11.29.07
Would this be a fair school taxing system 1Everybody starts at the same rate X 2For every student registered
suffering isn’t mandatory
the first premise of buddhism
of course.. the city picked and choosed what it considerd a “commercial truck”..
obviously, if a person gets doped up from birth, that person won’t be suffering counterexample!!!
all life is suffering see the word “all” doped up or not
DOPE IS NOT A TICKET TO RIDE er sorry caps
two neighbors, one with a chevy pickup, one with a GMC.. one was allowed, one was fined. Same fucking truck, just a different badge.
how do you define suffering, then? it’d seem like a doped up person would be perfectly content
http://apologizejohnkerry.com/
i thought drug addiction increased crime
go read up on buddhism….i prefer you get the info from those more knowledgable about buddhism than myself
the irony of ironies.. the “acceptable” Chevy truck was a registered vehicle with a company. :-/
ignorance increases crime.
what if the person died after being doped up after birth???? life isn’t suffering!
Bangalore Tech Support is always fun. Ask them to drop bywithin the next hour to fix it, no no, Bob, you personally
is “Doping Babies” your final answer?
hmm, i guess that to accept that suffering is mandatory would be to accept buddhism, which is something i’m not ready to accept they were making ludicrous counterexamples earlier i was just mirroring their examples
hardly
that is why you are so unhappy
I always offer to take them out to a steak dinner for being so helpful.
i’m not, though! :d
I am unhappy? trapezoid I never knew you cared!
TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran will offer cash incentives to travel agencies to encourage Western tourists to visit the country, giving a premium for Americans, the official Islamic Republic News Agency reported
cool
Iran, “We need more hostages”
i am on my way i like iranian food
can we ship them the DNC membership?
I knew a couple of Persians.. very nice people.
Lupine I want a tour of walls used by firing squads. I collect pictures.
yup very hospitable
I dated a Persina gal once
Lupine|: come to Iraq; get kidnapped.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2006/11/01/world/01military_190.jpg
she was quite. nice and her brothers were VERY protective
Lupine|: how can you spin that.. ah I know.. “Let your troubles be kidnapped in Iraq!” there we go..
afghani people are also very nice
Americans are worth a premium to Irzn, but not to Democrats. amusing Iran^
why aren’t americans worth a premium to democrats?
is this the “republican channel”?
Ishmael illegal alien votes are easier to bribe?
oh, I think thats pretty clear.
cheaper too
i thought the channel had broadened its view
i get the feeling so
trapezoid: no.. the chan is a mixed bag.
trap not me, still got the same blinders on
mixed bag of conservatives
trapezoid: dems, repubs, commies, socialists, and libertarians
they just do not ban us right wingers on site, like most left wingers do.
trapezoid: who do you think is a conservative?
libertarian/republican
um, libertarians are not conservative by definition. Ishmael: a libertarian is a classical liberal.
they’re extreme right-wing
no we are not.
libertarians are weird, by definition
In the name of Allah the Willingful and Wonderful, Senator John F. Kerry should be proud that he is uneducated cause he doesn’t deserve to keep his Senate Seat. Allahu Ackbar
i thought left-right scale was determined primarily by the amount of gov’t intervention desired
Ishmael: we support ending marriage discrimination, getting gov out of bodies, and bedroom, legalizing drugs. etc.
Libertine thats the kind of Liberal as in “Liberal Democracy”
no, that is a flawed model.
for different reasons, though okay
Ishmael: at least use the X/Y axis approach of Liberal/Conservative X and Libertarian/Authoritarian Y
some libertarians want NO laws at all
Cutting a federal progran is considered a Radical move.
Libertine I think we should use upper case L for “Libertarian” Liberal and lower case for “leftist” liberal
which is weird, for example……. no laws against drunk driving
most people can fall on a X/Y chart better than just a X
no, leftists deserve L!!!
Ishmael I disagree. Strongly.
trapezoid: not no laws; just dont bother me with illegal drunk driving checkpoints.
