11.28.07
would you accept a scientific study of a new medication that wasnt compared to nothing and other similar medications
perhaps you could become famouse by making three word poems, or large acrylic canvas paintings. in primary colors and stuff
what?
or maybe a football coach in iceland
wow, really ?
i am trying to mentor you
i’ve never heard a 3 word poem got any?
to see if interests outside of #politics would be attractive
its rhyme time
you can man
i have a one word poen. lighght get it? it wond some awards i love that poem
don’t get it yet
hahaha
the gh is silent like light lite or whatever
ah
hafta get my dinonuggets
never cared to much for poetry
http://www.fsis.usda.gov/Science/Beef_Produced_by_AMR_Systems/index.asp scary stuff basically we probably all have mad cow
im denny crane!
AND, i’m not even sure stem cells would ever be of any use since its a prion oh wow just found a sweet tangent
stem cell research is phoney. imo
CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (January 30, 2006) . What do mad cow disease and stem cell research have in common? Whitehead Institute scientists have found that the same protein that causes neurodegenerative conditions such as bovine spongiform encephalopathy (mad cow disease) is also important for helping certain adult stem cells maintain themselves. For over ten years, researchers have known that a protein called PrP causes mad cow disease and its human equivalent, Creutzfeld-Jakob disease. PrP is a prion, a class of proteins that has the unusual ability to recruit other proteins to change their shape (PrP is shorthand for “prion protein”). This is significant, because a protein’s form determines its function. When a prion changes shape, or “misfolds,” it creates a cascade where neighboring proteins conformation
which idiot thought embyom stem cells might work, thats what i want to know
…
key word *adult*( stem cells
Chengcheng Zhang, a postdoctoral researcher in the lab of Harvey Lodish, was studying hematopoietic (blood forming) stem cells in mouse fetal tissue when he discovered that PrP was expressed abundantly on the surfaces of these stem cells. “I found that while not all blood cells with PrP on their surface were stem cells, any cell that lacked PrP was definitely not a stem cell,” says Zhang. that doesnt preclude researching embryonic stem cells
what is wrong with stem cell research again
oh some people think that its murder
it does. embryonic stem cells are making tumors, mostly
great
asult stem cells are more easily specialized
we can learn a lot from things that make tumors
some people think stem cells are the answer to every cure. which stupid
so what, screw your cure, its about learning
what is wrong is that people are politicizing it, saying opponents of *fetal* stem cell esearch are trying tostop scientists from progress.
hey doc. my ass is to fat. give me some stem celss
what we dont know about human physiology we should wait a second who wants to use fetal stem cells ?
tortus because it is against religion???
the debate is abotu fetal stem cells
what about embryonic stem cells ?
research on adutl stem cells has never been challenged
no issue with embryonic stem cells right ?
embryonic i made a big phat mistake when i said fetal so you can shoot my ass now
there are actually all three
(_|_)
adult, fetal, embryonic i
embryonic stem cells is useless as far as im concerned.
well, the debate ismore about embryonic
i’m not so much for fetal stem cell research i distingush between a fetus and an embryo there is a threshold
the embryonic stem cells, you have to sdestroy the embryo to get them that is the issue not so with fetal or adult so don’t try to slide off this debate it is about the embryos
If fetal stem cells are obtained from miscarried or stillborn fetuses, thats cool sok so have to destroy an embryo but what exactly is an embryo to you ? its not the same as me
are you nuts?
i mean its hard for me to think of it ever being in the terms of me like a fetus requires a womb right
i hear core blood works in soe cases
not so with the embryo
so does an embryo
you sure ?
yes, an embryo requires a womb
to make a baby yah
you can put an embryo in a test tube , but that means nothing
but like isn’t an embryo hours after fertilization
that is not natural and stop condescending to me
you stop that means everything
i took chemical biology for nurses
we are talking about embryos in a test tube
i am not an idiot\my nmother was an rn i have many firends who are in the medical profession i married a freakin doctor i am not igno9rant so dont condescend
so what, me too, your point ? please point out how i gave that affect and i’ll be happy to modify my mode
hehe
in vitro yah thats it
what kind of doctor. tortus?
