11.29.07

wouldnt you be if you found out you got tricked into fighting a war for all the wrong reasons

Posted in Politics at 10:51 am by Michael Johnson

you can shoot 10%

trapezoid, we weren’t at war at the time

It wasnt a rebellion like an armed rebellion

and the other 40% will get back in line with the other half

france in WWI executed a number of their soldiers for similar offenses

it was at best 30 days in the brigg.. Maybe they should of made examples out of more, but they didnt

start at the top

political opinion should never get in the way of a soldier carrying out orders

true

Again by making examples they only bring it to the public attention which neither the president nor the military would want.

it is complicated

Discretion is the better part of valor sometimes.

hmmmmmmmmm? that is an abuse of power

bring it to public attention?

it is time to open up and tell the truth

that’s not how you run a totalitarian establishment do it right, establish enough threat, and people will fall back in line because if what you’re saying is true

well i can understand the attitude of the troops in the sense they come OUT OF a free society before they enlist

with “half” of the military disobeying orders due to political affiliations (I have a real hard time believing that figure),

hell, during vietnam a number of fragging incidents took place which weren’t prosecuted

it’s fundamentally fucked…so making examples of a few isn’t going to matter if the journos get in the way, shoot them

but freetrade’s comment makes me think that we ought to withdraw from iraq as soon as we are able, without it being a rout obviously the troops there are discontented

Blued, Well I think we would be wiser as a society to elect a president the military at least tolerates. Not loves, but at least someone they can live with, why they disliked clinton and gore so much I do not know. Part of it probably had to do with Hillarys reputation for treating military people like shit even openy disrepecting them in the whitehouse. Now sense then Hillary has learned to play the game.

wouldn’t you be if you found out you got tricked into fighting a war for all the wrong reasons?

FreeMrkts, like Hillary?

Another reason they didnt like bill was he protested agaisnt the vietnam war in the UK off american soil. They saw that as a betrayal

We need leadership to follow the rules

In fact that as a major issue with the military.

that was before most of them were born

that’s absurd…electing a president just so the military gets along

Trap, they were well aware of it.

we don’t elect presidents to satisfy soldiers

it’s the military that’s fucked if that’s EVER the case

gore was in the military as was kerry

what’d gore do, take pictures?

Its hard to elect a president the military hates.. so if they do examine the reasons.

well gore’s daddy was an influential senator

We shouldnt let the military elect our president true

so they protected him a lot but kerry could have been shot at any time

by his own men

but its probably a mistake to elect someone the military disliked extremely.. And I think thats rare, never in my lifetime have I seen it

hahaha

only with one president.

imo, 50% of the military is extreme

America is a county of law and order. If we do not have leadership that follows the laws with it really doesn’t matter what soldiers think or feel……

No they arent.

i surely wound not let the military dictate my decision of whom to vote for would

The military are surprisingly well mannered, educated, trustworthy, respectful. I always said if was to start rehiring employees vets would be my first choice.

lol

educated?

they get well trained in the military

A rental yard in the bay are which became the #1 WOB in California , the employees were almost all veterans

smart people don’t get enlisted

it’s not your father’s military

if nothing else the Iraq war means that the candidates in ‘08 will have to reveal something about how they’d get along with the military

The woman who hired them was from Berkeley, A cool woman

it isn’t about “smart”

WOB = Women owned buisness

and learning how to pump gas or field strip an m16 doesn’t translate well in the corporate world

it’s about education the military doesn’t take stupid people

most successful woman owned buisness in California

it sounds like you want docile robots you can train easily

Was Called Big 4 Rents.. Hertz bought them out

trap, the standards are being lowered and lowered

not intelligent, free thinkers that can revolutionize & expand your business

they rented construction supplies and almost anything else you coudl think of.

meanwhile did you see the IPO of KBR? amazing up like 140% in one day

the military is handing out prozac and sending men back into battle! that is low standards

I never saw such a well run business with such go to it workers. When I got a D4 Caterpillar stuck in Mud, they came out and helped me get it out.. These gusy were terrific guys.. black white, integrated and they got along great together. the military is probably one of the best examples of racial integration in the USA I love the military people, I love the US Soilder, I am so proud of them.

military first integrated under harry truman

who isn’t?