Libertine talk about your 4th amendment broach
the legal ones are not a problem for you, right?
a neo-conservative in here would be offended if you called a libertarian ‘conservative’ …
“I’m sorry officer, your probable cause is what?”
all of them would be illegal if he had his way
thx1138: indeed, illegal search.
as long as the legislature passes laws authorizing them, then you have nop problem with them?
neo-cons weren’t conservatives on the scale i was using
trapezoid: there are no legal drunk driving checkpoints 
neo-con is a term used to describe the people who voted for Reagan. 49 states werd
trapezoid: if you have probable cause; fine. otherwise; bugger off
Libertine its also a great way to catch drunk drivers who are endangering the public.
ahhhh….. you have not yet accepted the fact that you live in a civilized society
so…there’s that one.
“Kerry Comments Insulting and Shameful”: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbZ5jPJk4Dg
trapezoid: civilized; is that the kind of society where we are stripped of our liberty?
laws and taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society
Basically, neo-con was a phrase trotted out so the DNC would not have to admit they suck.
yes
trapezoid: yes, civilized. like Russia was?
taxation is theft. and civilization is over-rated
oh come on, my Yahoo news blurb says Kerry apologized about his bad joke about Bush.
ayn rand is smiling upon us right now
AP to the rescue.
it is the price we pay so some gang of people way stronger than you are not allowed to steal your property, rape you, and then kill you slowly
what better tactic than to insinuate by nomenclature that your opponent’s success is due to some kind of conspiratorial agenda!
the power to tax; is the power to destroy… words from one of our first Supreme Court Justices…
NEO-CONS!!! *DUN DUN DUNNNNNNNNNNNN* I just like that it has “Neo” in it.
neon
take the red pill!
thx1138 and, it avoids any un neccesary self inventory
Ayn Rand would have some interesting observations to make. Ishmael: the reason people seem to see libertarians as ‘repub-lite’ comes from our economic policies and limited government views; but our social freedom policies put us at complete odds with modern neo-conservative policy.
the income tax, when it was contested and went to the supreme court, was ruled by the court to be legal “taxes are the price we pay to live in a civilized society” Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes
also our general support of the constitution in its originalist form. explicit powers only; and a solid 2nd ammendment. tho, modern conservatives seem to have fallen into the big-government trap..
i prefer a solid 1st 5th and 16th amendment
so perhaps time will only further separate us. trapezoid: i prefer all of them.
not to mention a very solid 93rd amendment
trapezoid: like the 4th
and say.. the most important.. the 10th.
the one we have PISSED on.
Libertine agreed
what about prohibition?
Let’s start with Wyoming, those bastards
would you have supported that one?
trapezoid: the idea of any prohibition as proven via history; is monumental stupidity.
Would this be a fair school taxing system? 1)Everybody starts at the same rate (X). 2)For every student registered to a home, their rate goes up: (X + S) (where S = rate/number of student) C)Rate goes up or down based on a student’s performance with a maximum decrease of (X+1%) and Maximum increase of (X+50%) ? something like that? maybe? hehe or am i talking out my aass on this one? haha
school taxing? can you quickly explain what that is?
trapezoid: dont twist my words; taking ‘originalist’ too far implies i was ok with only white land owners in government, or slavery.
i also think marijuana should not be illegal…..BUT
yo
oh, public school
legalizing heroin and cocaine, while it might lower the crime rate, is contraproductive to many people’s lives
how can you tax a interest rate that isn’t locked in at a rate ?
the taxes that school districts levee
trapezoid: personal responsibility is just that.
it’s not an interest rate
it is not for the government to protect people from themselves.
alcohol is legal and we still have rehab
just a percentage of taxes paid
some people are irresponsible
the problem is that you can’t tie performance with actual learning that isn’t from teaching to the test
obviously the numbers aren’t exactly or anything specific
which seems to defeat the purpose of schools, imo
trapezoid: yes, stupid ignorant people; if only nanny-government would diaper them.
more to the point it would be a system where people w/ more kids pay more taxes (helping retirees, etc)
well, one man’s stupid person is another man’s president we all have different opinions
Libertine would you agree that court-ordered AA is a violation of the 1st amendment?
and more so, shift more of the burden for kids to do well in school BACK onto the parents
thx1138: actually; i wouldn’t.
Libertine, well we can see by the obesity epidemic that most people can’t take care of themselves, heh.
can they do that?
