storeroom, but were discovered by a security guard just after entering but…who knows
i can pick locks…i’m not great at it, but i know how. those machines would take about 4 seconds.
bud, god forbd you actually prove you are who you ay you are
THAT blame should fall squarly on the local elections officials
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdAjGXFJw3s hahah preschool political ad that’s hilarious
remember, if you’re in chicago.. VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN!
Eh
Libertine, point taken .. but it is one more step to assure it wasn’t changed at the onset.
CometBaby: indeed.
A win for the Democrats today, will be a loss for Canada
lol
what about homeless people who don’t have ids
and a win for the Democrats today, will be a win for Iran
MissLaVey and dkoser’s reporting *lines* in denver and other places. that’s fucking voter supression! hahaha
or people who just decide never to get an id?
CometBaby: many of us know the vunerability of data, yourself included… so electronic voting is a concern of mine…
dkos a nice objective source
they should still be allowed to vote shouldn’t they
goodburgr they can get them. You can get a drivers licensed identification card. It says right on it .. ID ONLY.
there’s several forms of ID which you can use.
they still have to pay for it though
CometBaby: heh, update votes.president set vote=’Clinton’ where vote=’Bush’;
The President isn’t up for election, why should I vote?
Its a little different than a drivers license.. but legally accepted.
and you shouldn’t have to get an id if you don’t want to that shouldn’t be a barrier to voting
“After the Republican spending spree of the last six years, Democrats will have no choice but to raise taxes. They spend, you pay.”
goodburgr your protests are weak.
if you don’t have a birth certificate and ocial security card, i think voting is the least of your worries
those are poor excuses. Piss poor.
you’re welcome to that opinion, but i think its legitimate. lots of people don’t have ids for all kinds of reasons
L0c0: im not sure I can blame the dems if they raise taxes..
they should still be allowed to vote
L0c0: repubs could have cut taxes and spending; but they didnt.
what are those good reasons?
L0c0, great, at least the Democrats are owning up to the fact that they will raise taxes.
financial reasons, privacy reasons
because they don’t want to.. get caught?
goodburgr I didn’t say it was not legitimate .. I said they are piss poor excuses. A good way to guarantee that people can vote who are not entitled to.
i don’t want anyone to get away with vote fraud
riiiight
Cut and Spend
if it is republicans, that is ok with me!
but there has to be a way to prevent that without disenfranchising people who don’t have ids i don’t want a national id card or any of that nonsense
L0c0: yeah.. if dems raise taxes; they get off on blaming the repubs.. thing is; they are right.
goodburgr if you want *feelings* to get in the way of *logic* then you are propogating voter fraud.
that’s like dropping from fulltime job to parttime job and taking out 10credit cards and a mortgage loan
goodburgr you need documents to get foodstamps, welfare, a job, services. If you cannot aford them social services will get them for you. if you honestly dont have ID to use for voting, then somethings very wrong
goodburgr, do you have a drivers license?
not smart
a fucking water bill is ID at the polls also
there has to be a better solution to that problem than requiring everyone to “show their papers” though
I gotta go to work, I’m a cashier at a hardware store, if you need anything holla
L0c0: yep..
but you don’t have to get those services.
goodburgr nobody is asking them to SHOW THEIR PAPERS .. all they have to do is present their id card.
randym: i need a drywall saw.
most places will accept a valid drivers license
goodburgr, should we just take their word?
at least here in texas you dont’ need your voter card
again, if you don’t have a birth certificate or a social security card, VOTING IS THE LEAST OF YOUR WORRIES
show your papers is the same thing as show your id card, the papers are just one card in that case.
goodburgr .. in other words you want to make it *sound* worse than it is
i’m fine with requiring a social security number
hahaha
social security cards can be forged easily though, so that isn’t a solution
MissLaVey: i know someone who has no ID.. homeless; cand thus can’t get their ID back. they’ve since gotten a fake ID to get around the problem..
we are not going to use SS# as a voter id card
lol
goodburgr, sure you are, there isn’t apicture on a SS card.
the left is claiming voter fraud already i wonder what will happen when the Democrats don’t sweep
despite the fact social security numbers weren’t intended to be an identifier?
i hope not, that wouldn’t help fraud anyway
goodburgr you are really making me wonder about you. You sound like you are promoting that idea, knowing full well it will never work.