as far as combat units were concerned

I have nothing but good things to say about our military

who doesn’t?

my comments about the iraqi war have nothing to do withthe soldiers, except i would like them to be safer

Eisenhower was the one they are remembered by though when he sent the 82nd to integrate a school…

hmmmmm back to the issue would be nice

yup

Ike was a very moderate centrist president.

brown v board of education ike was a hardass the end of public segregation or the beginning of the end

my grandfather was named ike. true story

what were the ideas for ending this war…. There were two people who were going to state their ideas…….

there is a commission the baker-hamilton commission

we got side-tracked

Trap, I have nothing but admiration for the american soilder, I feel pain everytime I hear of one dead or captured, I Literally feel mental anquish. But I understand its war and its soildering, the possible things that can happen to soilders have tortured my nights sleep to use a pun, because I can not believe the ability of mans inhumanity to man, which is why I think its so important we do something

just what we need … war by committee

their recommendations will come out in january

about it when we can, when its in our national interest.

can’t wait

We must make this world a better place. And I long for the day this world lives in peace.

two people in this chat room were about to state their ideas

they are making recommendations try to keep up

Thats straight from my heart too.

trapezoid, I know all about it - its a joke

lol, thanks. I will

ummm, why? you think rummy should run things?

National interest is the excuse that lets us do justice outside america..

or maybe bremer should be ressurected? resurrected sorry

http://www.letssaythanks.com/ - Support our troops. It’s free and only takes a moment.

And national interest is to have a secure middle east, and we should stay and work for it,.

trapezoid, I’ll withhold final judgement until their recommendations come out - but I expect very little

Even if it snot perfect even if its not our ideal

brb - group leaving wow, that was quick - they are done about 3 hrs early

rond is my superman

Well There reccomendations may be shit, or they may be great. only time will tell…

Diplomatic approach’s is the key

war is the extension of politics by other means

FreeMrkts, based on the membership and the comments they’ve made so far - they have nothing to add that is useful

Bush is right to make the point this is not a decision making body, this is an advisary body only and their opinions can and should be rejected completely if its appropriate or adopted if appropriate.

??? jim baker? he was bush sr’s secretary of state you don’t like him?

3j,. Ill wait till the report but you may be right

hell, the new sec of defense was also bush’s CIA chief

Baker fucked the dog in GW1, he was wrong..

Baker is a fine guy … but a lot of the reason they didn’t finish the job in the 1st Iraq war

So I hope this time he has good ideas

these are all bush sr’s people

Dismantling Sadam’s army was a huge mistake. What should be done at this point?

of course its not his commitee its made up of about 20 people

any military in here?

the coalition wouldn’t allow it

ok - really have to go for few now - back in 5 to 10

Dismantling it was not a mistake, we tried working with them once it was a complete failure in fallujah

and there were no doubt military reasons as well

not true

most deserted.. Yes true

no Free

bremer made a big mistake

in every congressional hearing that was a major indicator of the situation we are in now

Listen, these baathists were unrepentent,

the reason there is a guerrilla war in iraq is due to the lack of a military or police force there made up of iraqis

they werent willing to soilder up as a new iraqi democratic government their goal was to bring back a saddam like government

and most likely the guerrillas are past members of the iraqi army, or baathists in WWII we allowed ex-nazis to run the railroads

it was a mistake for anyone who suggested debaathification was a mistake, it wasnt a mistake it was right.

and eventually to go into government

We are seeing the fruits ofit now..

we sure are a civil war

even if we won today….. Iraq will have a Saddam like government.

We are seeing strong military units grow now, a real army growing, far from perfect but its happening and they learn fast say american commmanders. Which is why they believe embedding americans with iraqi troops is the way to go rather than american troops leading all the operations.

military efforts to do not effectively weed out terrorists……

No We are seeing the fruits of a more disciplined Iraqi army

it increases it

Trunk Monkey!

more so than ever most the sectarian problems are int he police not hte military The police is a huge problem. Thats where the sectarian shit his happening big time.

superman is the last good superhero

herzen i tend to agree

until we get to the facts of this war it is all speculation. This is a time that all Americans need to come together and find real answers. Make decisions based on fact.

superman was the best

I dont know Im listening to soilders Im not reading the New york times, I am listening to colonels, corporals, LTs, Privates, Generals in the theater..

