11.28.07
would you agree with me that its much easier for socialists to gain subtle control of a major party than it would
yeah, almost too big already
I dont like the public system at all, expecially in urban environments.
state houses affect people plenty. no need for more fed reps
not counting non-voting reps from territories
they are down right dangerous
OcDoc, If we went to PR in Canada we’d have a lot of stupid parties having seats, like the Marxist-Leninist party etc, and under Canadian parliamentary law all parties get to have a speech on an issue so they could just be retarded long proceedings
we could do the same thing at the state level … a portion of the reps come from fewer but larger districts, and a portion are at large based on percent party vote true, but as you said, reform the procedure
Comet I worry more about the brainwashing., I dont think schools are any more dangerous than say the peak of the drug war in the 80s
OcDoc, coz you got like Communist party, Marxist-Leninist party, Greens, Socialist Workers Party, Aboriginal Spirtuality Party, Progressive Canadian party, Libertarian party, Monarchist party, all having a 5 minute speech + rebuttals
Its dangerous to the childrens minds.
also, they should only be given a rep if they have over the limit threshold for getting one rep
They create clones
FreeTrade, I read about stuff like that and I am glad I live in Nebraska.
there’s no shortage of silly major party representatives in the current system 
80% of the kids believe identically and they beleive what thier teachers taught them for 10 years
Hi FreeTimer
Hi!
Comet, it isnt as common as you think the press sensationalizes it (the violence part)
you should change your nick to “WorldBFree”
Hey Randy! Actually for example the day of that riot, 10s of 1000s of high schools had no violence Same with murders. They are more frequent at specific individual schools. Same with school shootings. They are still extremely rare, that is the odds of being a victim.
details … but how would you qualify third party candidates to be reps after the smoke clears, if they aren’t from a particular district? would you make them run in a district, and chose the at-large reps from “failed” district/riding races? sort of a booby prize system?
and they happen in rural areas, too, like in Oregon. Seems x% of children end up psychotic or evil. and its kind of random. Then again in urban areas you do have individual schools which are violent, I wouldnt let my daughter attend one of them, like Richmond high in the movie Coach Carter, though I lived 2 blocks from that high school once
OcDoc, I think each party would nominate a number of candidates for their at-large reps
or would you have two different elections … one at large slate and the rest district contests?
too many boobies in Washington already
much the same way they run in districts and then their popular vote just picks the at-large reps
but how would you put them in order? the party arranges them in order of preference?
Herzen isnt that similar to state reps and federal reps ?
you’d have to list more than you think will be selected
OcDoc, Yeah
The father of the little boy adopted by Madonna in Malawi has described his feelings of confusion and powerlessness in the face of the singer’s determination to take his only surviving child away. oh brother !
OcDoc, Party Convention or Primaries, person with highest % of vote gets #1, then #2 etc etc etc
you could have them listed by party and the libertarians vote only the libertarian at large … top vote-getter is first chosen, then so on down the list? got it
Bill I agree too many congress critters. The problem is we need more restraints on them and their powers.
he wants what’s best for his child but loves him and would miss him … what’s hard to understand about that?
“Lets visit Madonna” says orphans relatives hahaha
would “crossing over” be a problem in an at-large election like that?
I wish she would adopt me just for her money
it might be
haha
ocdoc .. well excuse me if I suspect this publicity whore of being less than geniuine.
Comet, me too
OcDoc, u could always have two things on the ballot, your rep in your district then what party you want to support at large
A prop for her a toy comet
I agree with your suspicions, but it’s entirely possible he’s agonizing over a difficult situation
I read something the other day with a quote from the father of the boy saying he was pleased and grateful at the news
A doll Serious the material girl ? Since when did she announce a conversion to humanity ?
Us Orthodox should have lynched Madonna in moscow
yes, but that’s a complicating factor
for that stupid shit with her on the cross she pulled
hah
I know nothing about the father I just distrust Madonna
OcDoc, like if I was in USA i’d vote Republican for district then maybe constitutionalist or republican for at-large
George Allan got rid of the $5,000 he got from Mark Foley and gave it to an organization that helps protect children from online predators (run by Donna Rice)
You guys talking about voting Party vs Person ?
right but what if you voted Republican locally and then vote Libertarian for the least Libertarian of their at large slate?