Herzen, recounts of course!
in a practical sense they’re used that way all the time, i wish they weren’t but they are.
just realized something…at about this time 10 years ago, I was on my way to vote in my first Presidential election…then I came home and spent all day on my butt chatting w/ you guys hahaha some things don’t change… adios gonna go vote!
Loco
if i were promoting it i wouldn’t have said “that will not help with voter fraud”
Herzen allegations of fraud, intimidation, supression from dem officials on election day is as certain as the sun coming up
goodburgr you brought it up
i’m telling you a little history here. they were not created to be an identifier.
In my state a state-issued picture ID is required. Either a DL or an ID card. You can get the ID for free.
social security numbers? no i didn’t misslavey brought that up.
well its a very bad idea
that’s still forcing people to register with the government and get their photos taken, etc.
Unfortunately, the SSN has become a unique identifier for a person. I get upset every time I think about it, but there it is.
as far as using ss#s for preventing voter fraud, i agree.
i’m aware
You were just talking earlier about how there was already as you put it “shenanigans” coming from the right in the electoral process.
but there needs to be a solution that doesn’t involve forcing people to tolerate government invasions of privacy
is WarpSpeed the same as DarthBurg?
a temporary card issued when you register to vote or something
The reason is to ensure that the person is eligible to vote and votes only once. I don’t see it as some sort of onerous burden.
One thing that will help .. is actually going in and prosecuting people who go out there and fraudulently register ineligible voters.
But yet a good way to prevent voter fraud ie: ID card, you want nothing to do with
it is Herzen its me
i understand that, but your opinion isn’t held by everyone. some people are very against that kind of thing.
and then to prosecute those to actually vote when they are not eligible.
i don’t think “show your papers” is very american
Let me say this
It’s showing a card! BIG DEAL I show my drivers license all the damn time
ok
The left harshly opposed any form of requiring PROOF that you are an eligible voter.
thats you.
its ok to only ask for ID when you are protecting the children
so you suggest that people who don’t want to be able to ever identify themselves shouldn’t have to. got it. your story will change when you’re an identity theft victim
Oh Mr Goleafs has u nickname ok
as important as voting/elections are, I’m disgusted that fraud prevention is such a low priority
i’m all for a way to do that, as long as it doesn’t invade personal privacy or establish a national id card
No one is required to vote. Voting is participating in civil society. I don’t subscribe to the assumption that voting is a right without a civic responsibility attached.
I believe it is because it will stop a lot of the voter fraud
Herzen yes, either a canadian, or a hockey lover
we all have the right to vote, however. whether we choose to have an id card or not.
yaak .. well said !!! *clap*
Uhhh … We’re required to show our ID’s to buy cigarettes, but not to vote? What?
That’s just an assertion. I assert that it is NOT true.
and i assert that it is. so we disagree. except that courts have consistently ruled in my favor on this point
According to you it wouldn’t matter anyways, as you started pulling articles down attesting to voter fraud in VA ie: threating people at the polls, fraud by radio (I forgot what state you said)
phire-: you are required to identify yourself one way or another, goodburgr is saying that we shouldn’t have to because apparently he wants voter fraud
WarpSpeed, the leafs are my most hated team WarpSpeed, i like the ottawa senators
you’re beating up a strawman there. have fun.
Herzen I was never big on sports.
Our law, which requires ID, stands. So even an appeal to the judiciary doesn’t make your case.
show your papers used to be the case in every polling place in america, Show your ID. So its not anti American, if anything we have moved away from it, all non ID promotes is massive cheating and voter fraud, and as the high court said more eloquently than I can, A illegal vote negates a legal vote.
the idea that you shouldn’t have to prove who you are in order to vote is absolutely insane
i do NOT want voter fraud
goodburgr I am past the phony suggestions that we must adjust our democracy and expose our elections to fraud, in order to avoid hurting someone’s feelings.
Yeah, I’m wondering wtf. Trying to figure out that line of logic…. It’s only the most important vote any human can ever cast, and yet, we don’t want to ensure that only valid Americans cast 1 vote?