Why not? Its government mandated religion!
thx1138: even tho AA is a religious program; i do not hold that the 1st has sway over state laws governoring religion.
We need a nanny state!
how would you measure performance?
since AA is religiously oriented, i think the gov cannot order it
AA is a religious program?
governing. typo
Huh? Affirmative action?
Ishmael: read the 12 steps sometime.
Or a super nanny state that can tell us ‘unasseptable!’
Oh…alcoholics anonymous Okay.
based on annual pass/fail and on disiplinary issues. If a student is suspended, rate goes up. if a student stays out of trouble and keeps good grades, rate goes down
no you don’t understand ! people have houses that have rates locked in and they pay taxes on it but some interests rates aren’t locked and the Government takes a higher percentage in Taxes you can’t put a fair tax on that.
suspended = gets into trouble
then who’s the say that the school will be fair in passing out those decisions?
i realize it could raise the problem of who determines what is bad and good behavior but
the government does not tax interest rates
parents would fight harder to make sure the schools remain lax on grading and punishment
see
and schools would have to lower their standards to avoid all the legal battles
that’s a good thing parents would get involved trust me, the parents of good kids aren’t really the problem
property might be taxed, income might be taxed
its the parents of bad kids
but parents don’t care about improving their kids; they just care about the school lowering its standards
we could save money on school by eliminating the mandatory nature of the higher grades.. like say; Japan does.
btw Happy All Saints Day
they feel that the likelihood of their kids improving probably isn’t going to be as good as having the school lower its standards
its like starting w/ a flat tx
Samhain was enjoyable though I was busy and could not attend the coven meet
My nephew who lives with me finds school much easier than doing his homework… I always expect more of him in his HW when i check it than the school system does
how many grades does japan have?
in some countries you must ‘earn’ your right to high school.
what interest rates?
right, but the parents of troubled children might feel differently
and more so, shift more of the burden for kids to do well in school BACK onto the parents — That isn’t fair to the homeschooled !
oh
yes it is, they pay the flat rate if they don’t have kids in public school
homeschoolers consistently score higher. coudl it be that their teachers are actually compitent?
part of the point being: don’t use it? don’t pay (as much) for it
Ishmael the parents of troubled children are the reason the children are troubled most likely
but that’s still not fair to the homeschooled if they’re smart
why not?
pilgrim`: could be a issue of the lower teacher to student ratios.
it makes public school teachers look as bad as they truely are
right, but adding a monetary incentive won’t change their behavior for the better because they can’t get the discount, right?
they’d be treated same as somebody w/o a student
oh
pilgrim`: time management issues; 1 teacher and 30 students is 1/30th as good as 1 teacher / 1 student.
that’s what i mean by “dont’ use it? don’t pay (as much) for it” hehe
Libertine or the lack of Inservice days, every holiday 3 months off a year 2 weeks in summer, more concern over union authorized this and that then students?
you can’t really measure it like that
pilgrim`: look at the classical world thru pre-industrial revolution; apprenticeships were not 30 man groups _ Master/Apprentice … not Master/Class also; students were in turn; teachers to other students.. like that would fly now..
my own Grandfather. he was a plumber, worked a refienry job and later ran a ranch. HS ed. only: He could recite Milton, read Latin, do complicated math in his head
it was just a thought… this gave me the idea: http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v22/pfjunkie/MEX_Students.jpg
what do guys think about senator kerry’s statement?
so how do you measure performance?
it’s students leaving school (here in the US) and walking back home to Mexico.
btw, that was High School in abackwoods hick town in Texas
They use a friend/family member’s address to go to school here they’re using the school but not paying taxes is that fair?
pilgrim`: pampa?
Grandad was born 1898
definitely a problem i see here that most of the country probably doesn’t deal with..trippy
pilgrim`: ah.. he was a kid during the Bass train robberies pilgrim`: good times.
student fails, tax rate goes up. if student has major disiplinary problems, rate goes up
why is it that a classical liberal education was possible to be delivered to a Texas farm hand 3 generatiosn ago but not today?
likewise, they pass, it goes down. they have no major disiplinary problems, goes down
http://www.620wtmj.com/images/uploaded/Help%20Photo20061101105508.JPG
fails in class?
pilgrim`: a classical liberal education requires teachers trust students to think for themselves.
i don’t mean like if a kid gets detention…I mean for MAJOR screwups: inschool and out of school suspension, etc
or fails in standardized tests?