in vitro embryonic stem cell research, whats wrong with that ?
be nice to the lady, aye
i don’t remeber how to paste here
i dont how to paste either.
well, he was a podiatrist. but still,
excellent
hehe
on my apple i can. but not on a pc
pasting is for the elite
thanks publius
(left mouse click and hold, drag to select) ctrl+c to copy, ctrl+v to paste
These are usually debates that never go anywhere
dehuman dang you said something helpgul
rly? lol
cause nothing is wrong with in vitro embryonic stem cell research, i think we can all agree upon that.
i cant agree
you are for wasting left over embryos ? are you opposed to people donating their organs after they die ?
no i can’t agree on that most people dont have left over embryos
sure there are some left over embryos lets suppose there are, i’m pretty sure there are
whole there *are some*, most people dont have left over embryos
why waste them?
condescending ass adopt them somebody made them they should be made to adopt them out
you dont get it, they have no mother
Or … make a commercial out of them: “Got Embryos?”
you have to grow them in a womb first
i get it, they have a mother and a father
someone has to donate a womb
you have to adopt them out
no no, they were made in vitro
w3ho is not getting it here?
in a tube gotta put em in a womb else cant have human
no, they were made when the cells were removed fromt he human being unnaturally
i mean unless you wanna get real freak and put em in a pig womb or something
right, they beong in the womb where they were removed from and shit
so people that are infertile aren’t allowed to have babies ? no no
lol
in vitro not in utero
that is a straw man and you knwow it
well you are saying adopt them out so you are missing a big thing there is no Them yet, not in a way that can be adopted
like a library card
then you say well you shouldn’t take them out of the womb in the first place but thats not an option as thats how it was done, in vitro
it sin’t like once you have an embryo you have to put it in a pig, and there is no other option. first, you can not make the embryo outside of the womb. second, if yo make an embryo, you can implant them all ina womb of the mother, third, if wshe doesn[’t like having 12-16 mbryos in her womb, she can elect to not permit a psycho doctor to do that to her.
so it comes time to put some back in the womb and maybe she had a buncha embryos but doesn’t want 4 kids
gah
and says ‘i dont want these, use them for science’ or whatever you have these embryos, that are in vitro, what do you do with them ? can i ask that
i dont believe in altered science.
ignoring anything else, i just want to know how you deal with that dilemna
do you care for an answer or are you just designing your point
no seriously answer
thats like a woman sellig her eggs
ok so you think we got an embryo farm going on now and i gotta say i dont like that
if the mother and the doctor both know that the procedure wil produce 16 embryos, they should consider beforehand what to do with all those embryos. i don’t thinkthe pig solution you so thoughtfully presented is the only option.
so what if we dont have an embryo farm suppose there are these rumored surplus embryos
the embryos are not rumored. there are thousands of them already
i dunno, the pig solution is pretty sweet, i mean pigs are kinda similar internally to people, it wasn’t a bad thing
sigh
well ok lets be fair, lets offer them up, lottery them off
no, it was not sweet, and not funny, given the fact that you are debating this controversy with people who obviously think the embryos deserve protections that any human being should get. ass
making coffee. I really cant debate this topic
listen the problem is this
dude
you fail to see the difference
i r a dickhead
all humans were at one time embryos
thats the problem heh
but not all embryos will be humans
u LOL
all embryos are potential human beings. that is the point
.
you cannot deny it that is the fact
no
yes
not *all* embryos have the potential to be human
tortus you have impressive patience
yes yes they do
in vitro embryos with no surragate womb have no potential to be human period.
heh
publius. i have turned more than one person from this irrational position. over the years
I don’t see what difference it makes … potential is just potential
ocdoc is not one of themn
Capable of being but not yet in existence; latent: a potential problem not all embryos are capable of being human that is
tortus my commendments…i get too mad at a certain point lol
because they require a womb to do so so not all embryos have potential
it’s irrelevant
wtf is wrong with people.. who in their right mind wants to use electronic voting machines to begin with i have no idea how its gotten this far
man i’ve had a vision of eggs sunny side up cooking for like an hour
bleh
burning in my brain
most peole who have thought this through agree that after conception, the lifeform is a human being. it is a separate individual with the potential to grow to be an adult, as any 3 yr old, 6 yr old, or 23 yr old is.