Lupine lacks voice and wishes to participare.
i don’t want an orwellian solution to the problem is all.
t, too.
but you don’t want people to identify themselves either.
It’s funny an easy way to prevent fraud via identification you want nothing to do with It doesn’t make sense
i’m less willing to surrender liberty for safety.
OMG! It’s a god damn card
i hope you become an identity theft victim.
Look for the courts to say as one federal appeals court said, its ok and good to require some form of proof of elgibility
Give me a friggin’ breal lol
yes i do, but in a way that is not an orwellian invasion of privacy
seriously you’re off googburgr
Votes are and should be anonymous. Eligibility to vote is not and should not be.
how nice and rational of you.
Look for the Supreme court to support that
goodburgr .. you need to get real. In places like Venezuela they hold a gun to your head when you vote.
i agree.
it will teach you a lesson
CometBaby?
Its history how can it be orwellian, The ONLY RESULT of not showing ID is FRAUD
but then you wont be able to prove who *you* are either
Explain
so you’ll be screwed.
that’s not true, but hey.
I wish yonatan would come around today
Democrats want illegal voters to vote becuase they vote overwhelmingly for them
venezuelan elections were deemed totally fair by every independent observer organization
lol
is there anything you think people should be required to show id for goodburgr?
thats irrelevant though
Didn’t Carter say they were fair?
who, Jimmy Carter? lol
LOL
goodburgr its an exageration but none-the-less people really do feel threatened there.
nothing that is a right.
Damn, if Jimmy Carter says it’s fair, then by god it must be!
you should not need to show id to exercise your rights
Just as if the Christian Science Monitor says that women in Iraq are worse off now than before It MUST be true!
phire-: When someone votes, the ballot should be secret. However I can find no inherent right to cast a vote without proof of eligibility. State-issued IDs seem to be the least onerous method of insuring one person, one vote.
oh, i forgot, another example of the left wing media conspiracy.
Lets register the dead, the illegals, the felons, the cat, the dogs .. several times over.
jimmy carter has a good heart (maybe), but he shouldn’t involve himself in politics.
And I dont mean all democrats by any means, but overwhelmingly
i understand that…and i agree with you that we need to do something about voter fraud. totally agree.
can you ask freetimer /cometbaby to voice me?
Ont the other hand, I will say that I agree with goodburgr to the extent that I abhor the pervasive collection of identity data.
i just think there has to be a way to do that without crossing that line into orwellianism by making everyone have ids even if they dont want them
What’s your proposal to ensuring one [legal] person, one [legal] vote?
Danke
wolfy didn’t starly voice you?
No, webchat has been changing my ID at random again.
oh
and that’s part of the problem there. maybe 50 years ago, showing ID (if it was free to obtain) wouldn’t have been such a big deal. but we live in the era of databases now.
hmm, Did timur do something again ?
no biggee
There should be some form of verification that you’re an American, anonymous or not.
*sigh*
I mean, afterall, it’s only a PRESIDENTIAL election.
if you give your fingerprint and your picture or your retinal scan or whatever to the elections board, there is no guarantee that it won’t end up with the FBI, the local police, the DHS, and everyone else who wants it
Just our president, who cares who gets in
hmm I thought that they changed webchat so that it grabs your real addy
hell you can’t evne fly on a plane without ID
and that that information won’t be combined with marketing databases, etcetera
so what?
ANd how is that going to harm your life?
you don’t have to have ID if you don’t want to, but be willing to suffer any consequences with that and don’t bitch about it.
You have something to hide?
it maybe getting it from the particular wifi router I am on with the laptop
how do you ID absentee ballots?
so not everyone trusts the government as much as you do.
What are they going to do that imposes on your life?
Everyone in the military or who has processed with the military at one point in time
do you use envelopes to mail your letters, or do you always write on post cards?
wolfy .. I see
Has EVERYTHING recorded
absentee ballots at least arrive at and return from your recorded address
We gave them the job of protecting us, I can’t see how that’d be a detriment.
the potential for abuse of that kind of thing is enormous.
Everyone in the USA is required to have an ID to get a application to vote, to prove they are legal. Used to be that way to even get registered
let us examine your intellectual honesty: do you also believe a citizen should be able to purchase a firearm without any photo id? i.e. enjoy the right to the Second Amendment.