FreeTimer, apparently she’s been dumping a lot of humanitarian aide money into projects in Malawi
back
sort of
IM stil confused, Sounds like your trying to create good government which I think is impossible, I think you can only limit governments powers to improve government.
OcDoc, i think you’d have to run it like, first libertarian candidate to get a seat is the #1 picked at convention
But then I am a bit cynical perhaps
having a hybrid PR election introduces some complexities I’m not sure about
Brazil is a corrupted country…!!! You don´t know how to live in a country that taxes we as first world and don´t offer us the minimum to survive…
same in india 35% income tax sales tax
OcDoc, too complex to pick among a number of libertarian slate candidates for at-large
capital gains , excise octroi cess on tax
yes, the party would arrange the slate in order of party preference
tax on tax
that helps
if you weren’t a cynic about government, then you would be way too naive
OcDoc, and voter should have to pay attention, if you don’t like their #1 vote for another party for at-large
so if i were to sell a pair of mens underwear for 10usd roughly 4.5 usd goes to the govt
no, this is not about good government but about making sure all parties that are large enough have at least one rep in the legislature, congress or parliament yup
Aryaputra, our income tax is simla but thats a crazysales tax
mythrandir
instead of the “top two” winner take all system we have now
you get civic amenities , social security good infrastructure etc
dont know the stae of ur country
Experimenting with government is what progressivism is. I dont like it, which I guess is why they call me a conservative. Chnage I dont think will fix something whiwhich is inherently flawedh an
interested in hearing about it ho
sorry I am having problems with remote computing
FreeTimer, I don’t see a problem with populism in government, to a point Which is what this system is
I prefer to have as much as possible individual choice and as little as possible public group choice about those amenities and security systems
we get shitty politicians from the hinterland sucking us dry , we get 10 billion usd spent on poverty alleviation schemes that help no one expect the corrupt politicians its a big mess
Restrictions on the current system, not trying to reinvent the wheel, thats idealism and I am not an idealist
except*
right … you still have to limit the power of the representatives constitutionally regardless of how you choose the reps
I have a question Did California pass law to pick their Electoral college votes by % of vote? or is that just nonsense
just seems like no matter where u live the politcal rich will always take advatage of the populous at large
yeah
yes, but there is currently a big gaping hole in the idea that each of us has a representative to the decision making bodies
esp in a developing country where only 30% of the country contributes to growth
For 1000s of years we have tried to reinvent that wheel.
another 45% just subsist with minimal or no growth and 25% live off the govt
I vote regularly and I currently have NO representative at any level of my government
that would be nonsense since CA’s 56(?) electoral votes have all been going to Democratic candidates for the past several presidential elections
who loves to perpetuate such deprived poverty so that their next voting block is assured its funny..but democracy is the only thing tht holds india back
sounds like a terrible mess
IamKing I mean just recently
it is
India has made huge progress in the last decade
IamKing, if they changed it to Proportional wouldn’t that just guarantee the Republicans would win all close elections in the future lol
I haven’t heard of any bill or referrendum about it
OcDoc, You wont have a choice unless your in the majorities, thats just reality, Democracy is all about that. Its the constitutional side, the restrictive side, the balance and checks on power side of the government which control government.
probably
Good government without these controls is impossible, and the controls are inscribed in laws not in power by men. Hence “The rule of law and not men”
I disagree … democracy is certainly not about “top two winner take all” there are many different ways to choose reps, each with its own advantages
ocdoc as i said india is a very rich country
OcDoc, the idea of it isnt, the economic realites of it are
OcDoc, its actually about top 1 take all, except for the constitution and the checks on government.
but a large portion of its resources are either wasted by a populist government or openly stolen and stashed away abroad
there is never a top one all across the country
OcDoc I THINK HE MEANS TOP 1 %
india has the largest private gold holding in the world
err sorry caps
If direct democracy was existing we would be rules by the mobs and the whims and fashions of the day
I’m not saying you can’t make it better, but look at how far you’ve come!
well..what can i say
I’m not talking about direct democracy either
Gold != wealth
FT..Europe is a shining example of that
we have a popular joke here… if someone doesnt believe in god
Golds wealth is speculative. Its intrinsic value is low
bring him to india
you are in India?