all this talk of potential
any method for voting that is highly accurate and difficult to tamper with fraudulently is okay with me
i just keep seeing potential mechanically separated chicken
i dont think its difficult to tamper with at all
What’s wrong with electronic voting?
anyone who knows anything about programming computers knows that
hahaha dklassify
They would most likely be on a secured line
secured by whom?
it doesn’t matter to me whether you define them as human beings or potential human beings or just cells with potential
Secured by whoever they’re contracted with
and you trust them?
yes i know.
there is no perfect voting system so I don’t care
‘them’
go back to bed
all I want is a paper trail
You can doubt the company that is fine, but don’t doubt the machine
I doubt both
if someone gave me a nasa.gov account they hacked into, what will make electronic voting secure?
the fact that you say ‘they would most likely be’ indicates you dont really know anything about electronic voting implementation today
yeah really
if the banking system can be made secure enough for my money to be safe enough, then the voting system can also be made safe enough
not to be mean, contrary, just to suggest you should probably read about it, the info is out there
in fact, an electronic voting system is better
apples to oranges
Go be a dick somewhere else
what?
Nobody cares to listen to some elitest rattle off what they [know] about XYZ
cause you dont know what you are talking about i’m a dick ?
let’s design a better social system
No, because you’re just an elitest dick (;
no security is security
since you just say ‘whats wrong with electronic voting? ah DUH?!? puzzlement’
dehuman isnt being a dick, you’re just a little ignorant thats all dk now thats being a dick
electronic voting is fine, but it should print out a record of all ballots cast, and the results should be checked with the printed record
go ahead … let us know when you’re done
I heard your recent conversation with tortus
some of these people are going on scrictly electronic voting which is scary
You more then enough proved you are indeed a dick
for both fairness and efficiency
if you think otherwise, then you have not read about the abuses already having occured occurred
‘i suppose they’d be on a secure line’, like electronic voting is something to be pondered about its real it happens
who’s against a paper trail?
you can read the details
dk
hissssss
lots of districts dont require them http://arstechnica.com/articles/culture/evoting.ars that is a good read
the fact of the matter is they found a number of instances where machines were not secured in their remote access capabilities
if i wanted to be a dick id point out your bad grammar
in some instances connected wirelessly, other instances accepting incoming calls
okay … I get a paper trail when I buy something on line or bank … if local officials don’t think they need them, that’s between them and their voters
and thats just the start
what is that? lol
the current system is less secure already so what’s your beef?
What if I told you that it would take only one personone highly motivated, but only moderately skilled bad apple, with either authorized or unauthorized access to the right company’s internal computer networkto steal a statewide election? You might think I was crazy, or alarmist, or just talking about something that’s only a remote, highly theoretical possibility.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_economics
So what if I told you that one highly motivated and moderately skilled bad apple could cause hundreds of millions of dollars in damage to America’s private sector by unleashing a Windows virus from the safety of his parents’ basement, and that many of the victims in the attack would never know that they’d been compromised? Before the rise of the Internet, this scenario also might’ve been considered alarmist folly by most, but now we kn bSo what if I told you that one highly motivated and moderately skilled bad apple could cause hundreds of millions of dollars in damage to America’s private sector by unleashing a Windows virus from the safety of his parents’ basement, and that many of the victims in the attack would never know that they’d been compromised? Before the rise of the Internet, this scenario also might’ve been considered alarmist folly by most, but now we kn/b
Anyone thinking they’re going to get a 100% flawless voting method is just crazy
the current paper ballot is already subject to more real fraud and error than any conceivable electronic system would be
read above please
these are leftover from the 3 yr old last week
Do you trust the people looking over voting methods now? How about during the last 2 major elections
ahh
butno bad. not bad as the captain crunch
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/
i’ve never eaten pineapple eaither lol
go read there
Thanks to the recent and rapid adoption of direct-recording electronic (DRE) voting machines in states and counties across America, the two scenarios that I just outlined have now become siblings (perhaps even fraternal twins) in the same large, unhappy family of information security (infosec) challenges.