Libertine expecting peopel to think acct, and be responsible for themselves
at the end of the year, if a student fails and is held back nah eek don’t get me started on standardized tests…that’s a whole other horse i’d like to take out to the glue factory hehe
as vs find a social worker to fill out the correct whine form because you are to damned illiterate to even fill out a form!
i still think that it would be easier to threaten legal action for bad parents than to actuall make th ekids shape up yeah, standardized tests are terrible that would’ve been another point of contention if you were going to use those for tax rates
In all I saw about 50 kids crossing the bridge back to mexico
you should’ve burned the bridge
the BIA Agent weeping at his desk….. “My Inidan Died!’
that costs money…i’d rather make money than waste it
newt wants to start paying kids cash to take extra math and science classes…and wants to start in the inner cities
social workers are not and don’t
or what about transferring kids to another school with more lax grading systems?
i like Newt, but I dunno if cash is a good idea. th shitty part (as w/ anything) is the potential for cheating/fraud
Ishmael they coudl come here. If you can find your ass with both hands they will award you a degree
a degree in assfinding that’s what i want on my resume
end open district policies so kids have to go to the school nearest to them. if they want to send the kid to another school, pay a higher rate psh haha
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yep. they become political scientists
that’s unfair to parents who want to get their kids away from a terrible school
thats’ where we get into elliminating standardized tests as the measuring sticks for pass/fail/etc but like i said, that’s a whole other discussion
never say “Fail” it might hurt sensitive students
hmm, but the parents who actually want their kids to excel would have to pay more money to do school-of-choice
L0c0- according to him it would be based on performance not participation
i’m very much opposed to NCLB and how standardized testing is used yeah, but kid gets in, offers to split the $ w/ teacher… i’d be willing to give it a try though.
L0c0- he didn’t have a lot of details, his point really was that we need to start incentivizing math and science because of impending floods of competition from India and China
it’s sad but he’ sright
but not even with standardized testing, though you don’t have to have standardized tests to realize that some schools suck brb
yup to cover costs of bussing, etc. if they drive them themselves, a little discount
hrm.. ‘no child left behind’ ..
trust me, people are quick to say “schools suck” and blame teachers.. those stupid ass tests do more to hurt the system than a bad teacher and i won’t deny, there are bad teachers, but most teachers out there are good, they try every day. well lunch time i’m out…latez
standardized tests hurt the educational system more than misincentivized teachers and the unions that prop them up?
teachers unions are pretty bad especially in california, from what i’ve heard
CTA oof
in the US, it is the system. as the teachers must conform tot hat system they become QED part of it and part of the problem I wonder if Microsoft can get rights to the Beatles “When I’m 64″ to use with the Vista launch
! Vista has been cancelled
no one wanted a Latvian chicken?
everyone preferred gefilte fish
Vista is latvian for chicken
That explains why they traded the home, pressional, and media center tages for crispy, deep fried and breast fillet.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2089-2426886,00.html
Windows Vista Cruiser
gefilte fish is a latvian delicacy actually, basically a jewish baltic delicacy estonian and lithuanian too
Democratic Strategist Jane Fleming hmmm
nice.. the released those guys in the UK who were “planning” to blow up planes so the whole reason you cant bring outside liquids onto an airplane… are released due to lack of evidence yet… the restriction remains.. heh
they release how many of them ?