I’m saying that although we have a very good system in place, it could be made better by including representatives for people who currently are not represented at all
Its whats the word, value is also low Utilitarian
Doc…lol I can see the USA as a Prop Rep republic…
OcDoc thats an intersting idea, i like it
I think it would be better that way
OcDoc, I disagree, if they cant get elected, I dont see how it would change anything.
it has one serious drawback though….
currently my political philosophy cannot debate in Congress or the state legislature and cannot introduce legislation and cannot swing a close vote
for it to be of significance…the President would have to be appointed…not elected…. and if you think the Congress is a slime pit already…
If your goal would be to have 1 or 2 libertarians in government, by the same rational proportionate to how they do in polls then we would have 5 socialists and 15 greens.
CryHavoc, the president does not need to decided in the manner hs is describing, really just the house does to be effective
I dont see that as a win for anyone.
I don’t want to go that far yet … I’m just talking about legislative bodies like legislatures, congress, county commissions, city councils and so on
Serbia and Austra are both Prop Rep
originally the house and senate elected the president, not the people
FreeTimer, would that be such a bad thing ?
Yes
and at least once in each country…the worst case scenario has risen..
I don’t object to socialists and greens having reps
and there is gonna be one socialist in the senate this year
hell, US Senators were originally appointed by state legislature vote
mythrndir, there’s a lot of socialists in the senate already
Since I consider socialism legalized theft, and Greens are destroying our national security by blocking our access to energy
the other side of the improvement is to be more strict in limiting the actions of legislatures constitutionally
yes i am in india
you would if such that no one party got a majority of the 455…
was away
OcDoc, I dont either if they can win elections
devils deals from hell would be the status quo
Right now they can But I object to them
BillFrugg, not who are a part of the socialist party? tho right
One person’s opinion. a democratic citazen should have the value of tolerance of ideas that are not their own
I object to changing the system which makes us more like socialist canada or socialist germany or France
the most important effect of the change, however, would be to allow people to vote the way they really think, instead of having to compromise and become bipartisans
socialism = im too lazy or plain stupid to make money…so ill rob yours
“Capitalism is the unequal distribution of wealth; socialism is the equal distribution of poverty.” — Winston Churchill
the dems create a gov with the greens and commies…..and appoint Kerry as President uh huh
mythrndir, they call themselves the democratic party, not socialist
har har
if you’re a socialist but have to vote Democrat, it leads to battles to “capture” political parties … not good for the country IMO
6 ET on Tuesday morning, the United States will become a nation of 300 million people, the U.S. Census Bureau
BillFrugg, well i was being serious but you are entitled to your opinions
Its no accident we are the wealthiest most libertarian nation in the world and if you start emulating countries which are strongly influenced by socialists of one name or another, then you end up like those countries.
i am serious too
How do you argue with the success of the USA ?
OcDoc, ireally do like your point of view im down to write that amendment
they call themselves the ‘progressive caucus’
they argue to reduce the success of the USA
but that’s exactly what the DNC wants to do 
FreeTimer, ridiculous natural resources?
People want to take the best system in the world and look at inferior systems to emulate their practices.
be more “European”
That’s extremely base
well, that would be true if we weren’t already being heavily influenced by socialists
I didnt say ridiculous national resources Iamking Exactly
Kyoto, etc.. all are attacks upon the US designed to harm us.
blush
Ocdoc, we arent thats just it, Compared to Europe and Canada we are so far less socialist its unreal.
the only “natural resource” that the US has an abnormally greater share is.. the desire to have freedom
I’m not used to people agreeing with me!
are there americans here?