wai
the difference is, all it takes is ONE individual to do this
i have once….or twice..at the japanese steakhouse
one single person
You’re paranoid
DKLassify: read the link it shows you step by step how an election can be stolen TODAY
You don’t think they already know what you are reading?
they who is they
THEM
elections are being stolen today … so what’s your point? how would electronic voting be worse?
oh i see OcDoc
tjhat site sucks
good logic you got there its already happening, so why are you complaining brilliant.
and your answer is?
Democrats had dead people registered to vote in states
my answer is this makes it worse can you read have you seen or comprehended anything ive written?
apathy has stricken him fordnut there is nothing you can do for him now
all systems have the potential for fraud and error … it’s a statistical question … how likely is it to happen?
bralallala
it happens
how often do banking and electronic systems get hijacked indetectably recently?
I have to agree with OcDoc, I don’t see how it could make it any worse than it already is
in ohio it happenned big in 2004
DAILY
i mean not in a way that effected the outcome
I think they have the reliability out to five decimal points now
you think the banking system is secure?? LOL
haha
a) they dont report crime
some outcomes for local stuff it reall skewed
its bad publicity no one banks with someone who gets hacked
by how they cheated
b) when they do find it, they rarely prosecute, as prosecution would make it a public matter
If there is a source in data communications which can make them safter, there will always be someone else who within days can break into that very source It’ll always be that way
i did a master’s project on banking security.. its gotten better recently, but theyve lost MILLIONS and continue to do so
someone broke in the ralphs grocery database and they are stealing personal info. nothig is secure
you think the technology is the only part of it?
that doesn’t change any of the things I said … find me a hundred people who have lost significant amounts of money through the electronic banking and purchase system
you dont think people can be snookered into releasing passwords? or giving up files? you’re delusional.
then translate that into the potential for a fraudulent election
a hundred people? how about a million
Of course, there will always be stupid people
look up indentity theft OcDoc i feel like im debating a child here
well, start with me … I have never lost a single penny through electronic banking
oh God
There will always be people that fall for phishing
ok so because you havent no one else has more brilliant logic
my son had his b of a account nabbed last month
there is always a first time fordnut
no, all you’re doing is talking down to me without giving the examples I asked for … I want evidence not just paranoia
i apologize for talking down to you
Maybe the country isn’t ready for that method of voting, but it will eventually become standard (at least at some point in time)
i let my frustration get to me sometimes without noticing it
I already admitted the potential was there and pointed out that the reliability is five decimal places statistically
i respectfully disagree with you
ouchie
and think there is plenty of evidence to suggest the contrary a simple google query will provide what you are looking for
fordnut is a southern gentleman
gives fordnut a valium for his furstration
and then the next step is, how is that worse than getting held up at gunpoint and the cash taken from you by a robber?
on that note, ill let this kick in and take me off to sleep this makes it easier than that
where the fuck did you pull that 5 decimal place stat out ?
no guns or brazen hold ups required
see how the id theft and bank fraud is compared with robbery , as a distraction
all thats needed is a computer and a keyboard
you mean that 99.9999% of the time there is no error ? 6 fucking nines ?
fordnut is a bit too harsh to represent the true grace of a southern gentleman hehehe
that’s not the question … it almost exactly parallels the voting question
night all
night
night for m too
im out. nice chat. good seeing you nathan
night tortus, print lol
no, decimal places, not your number
wth alll at once
wtf does that mean ?
