11.28.07
Id like to see no guns in the world but guess what theyre already here and not leaving So how does it make sense
well said
poof gone
Japan is not going nuclear
no one cares
i want an action he has been prevented from doing
atimes.com is an interestnig site.
RENUNCIATION OF WAR
i liked when Newt said the other day that North Korea was going to vaporize Seattle.
Article 9: Aspiring sincerely to an international peace based on justice and order, the Japanese people forever renounce war as a sovereign right of the nation and the threat or use of force as means of settling international disputes. 2) In order to accomplish the aim of the preceding paragraph, land, sea, and air forces, as well as other war potential, will never be maintained. The right of belligerency of the state will not be recognized.
ke6i, it will if NK does
CB Japan has had nuke capability for a while lol
Japanese Constitution
they just do not dare test
I believe they are some rich guys in Thailand.
DD…..moot point
fonebone` national, or domestic?
By that I mean if NK does seriously, right now NK is not considered a serious nuclear power we dont even know if they tested a nuke. but they are a very weak nuclear power if at all right now.
either is fine
80% of nuke tech is infrastructure…..
Cry, oh?
Japan has infra coming out of its ears
And if everything fails to get them to reverse themsleves, watch Japan become a nuclear power.
well, laws are changeable, and often do change as circumstances dictate
it only takes…one nuke
Japan is not going nuclear.
just one
part of me wants Japan Nuclear Part of me doesnt.
Not unless China sides with North Korea
DeDannan as long as Japan does not test anything..they have no nukes
well I have to go get busy in this house ttyl
ke6i, They are debating it in Japan right now.
Japan could build massive nukes.
i need to go workout
you missed a spot
A lot will depend on the next little while and what ends in NK.
jk.
Cya Comet!
a plane in a building is -NOTHING- it is chump change compared to a nuke ua plane in a building is -NOTHING- it is chump change compared to a nuke/u
yea, run your fat ass off! 
heh thats the point 6.5 mph today
I worked out what the equivelent yield of teh MOAB was.. it’s still nothing compared toa 1kton nuke
Nationally, Bush has been unable to show a united front globally. I would say the one policy for national foreign policy bush was not allowed to implement was his energy plan.
Japan is living in thel oophole of NPT. That you can enrich all the uranium and plutonium. But never go the final step.
ke6…..hehehe
There’s no point to Japan arming itself with nuclear weapons, other than its own national-militaristic ego.
Yeah the ‘black van’ guys want nukes, probably.
disbelief…that does not exist anymore…Japan makes too much money
For Japan, or Korea, to go properly militaristic, will happen after a coup first, I think.
Have you seen Tokyo lately? they are building right out into the bay
coup in Japan not likely
Sort of like Thailand
HAMILTON, Ohio (AP) — A city prosecutor was charged with indecency after a security camera caught him walking around naked in a government building after business hours.
disbelief, well that’s their business
bbiab second round of chores to do
ke6i, why does japan have all the plutonium they could ever need stockpiled ?
Coup in Japan is not likely now.
look at a satelite night time photo of Japan, the whole island glows
if nuclear is never an option
Japan has never explained why they need all that Plutonium. But like duh.
Lupine| haha
There is a reason they stockpile it and its in case they need to build a powerful detterant.
Lupine| no mention of party affiliation in the first paragraph, probably a Donkey
young grasshopper.. you see the pebble in the hand, but you can never grasp it
Japan doesn’t need a powerful deterrant in the form of nuclear weapons. it would only serve as impetus for China to arm itself even more.
Yeah Japan doesn’t need nukes. I agree.
damn it, that was twobars gaul stone!
Japan going nuke, just drives the Chinese into supporting North Korea
now we need a long beaked bird!
TomM?
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/Republican_Sex_Scandals
and the following link, Democrat Sex Scandals?
hardly a ringing endorsement for the seemingly implied holiness of Republicans we don’t need one, we have you to shout Donkey everytime
following link, Democrat Sex Scandals?
Imo, civilian government in South Korea would never support a war with the north. If Kim keeps making noise and they do nothing there could be a coup in South Korea. (This is more likely.) Then a war could come. But until then no war with north. Nothing happens.