And less socialist isbetter than more socialist France is a basket case because of their representation of all parties
that comprising two whole continents, so I would assume so
alkaline…last I checked..most here are from USA
could be … I don’t dismiss that possibility
they have a 35 hour work week which is destroying their economy and you cant fire people
why is canada a separate country???
Germany and Austria are as bad off…
i always wonder?
separate?
Arya because thats how the chips fell
I think the socialists ruined france because of their parliamentary system, not because socialists have undue influence there
i’m headed to france
how long before such policies are in place in the USA if you give more power to 3rd parties ? Given the biggest 3rd parties votes have recently gone to Greens and socialists
is Canada a country?
as in why isnt it part of the usa same people
they are really so only in name
same culture
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH Russia’s nuclear envoy said Sunday that North Korean officials expressed their commitment to denuclearization after the North’s reported atomic test,
totally linked economy
not really the same people or culture, but similar enough
actually, I think less legislation is likely if one party doesn’t control the legislature
economically….the US and Canada have a commons-law marriage
Randy, for vacation or a 35 hour work week ? hehe
hallo ooa…….
South Korea was denuclearized in the mid 60s, IIRC
Canada is definitely more socialistic than the US…and the US is too socialistic as it is
35 hour work week, unlimited sex at work, and job security
the USA will purchase Canada at some point
I thought that Canada is a part of USA
Cry we buy aout 90% or so of canadas products they buy about 40% of ours.
silly
FT…yes
Thats going form memory I may be off a bit
hahaha…for socialism visit your fav 3rd world country
approximations
Doc Oc…not really
socialism is horrible
alkaline, which country are you from ?
Canada is a separate country from the US BECAUSE they don’t want to be part of the US Canada is a separate country from the US BECAUSE they don’t want to be part of the US
indeed
as soon as Canada splinters…..I bet the pieces apply to be United States
Kampuchea?
OcDoc, If I understand you, and I may not, you are exploring canadian and european ideas of government.
at the height of nehruvian socialism a prominent industrialist was jailed because he manufactured 150 scooters more than his quota allowed him too
OcDoc…near as many would see the benefits…
lol
socialism simply doesn’t work … that’s all there is to it
The proof is in the pudding OcDoc.. Or I misunderstand you
what’s wrong?
one of the two
Aryaputra..India abandoned that ideology
The pudding in the USA is about 30-50% Wealthier and more liberty
maybe … I’m not sure what we’re talking about any more
it hasnt
leftism = ignorance + idiocy
as i sad
Arya….in some ways they have…
the performing segment never had tht ideology
Indira solved the Famine problem using a bit of force…
Well I was never positive but the idea is reform in government more party representation which in europe has been a disastor.
I think my point was that it is not obvious that the US would be more socialist if a couple of socialists were reps in congress
Canada exports about 79% to USA not 90%
and the gandhi family who led the “teeming millions”
the USA and Canada are each nation sates biggest trading partner
OcDoc, We had a socialist in congress until recently maybe he is still there and have had for 20 years or more You can now but you have to win elections
In answer to the question, on why Canada is not part of the US, it’s ironically because of their shared history.
in the parliamentary system the constitution does not prevent the reps from doing whatever they think best, in the us the constitution limits their actions
Arya..the Gandhi’s also effected some reforms….a shame that India had to assasinate them all…
I think Canada should be merged into USA
How changing the system makes it better is I dont know., And further I want as few socialists as possible
During the American Revolution, some people still wanted to remain part of the British Empire.
its what happens to peacemakers though
right … New Hampshire allows multiple party affiliations for candidates
Also, the British made a deal with the French to keep the Revolution out. In return, the French would enjoy cultural protection.
RANDYM STAY OUT OF MY MSN
cry…the latest are yet to die funny they never learn their lesson
you don’t have to shout
This is where the current Quebec issue originates.
I don’t need your left wing crap on my screen
One cannot be a libertarian thinker and still favor adding more socialists to government. thats not libertarianism to libertarians a socialist is simply a professed government theif who believes in taking money from the private sector and giving it to the government as well as the control of your life.
now we have a roman-catholic house maid ruling over us
That aside though, Every state allows any party to run
sorry
Aryaputra, you say that as if there’s something wrong with it.