You must have farted .. ;p
five nines after the decimal
*weeps*
it was not intended as a distraction … we’re talking real world here
long gone Doc hehe
robberies, thefts and fraudulent elections are already happening in the real world oh, yeah the point’s still the same if anyone is still interested
so .99999 what ? i mean a number on its own is worthless
yes
explain what that number represents
percent errors or you could say 99.999 percent accuracy
so aren’t you looking for 99.999 ok and where did you source this figure
if you put the percent after it yes that’s the accuracy most electronic banking systems report having achieved with a goal of six nines
the margin for voting machine error is .001% ok so electronic banking and voting are conceptually similar
error, but potential for fraud is something different … a different kind of problem
but in practice they are worlds apart
correct security of the overall system is one concept … accuracy for ordinary transactions is a different one
hmm
i mean you are talking about regulation and industry specific knowledge - basically different people yah yah but i think a lot of that accuracy comes from process
and different physical problem too
well defined processes and super planning
accuracy is a solved problem … electronic voting would be much more accurate than paper
right but i dispute that starting out that kind of accuracy is not obtainable with regards to voting
security of the electronic system is a different problem and has to be compared with paper ballots, security of the ballot boxes, boxes overlooked in courthouse basements etc etc
it could be, but thats kind of an administrative thing and complicated by the vendor contractor relationship so i dunno sure, lets say with regards to all transactions going accordingly and fraud being at 0 they are 99.999% accurate
I agree … so you have to show how electronic systems are more vulnerable than hundreds of thousands of locked cans with millions of paper ballots
because tampering is so discrete its voodoo its not transparent the software and system for tabulating the votes has numerous holes its not just that tampering is easy its that you might not even know the fix was in
every time an election is very close, someone demands a recount … compare the results from one count with another and tell me it’s more accurate
error is one thing people make mistakes hell hardware will die, votes will be lots whatever we are talking about fraud prevention and in current implementation as reviewed by leading security researchers the electronic voting machines in use are not up to snuff
right … but the question is, how much worse is electronic voting compared to the current paper system? if you can’t answer that, you have no evidence that we shouldn’t try it
its worse for the reasons i just outlined presently the vendors suck and their solutions are insecure alarmingly so
then fix the systems and get different vendors … what’s so difficult about that?
oh i like electronic voting
in the current state of public affairs, I care a lot less about who wins a particular election than how secure my money is
just not right now
there’s no better time than right now … it will never happen at all if you don’t start somewhere electronic banking systems started somewhere worse than where they are now and I don’t recall hearing of any big disasters
Besides, no matter what happens if Democrats lose, they’ll [always] claim someone hacked into the voting machines (;
listen, i’m voting for everyone this election
right now our voting system SUCKS and you’re going to have to go a lot further to prove to me that even a potentially flawed electronic system would be worse
listen there is an electronic voting system where i live it does suck yes
hello, dehuman … I’m listening
it is flawed in reality its potentially worse because any errors it makes are known only to it
then fix it
ok well see
once a paper ballot is in the can, it can’t be traced either
i’m not in the business of awarding government contracts
well make your election officials fix it sheesh … there’s no magic here
i think that debate is presently underway thats right, its not magic
widespread fraud in King County WA last time around led to officials being canned
its bureaucracy this happen, just at a snails pace actually buereacracy isn’t bad by itself
as we’ve already seen, the difference between a Democrat winning and a Republican winning isn’t detectable either
politics are whats bad actually there was a study of all kinds of irregularities in ohio interesting how they can tell when a precint was switched when all gore votes turn to bush
heh … my clock just rolled back one hour!
but also making all pro gay marriage ban votes anti gay marriage ban votes so like republicans voting for gay marriage and democrats voting against gay marriage and other things too crazy stuff
and exactly how do you feel this has harmed life in america so far? compared to my bank account being cleaned out electronically?
i fail to see the merit of comparison
then we have nothing to discuss
ocdoc affirmative
would you accept a scientific study of a new medication that wasn’t compared to “nothing” and “other similar” medications for safety and effectiveness?
no
therefore the value of comparisons at least in the real world
thats not what was being compared what was being compared is the potential harm of bad elections
I’m talking about relative values … what’s the likelihood of real harm in the real world
versus your bank account being cleaned out
okay, so what is riskier … the chance of being struck by lighting or the chance of dying in a car wreck?