Members of the U.S. government’s intelligence community are using a Wikipedia-like community networking Web site to share information across agency boundaries and open dialogue about disagreements over assessments such as those that led to the war in Iraq, project leaders said. http://www.itworld.com/App/4147/061101govwiki/
it’s called a Private Intranet
Intellipedia, based on the open-source software that powers Wikipedia,
yes
lol intellipedia
but it’s also a private Intranet with IM and chatting abilities the firewall can’t be broken I run a private intranet like I am talking about it’s never been hacked into we have p2p chat and im abilities inside also and also we can make pdfs and other stuff inside it
nice
observer thats awesome its staggering to think nothing like that’s existed yet
brb
ya i wish i could view it too :p
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ET TU, HILLARY? SENATOR SAYS KERRY SHOULD APOLOGIZE well the s**t has hit the fan lady macbeth has spoken \
well, not because she disagrees with him. But because she’s putting the dagger in him, to secure her 2008 nomination 
yep
Lurch for President
i prefer Thing. He’s our man! er.. hand
how about hand for VP
wow, I feel sorry for the republicans that the whole focus of their campaign to stay in office rests on a botched joke by kerry. Kerry should have retired after 2004. He should have retired before 2004.
roygbiv^^: eh, i doubt it was a botched joke; but still; given that kerry isn’t running; it’s pretty pathetic.
Libertine, given that kerry isn’t running, this shouldn’t have been worth reporting. Given that the republicans are desperate to swing some kind of punch at the democrats, this became news. And apparently the biggest news of the week.
hrm.. erection season…
careful now, if kerry had retired before 04 we might just have a democrat president. Kerry, that joke of a candidate, came very close to winning
hehe suna I’m so glad kerry isn’t the president.
could you imagine
He just comes across as snooty and arrogant.
how about beeing glad that the inventor of the Internet isnt prez
heh ya, our troops would be out of iraq, while Iran takes it over
the only “botch” that Kerry made was.. allowing his true feelings of US soldiers out.
roygbiv^^ no doubt its been as over exaggerated as anything is in the week before elections, but you have to admit Kerry really did that one to himself.
Kerry would be president now; if he had just learned to keep his trap shut. the guy is his own worst enemy.
80% of the scheisse in iraq ..Mullahs are supporting insurgents with weapons and let them travel freely in-and-out of Iran
Gore, he probably wasn’t ready to be president in 2000 (neither was bush, mccain would have been great), and although gore might have developed a personality now, I think it’s probably too late for him.
roy well mccain still has a shot at 2008
thx, yeah kerry did it to himself by trying to make a lame cheap shot at bush.
mccain… ug
roygbiv^^ with all the hollywood elbow rubbing gore’s been doing, no doubt its just a fake LA personality
mccain the destroyer of free speech
naah
hehe thx. Maybe he had one implanted at a beverly hills clinic.
roygbiv^^ honestly, if you reconstruct that “botched joke” to what he says it was supposed to be, it still doens’t make much sense. He went to the same damn school Bush did.
thx, I know. And he was in the same skull and bones cult thing they had going on.
any1 know what kind of grades kerry got at yale?
ver four years, Kerry maintained a 76 grade average and received an 81 average in his senior year
suna: i have heard from third party sources that Kerry’s GPA at Yale was lower than Bushs’
wow. the dems have a new commercial with gen wes clark saying that america is less safer now because of iraq
of course; that doesnt really mean all that much..
I don’t know why those links aren’t investigated. The odds of having the only two presidential choices in 2004 involved in the same shadowy cult should be grounds enough for investigation.
roygbiv^^: right, investigate S&B.. but ignore that every president except reagan in the past 20 years? has been a CFR member..
what shadowy cult?
bush said he was an average student (himself, not kerry)…..which at any ivy league school means all you need to do is bless them with your presence. It’s so easy to simply pass at an ivy league school, the only hard part is getting in.
there is no conspiracy; the conspiracy is that the rich and powerful protect themselves. thats it.
cfr?
no big secret there.
hi all
thx1138: council on foriegn relations.
Libertine did you see the national geographic documentary on the freemasons
they groom one another for the roles; all their lives.
very interesting, their etymology
just recovering from last night’s Halloween revelry
libertine, yeah. :B
they have the money, and the connections, and so; they continue to do so.
if they didn’t reject atheism I’d consider joining
it’s just one big old boy’s network of families with influence..
libertine have you read about the bilderbergers?
in fact. we’d be better off if there WERE a conspiracy :0 at least then i could pledge myself to some dark god and get elected but no.. i need to be rich. and have the right family history.. so im boned. roygbiv^^: yes.. i have.. bergers, masons, illuminati, rosicrutions, esoteric this, that.. etc..