Its no different in New Hampshire than any other state.
but that randym is trying to use msn to campaign or something
I make a distinction between socialist thinkers and socialist action
a Socialist can run in any state in the USA Socialist party can exist in any state in the USA
what isnt
it’s simply not true that “it’s no different”
Yes but putting one in power is giving them action. My point is they already can win, it sounds like you want to make it easier for socialists to win by changing the system.
in New Hampshire you can run as a Democrat AND a Socialist
Aryaputra, can you move on and perhaps elaborate ?
I dont agree with changing the system to get more greens and more socialists, let them win within the existing system. And I would have constitutional amendments myself which would make much of their party agenda illegal..
Aryaputra, for example, how is Catholicism having a negative impact ?
no, if a socialist goes to congress but socialist legislation cannot be enforced under the constitution, it does not result in an increased level of socialism
I would for example enshrine property rights better in the constitution
she didnt have an indian citizenship till the time her husband was killed and she had to enter political life
8 15/10/2006
she is chirtian…a practising one she doesnt know any indian language
I would make permanent law not subject to votes, policies which are anti Green and anti Socialist and in some cases anti republicans and democrat
aryaputra…take heart though…….
would you agree with me that it’s much easier for socialists to gain subtle control of a major party than it would be for them to get elected as socialists?
another Gandhi is coming up the political walk….
Aryaputra, and you’re a practicing Hindu.
has no experience of governance..and is pro-xtian missionaries
Such as I said tax percentage limitations on the government as constitutional law
is tht enough?
OcDoc, they’ve been trying
now India can make it 4/4
GET OUT OF THIS CHANNEL
and 85% of my country is hindu
The government could for example never tax more than 25% of anyones income amendment 25
I agree with all those things, but I disagree that it’s a good thing to prevent all political idealogies from having some representation
Aryaputra, if she’s good in other ways, can you put up with it ?
they’ve been succeeding
Im using wild examples which I havent thought through entirely
maybe but she isnt former house made frm cambridge maid*
Aryaputra, she needs to be voted out then.
randym stay out of my msn
what is it with randym and darn? sheesh
But I dont want to reinvent the wheel which doesnt work, but works better in the USA than most countries. I want to put more limitations on government which protect people from governments best intentions
she will be
can you type longer sentences please? the scroll is killing me
damn it
I want to do both
its like the current gandhi goes ahead and marries a playboy playmate maybe then theyll make her prime minister
Aryaputra, I was here, hours ago, when you remarked that your religion acknowledges multiple paths to God.
Arya…Rahul may step int to power at some point…
yeah..but sadly yours doesnt
I want all legitimate political viewpoints to have representation at all levels, and I want stricter limitations to prevent socialism
OcDoc, 4 times you have misrepresented me, I said any party can run NOW in politics Washington state can legally elect a communist to congress and thats fine as long as he is powerless or virtually powerless while there like other congress critters
a shme though regarding India….
cryhavoc the indian people tend to vote in new governments every 5 yrs
the Gandhi’s modernized India
so i guess rahul baba will have to sit out a bit
and their reward…..
I didn’t mean to misrepresent you … it’s a complex subject and the scroll is confusing
Aryaputra, nevertheless, I had remarked earlier that religion is a bridge between the human logos and the Divine Logos.
hahaha…they screwed india
I have said over and over again, ANYONE can run for government in the USA and win, Any Party its already the law. its already legal, I have not tried to change that, or once said that any ideology cant run and win
assasination
they deserved what they got in return
But they must win within out systems elective system
Arya…no..they modernized it..
uncle nehru died of syphillis
I dont want to create a system which makes it EASIER to elect socialists and greens
the next 2 in line were assasinated
Indira used force, buyt she stopped the famines…
Nothing about our system denies them the right to be in power. They just have to get enough votes, and convince enough people
Aryaputra, (that’s in a sense more technical, but carries a similar sentiment)
indira nationalised the economy
Rajiv moderniized Indias economy and especially its military
and I’m saying that the district based winner take all system prevents anyone but a bipartisan from ever winning
banks factories airlines everything
last Indian famine was in late 60s….
yes rajiv did modernize the military
\OcDoc, the fact is there are independents and socialists in the US Congress
Aryaputra, if it’s any comfort, the rest of the world is going mad too.