DarthBurg, XS4-77 isn’t going to mention those
I have a valid reason for using that term.
I don’;t need to, since.. y’all are here, see.
yes, i see. hypocrit got it
I’m just saying, it’s on both sides
no, actually, its not.
No, you are highlighting ONE side
no, it’s not hypocritical to acknowledge failings on both sides.
media myth
yes, it is. no, reality; see the links on the site.
XS4-77, of course that would be dishonest, but that doens’t matter to you.
oh, i acknowledge the failings on both sides, my party just does not re elect them to multiple terms, hypocrit
what would be dishonesst? it doesn’t?
nope the DNC does.
XS4-77, not giving a democratic sex scandles link
I don’;t have one
Fair and Balanced means “Makes fun of all things Right Wing”
i love the defeated attitudes of american voters.. “both sides have failed us… so i’m going to keep voting for them..”
I am shocked
but my point is just to counter the one-sided Donkey mania you all bring
i’d kill for a charismatic independent candidate in 08′
Bullwinkle would never tolerate sex scandals in his administration
Libertine I love the defeated attitude of third parties, “We don;t need no steeenkin states”
no, it’s dishonest not to acknowlege both sides’ failings.
I am not dishonest. therefore….?
DarthBurg: we welcome another loss
I like the attitudes of the libertarian party… both sides suck… so we don’t need a viable candidate or platform… hey, why do even other 3rd party candidates kick our ass?
Libertine foolish
Bullwinkle would never tolerate dishonesty in his administration
as a libertarian, i’m used to losing, and being ignored by the mainstream. it’s second nature.
damn straight vote moose n squirrel
MOOSE AND SQUIRREL!!
Libertine and yet, you do nothing about it. amazing
Teenie Weanie CHilli Beanie….
DarthBurg: i stick to my principles.
Libertine as do I
DarthBurg: i will stay with my principles until the world realizes we’re right
Libertine I see. so how is remaining in political obscurity a principle, again?
Henry Clay said “I would rather be right than be President”
DarthBurg: yet you vote for people who don’t fully represent your principles; right? or am I wrong and you love the repub big government platform as of late?
he was neither
I for one embrace our new Korean speaking masters
Libertine the choices are limited, since third parties do not understand how the system works. not my fault.
pilgrim`: no, it’s .. “I for one welcome our new Korean speaking overlords.”
I like the system
the system works fine; the problem is inflation and its effect on bribery He stays bought
http://www.mininova.org/tor/450580 — PBS Frontline - 2006.10.10 - The Enemy Within (HDTV.SoS)
enemy within? but there is barely room for ME in here!
we can make room
1 part dramatic footage, 2 parts somber music, a jigger of serious soundign narator and a giant does of propaganda
of course…
bake in a producer’s office for 3 committee meetings and serve partially chilled
No Bias Here people who deny media bias I simply can not understand. all you have to do is LOOK
when I want serious profound documentary….I go to Youtube
heh
hah
when can we start tossing journalists into prison for long terms for fact checking errors? crickets
damn that First Admendment Amendment, even
I don’t think an error is criminal, duh that’s why they’re called. . errors.
lets toss them pesky weatherfolks in jail too! sumbiches cant get a forecast right to save their ornery hides!
yeah! bastards. There oughtta be a law, consarn it!
the blackie weather forceast is always right
blackie? that a racits w3rd!
it libral
guess there aren’t any family guy fans here
did you know that every member of the DNC gets a free Lil Black Sambo cookie jar
filled with oreos?
hah
lol!
DeDannan - what are your predictions for the november elections?
they’ll be over on November 8th
anyone remember how many troops we currently have deployed in Iraq & Afghanistan?
about 135k in Iraq less than 20k in Afghan
so all in all, like 10% of our collective military force no?