ok so north korea has a nuke, but whats the likelihood of real harm in the real world ?
exactly
alright fine i’ll go with that i mean i personally dont care on either account apathy but whatever, i was feigning concern or interest or someting
well, that’s what we’re talking about … making a big expensive fuss about a new voting system that is probably safer and more accurate than the current one, which makes little difference if it turns out not to be so compared to similar banking systems that would be a disaster for me if they’re not secure and accurate
yah your right, if they cheat then they’ve been cheating and who cares and you’re right again
but that are already in place
my bank being fucked up would seriously make me kill
yup
we get a dictator that steals office…. eh i’ll get used to it
well, no … that would be bad … but how LIKELY is it that a new voting system would deliver a dictator that the current system would not
well i just like to prepare myself for the worst case scenario
I say it’s extremely unlikely .. .the more likely outcome would be a bad democrat instead of a less crooked Republican … or vice versa
if its doable, then screw everything else oh who cares then more of the same
exactly
listen
what I mean is, it matters what the different outcomes would lead to
i’m a sheeple
it’s hard for me to see what difference the Democrat governor of Washington is making compared to the Republican who won the initial vote tally, but lost the recounts
career politicians man do they ever campaign too bad thats where skillset ends
skillset doesn’t end there … they work long hours in Congress to pass legislation and make porkbarrel deals I wish they didn’t work so hard … we could use a lot less pork and fewer laws IMHO heh …. IRC slut “will suck your dick for online access time”
They only work hard to pass something that will help get them elected again Politicians really have a disgusting way about them now-a-days
nevertheless, it’s not like they just cruise after they get there … follow your congress critter around for a day sometime and see what they have to do
The only one I would fallow around would be Allen
they actually enjoy having … what’s the word … people from their district?
I can’t stand Cantor, I can’t stand Warner either
constituents I used to run the program to introduce young leaders to the Texas Legislature
I actually believe Allen isn’t a foney, or at least a complete foney I believe Web is nothing but
unfortunately, very few of them are real phonies many of them are whores after their first session, once they realize that they have to go along to get along
Perhaps
the party wins out over all other considerations eventually
I am interested about Scott’s mom running in TX
then the wheeling and dealing kicks in and they like the process for its own sake many times
I actually liked him as Press Secy.
I’ve been out of Texas politics for quite a while
I believe she is running as an Independant
i would vote for george allen
Me too The whole situation about the racial slang thing is pretty much BS
my ballot is sitting right here next to my heart … guess I’m going to have to vote tomorrow and send it in
Most all of his core voters already saw that anyways
is he the one who had dixie flags in high school?
Could be, I dunno’ I have heard many things The main thing was that indian kid
Alabama?
No VA
okay … can’t remember any more
Since then, democrats have been trying to throw anything to the wall they can get to stick against him besides actual issues They know on issues, towards VA he’s pretty solid And the voters like him
I said and did some stupid things in High School that I wouldn’t thing were fair to bring up now thirty five years later guess that wasn’t allen the guy I’m thinking of was accused of being a racist in high school and wearing a confederate flag lapel pin
He was the one that called that indian kid a macaca I guess he must of got meanings mixed up or something
maybe that is the guy I’m thinking of … Virginia then, not Alabama
I forget what speech he was at when he did it He just got word meanings mixed up, and ever since democrats have been on the ball trying to peg him as a horrible racist that hates everyone cept’ whitey
no doubt
He’s actually a decent man, and far from one racist, that is a lot of people around here know em A lot of [old money] in Richmond
what part of VA do you live in?
Richmond
my sis used to leave in Richmond until they bought an historic farmhouse near Leesburg live we had dinner in an old cotton warehouse in old town
James Webb is a sexist bastard
they lived on the river near a big bridge
I’ve heard I dunno if all the stuff they say is true or not It actually wasn’t a muddy campaign for either until the macaca thing
one of my good friends condemned James Webb to hell !