Indira had to use force to sieze a portion of grown crops to guard against the next one….golly gee…it worked
but no libertarians
(that should scare you death, not comfort.)
Rajiv de nationalized a lot of shit
i believe during operation brasstacks…i think in 1987..the then defense minister had remarked tht india was capable of taking on pakistan and china at the same time bi believe during operation brasstacks…i think in 1987..the then defense minister had remarked tht india was capable of taking on pakistan and china at the same time/b that was our peak
the world is not going mad … it’s safer and saner than it ever has been before in history
sadly it is no longer true
the world has been mad for a long time
Arya..thx to Rajiv’s modernizations….
so my mother creates a crappy mess and i solve it partly…yaaa im a hero
India at least in raw conventional troop numbers…is on par with CHina
china’s out of the question, but india can still smack pakistan in a conventional war quite easily
no it isnt
So 3rd parties can win if they can win appeal , the reason 3rd parties are failing is noone believes in them. or very few
arya..yes it is…
Sorry I keep having problems with this remote connectiion
you have 1.1 billion people…
the chinese are roughly 1.7 to 2 million strong
the whole socialism thing was a debacle…started off on the wrong path
india is 60%
you could with some effort field a PRC sized army
I disagree … the reason third parties fail is they can’t get a foot in the door
does it matter
it does geo-politically
the indian army and air force are better equipped than china..the only problem is nukes we havent done much in tht area
Aryaputra, some people resent India because of the perception that India is taking away a lot of jobs.
India is the only country that can checkmate China….force them into a course of inaction
Aryaputra, but I’m a fan of India.
why in the hell would india or anyone else want to go to war with any of your neighbors, for any reason?
ooa…who is to blame
India is solving that issue I bet
except pure nationalism
why do you give a person 20000 usd a year for sweeping the floor be realistic
and I also bet Indian nukes are more accurate and modern then chinese ones
yeah they are thts true but not completely weaponised
OcDoc as a person who started out as a Libertarian when it was just becoming a party in the USA (The latest version of Libertarianism), Over the years I have found the problem and the reason there are no libertarians in the government is that (Not me) but people in general consider them one of the least popular parties, I mean Libertarians offend every party and most peoples idea of government except mine and some others. And wit
defense is one thing … you have no way of knowing if your neighbours are crazy or not … but that’s no reason to go crazy yourselves
Aryaputra…because of our develope dinfra…and our Cost of Living which arises from the infra OcDoc..I trust India with nukes more then Pakistan
For example 80% of people consider public education as one of thier most beloved programs and Libertarians would end public education if they had the power.
cryhavoc.you pay for the infrastructure created
it’s not true that there are no libertarians in government
FT…not necesarily…
I think there are over 800 listed in various government positions
i still see no reason too have asuch high salaries for such basic jobs
Libertarians are not popular is the problem, and they never will be, socialists have much more chance gaining converts than Libertarians its the nature of man the nature of politics
Libertians would get rid of Federal interference in EDU…and toss matter to the states where it bleongs
it seems to mee tht the whole western econoy is artificially kept so expensive
Aryaputra, it’s because of local costs. If you paid people too little, over here, they’d freeze to death.
Arya…wrong….
People would rather thing about getting free health care (Which we know isnt free) than they would assume the personal responsibilities libertatianism would force people to accept
i’ld also like to see funding for EDU do likewise.. i.e. no redistribution from state to state
People dont want to educate their own children, Even though I do and Have
Aryaputra, in any case, I don’t consider it “blame”.