probably closer to 10k than 20
or actually less than
of the total number yes not sure what percentage of actual combat units that would be
debating one of these “we can’t do anything else b/c we don’t have any soldiers to spare” people, just like to be sure i’m not talking out of my ass
in terms of support personnel to every combat
Active Duty and Reserves Total Number of Women All Services 1.4 million 212,000
i was thinking 1.4 that means like what? 12.5% is actual combat personell personnel even
yep..could be lower these days as a lot of support services have been taken over by civilian contractors, for better or worse
seems like a lot of administrative overhead
Armies live and die by logistics
oi, finished eating w/ 30m to spare
food and mail… two greatest priorities in supply amazing really; up till Napolean, logistices in terms of everythign from food and suppleis to canon and siege machiens was handled byprivat contractor
GAZA (Reuters) - An Israeli missile hit the Gaza Strip home of a well known woman lawmaker from the governing Islamist group Hamas on Wednesday in what the army said was an attack on a weapons factory. how is this allowed isnt there anyone that can stop this kind of nonsense
td`: i had my eyes closed, sorry could you say that again?
td Peter Jenning’s old squeeze?
that’s how
ah right
this one i catch a lot of shit for here, but we do tend to give Israel pretty much Carte blanche to respond as they please
there was this gal why Jennings would interview as “average Pal on street back when. then she was interviewed as a “member of the Pal gubmint it was his mistress and he hlpped her up the ladder as it were
Jennings was married to a Pal
I know he liked the fruits of the gaza
This is disgusting, they attack the house of a palestinian administrator, and call it a weapons factory this is why things are so bad over there
td was it? I favor the Assyrian aproach to such issues
Best to launch a mission to land a craft on an asteroid with a propulsion system so we can fly it into the middle east and fix the problem forever…because…fighting will just go on there forever without taking it away like a toy from fighting 2 year olds hasn’t been fixed in 2000 years….. won’t ever be like a dog that bites…even though it’s cute and fuzzy…sometimes mean spirited things need to be put down…no matter how cute or nice they appear
last time an asteroid of any size hit the earth…sort of messed up the whole neighborhood for a few million years…
so, you advocate wiping out all 3 populations and calling it a day? is that your “plan”?
good riddance
well, you can calculate the mass and size and the target…and figure out what size you would need to destroy the entire area but cause no more prblems to the earth than a large volcano eruption
650 000 dead iraqis, interesting
yes…that’s the plan…it’s the only way not just Iraq…the whole middle east
a large volcano like the one that produced the “year without summer”, in 1811 or so?
1816
wotgorila is a nazi
Why do we need to lasso an asteroid? we could accomplish the same thing with some nuclear weapons.
probably wouldn’t be as bad
“well, you know if you let them all die, you won’t have to feed them anymore.” that was when i pretty much decided not to ever claim a party affliation
1816, sorry
sieg heil nazi bastards
it would only cost 500 million… weapons cost more…plus you can just blame it on Allah
let all who die?
the sally struther’s commericals were about the starving children in Africa
in a way, we’re enabling the North Koreans to keep spending all their money on weapons, because he knows that the rest of the world will feed his people if he won’t.
Act of God…who’s going to believe a conspiracy of control asteroids
you know, that place with mass genocide and stuff going on, that we really don’t give a flying f*ck about
ahhh, I see, a covert op
We’ll already landed a ship on an steroid, we just need to send one with a populsion and guidance system propulsion*
it’s like a large mass with 0 momentum. Resists moving in any direction at all. Resists doing anything at all. not just any propulsion system. We need some damn big engines to turn an asteroid.
not really, it’s space no resistance
doesn’t it still have momentum if it’s flying perpendicular to the target, we still have to stop the thing and turn it sideways
you can actually pull them with gravity field of another larger ship
right?
inertia
larger ship than an asteroid?
no you wouldn’t need a very large asteroid
you would need to nuke the asteroid, so it breaks up into much smaller chunks, which will completely burn up upon entry of Earth’s atmosphere.
depending on it’s density
what are we talking here? baseball sized? VW bug? house? mountain?
depending on it’s density? they’re basically all the same density
We wouldn’t want to break it up before it hits the middle east We wouldn’t want to break it up before it hits the middle east
we’re talking about a targeted strike with an asteroid. we don’t want it to completely burn up. we are discussing the feasability of destroying the Middle East with one (not that I support such an endeavor).
is this funny? like joking about 9/11 funny
if it’s big and not dense, or small and dense, the matter is still one of mass. We need one with a large enough mass to destroy the middle east. I’m no expert, but I’m going to guess that it’s got to be one with a lot of mass
ItsaSecrt, considering it would have to impact a fast moving target, the chances are slim
fast-moving target? earth?
http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/ you would be able to claculate the effects easy enough to pick out what size you need to completely wipe out the middle east without completely destroying the planet
the earth rotates at 14,000 MPH
lunar planetary lab? lol…been there actually
but a few years of cold summers is worth 2000 years of peace and save billions of lives in the long run
we’re talking about equipping it with a propulsion and guidance system. if we can land that brick of a vehicle called the space shuttle on a tiny airstrip, I’m sure we can hit an entire region with a rock.