The bilberberg club is about as close as you get to a global conspiracy, purely because all the influential politicians, media, and business reps are invited each year, and there is absolutely no reporting of what goes on there
atheists are the only one going to heaven — not believeing in any God is better than believing in the wrong God
roygbiv^^: most of the classic secret societies have become obsolete thanks to the internet.
lol omg
roygbiv^^: people don’t need a lodge to find a safe haven for discussing politics and science.. the net does that for us now
whoops.. i meant to say.. suna sounds bitter 
libertine, the ones that were dodgy to begin with. Though with bilderberg there’s a complete media blackout including the internet.
Bilderberg conference is just a group of very successful intelligent people getting together its not some secret cult fuckin retard Stephen Harper went to Bilderberg conference in 2003
Herzen: i was explaining that to them, actually. Herzen: the grand conspiracy is there isn’t one..
herzen, did I say bilderberg was a cult? I said it was the closest thing there is to a global conspiracy.
lol
it’s just people with resources and power; making it so their kids keep what they have.
the problem with the idea of conspiracies among the rich and powerful is that it implies somethings that humans don’t do. 1. keep secrets. 2. Powerful greedy people willing to work together in full agreement in order to achive a common goal…without trying to screw each other over for thier own personal gain at the first opportunity.
stop sounding lame !
TimothyWT: sorry.. i am lame.
sorry.. i am lame.
the only ‘grand conspiracy’ the Bilderberg group is
to quote goldmember “that’s a keeper”
Lupine|: heh
is the conspiracy of well connected, intelligent people looking out for their own interests
I Love the Bilderberg Group
When you have all of the most powerful people in the world together in one place for a week, discussing things that will never be reported, that is a conspiracy. We elected most of them, and we have a right to know what our elected representatives are doing, and the decisions they are making for us.
no, the burden is on the person who disagrees
Herzen: exactly; which is well. not really a secret
roygbiv^^, god forbid the most successful people in the world have private conversations the horror
i dont believe in secret grand conspiracies; i would be inclined to do so if i found one person who could keep a damn secret.
Herzen, this isn’t a private conversation. This is a global conference where they discuss and decide on what direction to take the entire world in.
you can’t logically say that conspiracy is afoot based on circumstance, first of all.
Yea.. all the partisanship in congress is just a front.. they’re all members of a secret society, all working in unison to fuck us.
My Three Thames Rivers will exalt my spirit everyday and everywhere till there is no more documents saying my name !
roygbiv^^, its 130 influental people getting together for cocktails yeesh
how do you know that’s what they discuss, if your complaint is that you don’t know what they discuss?
wow, you mean like a UN delegation?
just being an ass, ignore me
tucker carlson called john murtha…JACK murtha lol
heh.. nice point
Libertine exactly, not to mention look at what fuck ups these people are in the rest of their lives…yet we’re supposed to belive that somehow they are able to pull off grand global conspiracies across the plane of history? cmon gimme a break!
Lupine, not really. The UN doesn’t have much power. The people invited to Bilberberg have the power of the world at their disposal. Not to mention that the UN is held accountable by its members, and public notes are kept of security council meetings.
was Kim Jung II there?
Every meeting inside Bilderberg is kept secret from the public. Every decision made.
well shit, it is a private club.. “duh”
Lupine| Lil Kim?
OMFG, everthing said at Augusta National isn’t made public!
the jo0s?
I made the Thames Rivers Flood in the 2003 Meetings in My Group
Lupine, you can’t equate bilderberg with any other halfbaked association on the planet.
bilderberg… i wonder if they even still call it that..
That’s where it was founded.
it would be like refering to your meeting as the “Hollyday Inns”
Or who it was founded by, can’t remember.
why not? are you saying they do not have the freedom to assemble peacefully in private?
it was the hotel, roy.
Bilderberg was named after a Hotel!
yep
Lupine, lol. assemble peacefully in private? This isn’t a boyscout meeting.
first meeting was at the bilderberger hotel. etc.