COL expenses arise directly form created infrastructure
I hate to say it, but that’s kind of elitist
People are so anti libertarian, To democrats thats the only party they hate worse than Republicans
one day India wil lose jobs to Bangladesh lol
take any raw material…you have to subsidize agriculture in your economy because even with ultra-large land holdings..it becomes practically impossible to profit from agriculture in your country given the high overheads
Aryaputra, it’ll help the Indian economy improve, then the Indian economy will begin to consume its local talent, and the equation will balance.
well, my butt’s getting sore … laterz troopz
There are people of every persuasion and party in some levels of government in the USA including communists
every country uses agri-subs…I am against them
My point is as a generality
the cost of wheat or cocoa or cofee beans is practically the same everywhere in the world
Well I guess the truth is painful but the fact is the masses dont like Libertarians.
then why is it tht when you buy a cup of coffee frm starbucks they charge you 5 bucks
Arya…the producers of those items set the price…
and we would get something similar for 20c
Arya…taxes…and overhead
and also because people will pay it
Indias COL index is a fraction of ours…
I have no joy in telling people libertarians arent popular but they arent, which is why I support a blend of republican party and libertarian ideology which can be sold.
hey Katey
Aryaputra, our market will bear that price. That’s why.
as i said cryhavoc
hello CryHavoc
Katey…you have killah blue eyes
i live like a king in mumbai(which is our most expensive city for roughly 10k usd a yr)
thnx
thats all it takes
Arya…COL index….
youre right
because your infra is not as developed as ours…
Starbucks costs $5 for one reason only, People are willing to pay for it. I wont unless its the only coffee joint within miles.
cryhavoc in a city like mumbai it is we have expressways
I am talking overall in your nation state…
airports , railways etc were getting a metro in 5 yrs
India is nowhere near as developed as the USA…
Valuation is still determined by the Austrian School identified value, Subjective theory of value..
im not disputing tht
as your infrastructure increases..your COL will too
Thats what sets all prices all costs
well lets take china
same thing there…
As the prosperity of the people generally increases so will the COL
they have world class infrastructure
China ?
still col there is almost as low as india
and as the COL increases..you will pay more..
why is tht
World class infrastructure ? Have you been there ?
same reason Arya
ive been to hongkong
no where near as developed as the US and Europe
China is still mostly poor and rural, isn’t it?
ive only heard abt shangai
HK is one small area
My brother is there now, they have shitty infrastructure though they are investing a fortune in it
Katey…you bet
but right now they dont have world class infrastructure
HK has excellent infra… as does Shanghai
He said China
COL in Hong Kong is also high
anf Kwang CHou…and Macau
they have a 16 lane expressway in shanghai..at this rate itll take india asnother 50 yrs to build something like tht
China has shitty infrastructure
I’ve sometimes reflected that the quality of infrastructure depends on the “trades”
now..China overall….horrible infra
“trades” being masonry, plumbing, electrical, etc.
the coastal part of china is practically first world
Like I said they are investing a fortune in it and a lot of americans are making money in it, but right now its so pathetic it is 3rd world
but the Coastal cities I named have a good infra there… I think they will be next Chinese government
One of the things I noticed is that third world countries tend to have a lower quality in the trades and engineering generally.
they are more hand labor then machine…
not really
It’s possible to still get excellent tradesmen & engineers, but those wouldn’t be the common variety.
but on the other hand…that equiv of 2 dollars a day for Sneaker makers in Indonesia….they can live off of that
our only dominance in manufacturing is heavy engineering and construction
The soviet Union built great monuments to communism which they allowed tourists to see and they would come away and say wow, Russia is a great country, and is beautiful. it was a front.
Russia is shot to hell
most indian companies have clients ib SE asia and the middle east not many in europe or the americas
For example, I’ve noticed that, in 3rd world countries, wall tiles are often not set straight.
And though China is changing and I believe some day it will have a world class infrastructure to say that today is simply lacking knowlege of china.
an angry, wounded bear growls in the shadows….
The general quality is like dollar store quality.
ooa..not always… some of the best handcrafting comes from those sorts of countries
The local currency is like dollar store currency, and it buys dollar store goods.
sometimes poor countries have the best workmanship in terms of art.. quality of aesthetics.