WotGorila, might miss and hit Israel..
can we calculate one that will leave israel unscathed?
nah,..everything goes
well…that’s ok…the whole middle east has to go…they haven’t fixed the problem in 2000 years… they won’t ever I’m into direct solutions
maybe we could just hire Godzilla to go over there and stomp the bad people! yeah, thats the ticket!
preventing a large impact event, like the one that destroyed the dinosaurs, isn’t science fiction. It’s actually not much of a problem at all, humans are very capible of doing it. I don’t know of any reason why you’d need to land people on the object and drill holes, as hollywood presented in overdramatic films. The real reason it would be hard is detecting the damn thing in the first place
chrono
a single asteroid big enough to destroy the ME, would have dire consequences for the earth
nearly none of the sky is actually monitored, we could be just hours away from an impact that could destroy almost all surface life on earth and not even know it nobody would know it
I think the world would be better off if the meteor hit the usa instead
consequences for the PEOPLE on Earth.
nahh, check out http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/impacteffects/ you can take out a whole area that size without completely destroying the planet
the Earth is a big ball of rock, it’ll be fine
suna, PBS Nova scienceNOW - 2006.10.03 actually covered exactly that - “Scientists discuss the chances of Apophis, an asteroid detected in 2004, hitting Earth. They consider the consequences of such an impact, and how people might prevent or prepare for catastrophic damage from a powerful asteroid strike. “
doug okay, fine, for all life on earth,
the earth would be fine, nearly everything on it that we care about would be dead
suna, exactly
just means we have a longer snowmobile season… yeaaaa
for a few thousand years, anyway
or a few million years
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/sciencenow/3313/01.html
I would be more worried about Yellowstone blowing it’s top than an asteroid
it’d be interesting to see such an event, though if it happens I hpoe it does when i’m already old & dying…because very few people are gonna die when it happens the explosion itself is nothing it’ll be like a single large terrorist attack in terms of the number of people who die when it happens…not much else. Then suddenly nobody has any food….. and it gets really cold…
suna no more people than that would die in the initial explosion
it’d be a slow miserable decline of civilization, i imagine 1000x more people would be murdered within 1 year following the event than peole who were killed directly by it
suna half of the western US would be coevered in several feet of soot
doesn’t it vary a ton depending on the size / speed / angle of impact of the object?
the explosion it’s self in the past was equivilant to a large nuclear explosion but with more debrit
I’d like to think we could prevent such a catasrophy.
I doan know where I’ma gonna go when the volcano blow!
DeDannan hehe
Equador we could all become illegal mexican immigrants.
yes, suddenly africa and equator countries would have guards trying to keep peopl OUT 
think of two fat greasy sausages rolled around in an ash tray..
I live in the Adirondacks, I’m not worried about disasters too much
Lupine| do we really need to discuss your sex toys?
you’re taking a page from “The Day After Tomorrow”. Those countries aren’t organized enough to keep people out.
I hunt for most of our meat anyways
yes, but even if there was a large impact event….it’s extremely unlikely that it’d be a VERY large one, one that would actually kill a billion people the first day. A metorite the size of manhattan would kill a hell of a lot of people in nyc…..though I remind you that 70% of the world’s population is in asia. So, ya know….they’ll all die too, just later
well, if you wish to purchase them sight-un-scene..
We could demand that they teach English in Mexican schools, and hold protests in the streets with American Flags.
ItsaSecrt hehe yeah just a funny ItsaSecrt though Balize is (Belize?) and Egypt mayb 1 or to on africa’s west coast
let’s go live on the moon!
good idea, it was once part of the earth
a nice beach house on the moon!