I guess Web got the order from the democrats to make a charge
it must not have worked
Since then, it’s been knee deep mud
knee deep in the big muddy
I don’t blame Allen though, with someone trying to peg me as a racist I would fire back pretty hard too
it all comes back to the voters and what they expect
Yea I think in the end VA will keep Allen in
candidates do what the voters respond to … they do what works and it’s the voters that make that call, ultimately
unfortunately, Warner aint goin anywhere either =\
there are very few “safe” districts any more
I actually wish Warner would retire I don’t like him
gerrymandering leads to very even districts
It’s time for new blood But, nobody ever challenges him
the odds are agin you why don’t you challenge him?
lol I don’t do politics
I think you’re on the wrong channel then!
lol
I could replace Warner but I’m in the Neighbouring State
I just bitch about em like everyone else does
seriously, if you’re right that it’s time for new blood, why not? if you’re wrong, what’s the worst that can happen?
and too young
I’ve lost elections several times … it was fun every time
5children shall not play here!
when I finally won one and had to serve, that was hard
What is funny is you’ll win a big one And we can help you make policy
sorry?
So when ppl ask, you can just say .. well, my advisors are on IRC
oh … cool
;p
too late this time around, but go for it next time … you have to start now
I’ll watch CSPAN (which I can’t stand) just to hear them say Sen. OcDoc
heh … not me, been there, done that, paid my dues when I die they can say “good citizen, paid his dues, paid his taxes, served in the army, ran for public office, served on the school board”
You have to make Op on #politics! ;p~
been there too
Your career is not complete until then!
you should look into running … you won’t regret it
lol naaah, no thanks
if they think you have no chance of winning then it will be a clean campaign, you’ll either win the primary or lose
;p~ I am happy without having politics as a responsibility
it’s addicting it starts when you become a precinct captain … I used to be an op in here
Then your career is complete!
that’s what I told you …
Senator OcDoc Obama
heh
lol
now I’m just a simple country doctor
i’ve been a op before
I got elected to the school board by people trying to get rid of the incumbent who was trying to introduce prayer into the schools got 66 percent of the vote one of the union stewards at work came to my office one day and asked if I’d be interested in running, I had three daughters in high school that year he was already on the school board and said it was getting very controversial and disruptive of the meetings I learned more about the public education system in America than I wanted to know unfunded federal mandates … ouch we spent more on “mainstreaming” ten severely mentally handicapped children than we did on the entire fine arts program for the whole district we spent more on the football stadium than we did on the computer upgrade for the science and math departments and this was a wealthy, high quality school district the final straw for me was when I was the only board member to vote against barring a straight-A student from participating with his debate team at the state finals because he failed his canoe paddling test man, was I pissed off … I had to resign or have a stroke … fortunately my three year term had already expired at that point
Wow, you know I never notice some of the other changes to Linux distributors around me over the last year or so Like I never knew SuSE apparently was bought/purchased/partnered with NOVELL
but I guess looking back it felt good to hand my resignation to those smug, self-satisfied rubber-stampers okay … g’night folks
nite Damn, I remember when SuSE was by itself
hello
Senator OcDoc Obama
did steve irwin fake his death?
can you fucking take a joke for once in your life !
i was just thinking about steve irwin’s death … something doesn’t seem right about the entire scenario
It’s a conspiracy
Maybe you’re still asleep And dreaming you’re on IRC when really, you’re in your bed having a wet dream about Janet Reno
not likely … firstly, stingrays don’t kill people and are supposed to believe that irwin, the guy who wrestled crocodiles and held the most deadly snakes, died from this?
Nobody really cares if you believe it or not Go away
do you know how ironically many people like that actually die
secondly, the secret funeral. we only found out about it after the fact. that is strange
The person is a real expert at something, but dies or fails miserably at something that is not a challenge even to a novice.
I guess it could be worse, he could be a 9-11 conspiracy nut
thirdly, where is his body? terri wouldn’t say, and indeed said the reason was that “this is steve directed me to do”
jewsdidirwin
So, you were just laying down and thought; “Hey, did he REALLY die?”