Say what you will about so called “secret societies”, but lets keep in mind that every major democratic revolution in the last 500 years has involved one.
thx1138: i will not deny that claim.
please tell us what goes on at these meetings.
thx1138: but you confuse cause and effect. thx1138: a social revolution comes about in a way that creates groups seeking change in turn. thx1138: you can’t point at any one secret society and go; “they caused the revolution”
Lupine, I would love to, but unfortunately there is complete media censorship over them. Even the fact that they take place at all, and the full list of people attending is difficult to find.
not to mention, there are secret societies behind non democratic revolutions
thx1138: example. masonic agents in the US did not ’cause’ the american revolution, etc.
so you have no idea what they are discussing?
well my implication could certainly be misread, but my point isn’t to draw a direct connection so much as assert that secret societies have historically been the mechanism by which change for the better has occurred.
but they were certainly involved.
at least in part
and change for the worst as well
indeed..
damn populist party meetings!
did a handful of jews secretly plot against jesus? i think so
wasn’t it god’s plan for jesus to die for our sins? … if so.. god is the conspiracy! uwasn’t it god’s plan for jesus to die for our sins? … if so.. god is the conspiracy!/u
bastard
hehe got me :p
yea.. jews doing the work of god? this is a bad thing?
kerry just released an apoli=ogy
religion is so fucked up i tell ya
version 3.0?
its amazing people can believe most crap
of course; the gnostics had a different take on ol’ jesus too bad they were all hunted down and executed.
Lupine, if the congress and the senate decided to pass laws in secret, and you only found out about those laws when you broke them, would you be comfortable with that?
religion has, for the better part of human history, been the most effective tool to unite civilizations and codify behavior across generations and for that, i give it credit
the gnostics got pimp-slapped at nicea..
but cmon people the jig is up, science is the little dog toto and its pulled the curtain back on the wizard
bbl
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lets all just take the parts of that codification and pass that on, lets leave the mysticism and ignorance where it belongs, in the history books.
thx1138: eh, science is great; but be careful not to trade one set of priests in black robes, for ones in white coats.
red herring. we were not discussing the US congress and Senate passing laws in secret. We were talking about a private meeting of private individuals.
heh.. yea, run away lil boy
to science’s credit; the principle of healthy skepticism is at least; refresing.
Libertine science is not an organized religion; it is a plurality, and because of this it is now in each of our hands to remain informed
thou sometimes it too suffers from an unwillingness to examine alternatives
Lupine|: eh, we dont need our congress to pass laws in secret; they do it in public and nobody cares. like say; that internet gambling rider on the port security bill.
Lupine| there may be groups that behave this way, but there’s always room for mavericks. Good science is good science, no matter how unpopular the results. we need to ban all tack-on legislation
thx1138: it would be nice.
either stick to the subject at hand or write your own bill.
hah.. congressman don’t write their own bills they get all their bills from lobbyists. riders are just bills they tack onto other bills.
you wanna get some pork for your local constituency? fine, lets all sit down one day a year and write the “pork barrel” bill where we all get a piece of the pie.
congressmen stopped writing their own legislation years ago
internet gambling is so smart we should all go play unregulated slot machines
they are too busy campaigning and securing campaign contributions to be writing bills.
the internet is a series of tubes
and table games that don’t use cards
suna: let the buyer beware. suna: the marketplace; the great equalizer.
topic is hilarious
that was actually taken years ago that picture
lol @ topic
Colorado constitution prohibits having any unrelated legislation in a bill works great
too bad the u.s constitution doesnt have such a measure
it should. but they all depend on how it is now
would it be possible for a state to have a line item veto for the gov?
well, such constraints can also be abused.
cyberfr0g: sure.
sure, if the state constitution allows it
who decides what legislation is unrelated
cyberfr0g: so long as the state constitution allowed for it.
td`: courts
ooo.. bad idea
U.S. would be better served with line-item veto + balanced budget amendment
that would turn courts into lawmakers..
bad idea if they are appointed
along newt’s lines
I remember one ballot initiative was thrown out.. it was about banning “homosexual marriage”.. as the court ruled it was about two different things: marriage, and homosexuals.. well.. duh
if the courts are elected then i don’t see problems with it
td` dunno if you remember colorados tough immigration bill that passed. a citizen sued saying it contained unrelated legislation, court agreed and threw the bill out. so they had to write it again, properly