Or underwater.
a city on the ocean seabed might survive an asteroid
while we’re on the topic of impossible shit
clearly terraforming mars is the only reasonable solution
and for that, we need a space elevator on earth and mars
what can / should the gov do to prevent school shootings? anything?
give everyone a gun teach everyone to shoot let everyone carry one everywhere less shootings will result
shoot everyone
DeDannan that too
then close the schools
soldiers at each entrance with metal and bomb detectors
have classes in the nude
four states (Alabama, Oregon, Utah, and New Hampshire) allow concealed carry in schools.
prevert
Itsasecret and how many shootings have they had? see the theory works, I don’t remember ever hearing about a school shooting in those states
DeDannan yeah, but c’mon wouldn’t girl’s gym be much more fun that way?
heh I hate clothes I wish I could be naked all the time
I agree with your theory. I just fought my university (University of Utah) to revoke their stupid gun ban policy.
me too
Rebec I wish i could wear acneient japanse clothes all the time.. mega comfy
KoBushi, especially on volleyball days
gun to university? lol
woah cool, your in logan
Kobushi lol…sports bras can be helpful though Itsasecrt the data supports the theory
Rebec pfft no need for sports… just fuckin
td`: Utah State University is in Logan, UT. University of Utah is in Salt Lake City, UT.
ah
Gym will be replaced with tantric education
Kobushi fucking….shit I don’t remember how do that anymore
Utah is talking about certifying teachers as some sort of semi-law-enforcement official
that’s okay tantra can be practiced alone ItsaSecrt that’s a dumb idea
kobushi but it’s less fun probably
tantra even what’s a dumb idea?
it is kinda crappy how if someone walked into a crowded university classroom with a gun…he could feel pretty confident that he was the only person with one;p
ItsaSecrt making teachers cops too
arming/training teachers?
don’t you have more important things to do at university than carry a gun? like read and play sports and stuff?
rumble and blow shit up!
they wouldn’t be full-blown cops. It’s more that they’d receive some training in how to handle school-violence situations. i can multi-task shooting is a sport
carrying a gun is a task? I see somebody was a C student
Itsascrt exactly lol it’s a sport
j/k
suna carrying a gun is always a task
Guns are just too quick…I prefer swords…ahhh gone are the days when armies rushed at each other and hundreds of thosuands lay dead and dying on the battlefield
ItsaSecrt humm I’m skeptical hat there are even any experts on how to handle school violence situations… let alone that teachers can learn these skills in a 2 week seminar :/
University of Utah Marksmanship Team is the only non-military-school team to ever win a national championship in the sport of pistol marksmanship.
kobushi I’d have to agree
no, getting legal permission to carry a gun is a task. Actually carrying it is ya know..like carrying a wallet…it’s just there and you don’t think about it until you need to pull ito ut
well… zero tolerance has certainly been a failure
Itsascrt lol cool
String too long suna!
fonebone yeah like the war on drugs and the war on poverty
but im sure the knee jerk reaction is gonna be to be even more intollerant
I agree with that, but I’d rather have them with some capability to handle things until the SWAT team shows up, rather than have no one with any clue what to do.
are you prepared to get shot when you have a gun?
next thing ya know they will be searching students for Gels and liquids
if a child sais “me and my father went shooting this weekend” that will probably be an immediate expulsion haha
ItsaSecrt hmm, I dunno
sort of like a first-aider kind of idea
wtf? am I prepared to get shot? what are you talking about?
ItsaSecrt teachers have too much authority over our children already imo
its pretty obvious what I’m talking about
exactly. Some first-responder training for school shooting situations.
they have the wrong kind of authority kobu
Itsasecrt don’t worry about him he’s canadian they are afraid of guns there
if you are carrying a gun are you ready to use it and be used against you? or are you just playing around and feeling good about yourself
what I don’t like about guns is how easy it makes it to kill people. There is a flaw in the classic right wing argument of “you can kill people with a pencil, wanna ban them too?”. The flaw is simple: it takes A HELL of a lot more balls to stick somebody in the neck with a pencil than it does to shoot them in the head from across the fucking room.
i unno about too much
do you mean am I properly protected in case I get shot? Do I have a bullet-proof vest? Am I willing to get shot? I have no clue what your statement was supposed to mean.
‘course the problem is that so many people don’t really know how to handle guns, particularly in the US
they cant tell children to sit down and shut up is the problem
however, banning guns is just stupid
guns are illegal in canada…that why they NEVER have gun violance
because criminals already have them
agreed.
I’d like to see no guns in the world, but guess what? they’re already here and not leaving. So, how does it make sense to pass laws such that only criminals get to have them and innocent people can’t defend themselves? stupid
people everywhere need more training. The US actually has more familiarity with firearms than most civilized countries.
over here in the UK, you need to go to a certain amount of effort to even buy a gun, so it tends to follow that if you have one, you know how to use it
suna the times I’ve seriously thought about killing people, it was always ging to be with a knife, not a gun
hmmm getting stabbed 50 times or a quick gunshot….I’ll take the gunshot
but, I’m a sick twisted bastard so, there ya go
i’m prepared to use it
familiarity yes, actual *ability* not so much
If I felt someone was threatening my life, I’d have very few qualms about shooting them true true
at least that’s my possibly not-totally-impartial view
Itsasecrt that makes sense
I’ld like to see no free speech in the world, but guess what? people are already used to talking, and are not leaving.
if you can go and buy a gun in the supermarket next to the el-cheapo microwaves and DVD players then yeah sure you’re going to be more familiar with them wider ownership and all
i have extensive training and experience in the use of my firearm.
*but* I suspect that a lot of people have unrealistic expectations of what they can and can’t do with, say, a handgun yeah, but that’s *you*
I know, we talked about that before. but itsasecret wants to carry it at school
true… a lot of people think its easy to hit someone at 25 yards with a handgun btrue… a lot of people think its easy to hit someone at 25 yards with a handgun/b
how long would it take you to teach the average grade school teacher what you know?
no.. a citizen of a nation of riflemen
when its kinda a bit ch
cool I just got a spam in Cambodian
fonebone`: or indeed, a mugger has a gun pointed at them and they think they will quick-draw their gun and shoot the guy it happens in movies so it must be true, right?
heh… but i could shoot that fucker in the back as he runs away gordon
um, it happens in real life as well.
how often, though?
gordonjcp action is faster than reaction
realistically, how many people - what percentage of gun owners - do you think could do that?
I lost ~1/8″ off my pinky. He lost substantial organ functions
damn sure I couldn’t
once was enough. I am here today typing
that’s less the point.. the question is.. how many times would that happen, if the average joe was properly trained to handle it?
gordonjcp a high % I’d say, most muggers are not mentally prepaired to pull the trigger right away… the ons that ARE, usually shoot within the first 3 seconds anyway
fair point
Lupien the average Joe is just cattle. not enough backbone to save his own life.
not to mention that you shouldn’t let anyone get near enough to you without you having a hand on your weapon
Most muggers/etc don’t wnat to shoot you, they want your wallet/car/etc
Nazis proved that and most of Europe still believes it
yep
I still have serious doubts that yer average Joe with a gun pointed at them could competently draw, aim and fire, and not end up hitting some random bystander
so you walk around new york with your hand on your gun all the time cybeR? youd look kinda funny hahaha
gordonjcp true, accuracy is a big question
i don’t live in new york so yes
the “solution” is not to arm anyone who doesn’t wish to be armed. It is to allow those people who wish to be a more responsible member of society, enjoy his basic human rights.
fuck ‘em, mugger/carjacker can *have* the damn car for all the good it will do them, they’ll switch it off and then it won’t restart, then they’re fucked
The thing is, it’s not worth risking your life. Just give em the cash and they run off, and let the cops find them
well yeah, I mean that’s what insurance is for
atleast be in a position where your weapon is extreamly easy to withdraw
if it were always that simple.
gordon do you know what Weaver stance is? tigger control? site picture? I was once trained, not by the military and not by..well not by a police department, yet I did take this training. I know that when it was needed, that trainign WORKED
OldSchool I don’t intend to ever wait long enough to hear what it is they want from me
i gladly handed over my wallet, as he had the jump on me. but once I knew he was going to kill me anyways…
pilgrim`: no, I don’t, that’s exactly my point
weaver/iso isn’t always a good choice at point blank range
gordon so…the POINT then is that if YOU do not have the training, like say trainign with a car, then NO ONE shoudl drive? bgordon so…the POINT then is that if YOU do not have the training, like say trainign with a car, then NO ONE shoudl drive?/b
in fact, that is what my assailant did wrong… sticking his pistol in my face.
pilgrim`: no, not at all
pilgrim` I agree that people w/o training shouldn’t drive
Lupine then, there, it was. Poersonally I prefer an adapted weaver
pilgrim`: what I’m saying is that people without the training shouldn’t have the damn weapon
i think training should be in every highschool civic’s class.
KoBushi Americans used to gain firearm trainign as a natural part of growing up. I got some that way
yea no kidding.. a nation of riflemen
well I think Sweden has that
I see what you are saying, and it could be a good idea
gordonmy atitude is simple:gun contorl is absolutely fine by me; I have mine
but I don’t think everybody who would carry a gun would be responsible with it. look at all the drunk drivers, for example
i think all students should have to work in some manner for say, the final summer before they graduate. they need not be in the military.. some type of service.
make it an offence to carry a gun while drunk?
break the law
pilgrim`: well that’s a very IU
it is really that simple
bah, misfire
IU?
pilgrim`: well that’s a very UKian attitude you sure you’re not one of ours?
that would be hard to enforce I think
gordon I know. most there are armed…till the bobbie calls
yup
pilgrim`: 
sssh
its common knowledge here also, you have no death peanalty, yet the real scum tend to have “accidents”
pilgrim`: oh yeah well not even accidents
I know
Someone asked earlier sorry I was away, we have 20k in Afghanistan. (US soilders)
resisting arrest happens often
12k under Nato Command, 8k under US command
just that they get put on “suicide watch”, and one day a guard is just a little too busy at the right time… pilgrim`: know what I mean?
As of Oct 1st
American al Qaeda spokesman Adam Yahiye Gadahn will face treason charges, federal sources told CNN today. The 28-year-old California native who has appeared in five al Qaeda videos will also be charged with offering material support for terrorism. Gadahn, known as “Azzam the American,” will be the first U.S. citizen to be charged with treason in more than 50 years. damn, i hope he HANGS
PLANE CRASH IN MANHATTAN MSNBC
gordon yep. I prefer a different system: like shoot the scum outright oh damn big?
Oops, terribly sorry, how awful, I cocked up and missed that one, must have an inquest
nay idea on type?
Actually after oct1st US come under Nato Command 12k, and 8k us command
CNN is reporting it
data what? airliner?
small plane crsahes into building in NYC
which turns into These things happen, not really your fault, could have happened to anybody, what a pity, never mind
according to CNN
accident or????
no idea..
Wow, they will actually charge treason ? Wow. Cool but thats well as you said, 50 years.
freeTra5w?
nothing on news.bbc.co.uk yet
what’s that
they are saying it looks to be an accident pilgrim its foggy
2 helicopters flying over it
FreeTra5w is it code?
911 was a accidnet for the 1st one
yea, i thought that was all smoke
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those are some expensive condos going up in flames right now
Another plane crashes into another building in Manhattan. Ho hum.
upper east side of NYC, apartment building
a helicopter IS an aircraft haha
“Believed to be a helicopter which crashed into building”
she said “either a small helicopter or an aircraft crashed into a high rise in new york city”
foxnews has the best video
i dont even know what channel foxnews is
looks like ~2 stories a good um.. 20 floors up on fire
Not a good day to be in a helo on the east coast.
maybe 3 apartments wide worth on fire
i only know cnn because i test my cable with it
Saw a helo that crashed in the water off Clorida earlier.
earlier?
ahh i see
in Yorkville, right next to FDR highway
wheres the chopper
Clorida = Florida (with a lot of Chlorine)
injuries.. you dont survive a chopper crash into a 20 story building
yea, that’s weird..
chopper must be on the ground
fonebone; The one in the water or the one on the sidewalk?
looks like no structual/impact damage to the building
nah.. it looks like somethin hit it lupe kinda below the fire
Structural doesn’t matter. It’s fire and heat damage you have to worry about. Did 9/11 tetach you nothing?
it’s all blackened
all it would have to do is just catch the blades on the building