soldiers do not have the answers

Im watching them interviewed closely because I am very interested in what they say..

they are told what to do

civilians make policy in the USA

The best about Superman is there isn’t an unvirtuous bone in his body

Trap, The military makes the tactical decisions the Civilian CINC makes the political ones.

but i admit i always wondered how he had sex

The way it should be..

all of us are responsible because America is our country. Cry out for facts!

geez he could kill any woman he was with

These generals study war all the time, when they are off duty they study warfare, they are the best we have..

thing about superman is he doens’t have to be SUPER all the time lol

well he has control over his powers

yes

but, i think in the act of intercourse he might let his control slip a bit

So i’ve always been confused is superman super because his race is

or because he gets special powers from the yellow sun of the earth and not the red sun of krypton?

Civilians know the political objectives but they are not the best for making the tactical decisions, who and where to strike etc, the civilians should have only limited input to keep it within the political goals. or if a president gets a prima donna like MacArthur sometimes you have to sit hsi ass down or fire him

it is because of earth’s yellow sun

Btu we dont have any primadonnas in this war.

but, superman flew out of the solar system to visit krypton

he must have lost his powers then

how did he get back?

good question

i’m watching Superman the movie it would suck to be trapped in a pane of glass

i thought that place where he surrendered his superpowers was at the north poll or something

the fortress of solitude

i think that was just a portrayal of “the phantom zone”

i’d never watch any remakes

remakes? they made a remake of superman?

we needed some comedy relief.

was that recent one a remake or a continuation

No one seemed to like Superman Returns but I really did bud` it wasn’t really a remake or a continuation afaik, sort of a seperate story I guess

ah.

is there any way to make windows media player to go “ontop” ?

Herzen yes easily. i forget where tho, just check menu options for always on top

eh i got it WMC or MPC Chris Reeves was the second best superman

Would like to see our leaders come clean with the truth and start from the begining……..

… are you going to bring up area 51?

Remember how Americans were asking “Why would anyone do this?” after 9/11

Herzen he is the only superman as far as im concerned

The truth ? How long must we seek the truth ? I think we all know the truth at least in generalities.

really?

bud`, i liek George Reeves

Herzen I really liked the Lois & Clark TV series

As a guy said today a democrat said who rooted for the democrats to win, he hopes his party doesnt focus on the past but starts focusing on the future

he was actually a good superman

And I think if they dont they lose.. Murtha was an example that many dont want to get stuck in a rut going over the same propaganda

Herzen i thought chris reeves was the only actor to play the char in the orig movies no?

What happened to America and why is the truth considered a genrality?

bud`, yes but George Reeves played Superman in the 50s on the show and in some films

agreed free, blaming is a waste of time

and when superman first came to be wasn’t he a villain?

nah i don’t think so in the 30s?

but we need to make things right with Iraq. We can’t take back all of the people who died or was injured but we can resolve it.

Krypton doesn’t seem like a very nice planet to live on

pretty sure the very first superman was a blad headed villain who wanted to rule everything

The first Superman character created by Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster was not a hero, but a villain. Their short story “The Reign of the Superman”, concerning a bald-headed villain bent on dominating the world, appeared in a science fiction fanzine that Siegel published.

at some point for the sake of history we will need to understand the mistakes of this administration, in an attempt to prevent it happening again.

superman sucks

keep repeating kind of thing

he embodies everything wrong with america

who?

the world doesn’t need a supercop

so true and now i know who you mean

bud, remember there were three actors to play superman in the original films maybe more, I doubt they used just one baby

blued nope. i only saw the movies as a kid and only remember chris reeves guess i suck

that’s because you weren’t paying attention

george reeves chris wasn’t in it, was he?

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oh, wait, there was a baby kal-el on krypton

so four people played superman on screen before the faggy superman returns

how do you get multiple random keys all stuck

scroll on, aaaaman, scroll on

it just makes what we type easier to read

Superman represents everything good about American values during the 40s and the 50s

you’re actually doing the channel a service

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so how about that spam?

yes, that’s right, apple pie mentality…debonair white boys rules the world, while women stay at home and don’t vote, and everybody’s favorite negro is at the filling station pumping gas

ham in a can … spam

spiced ham in a tin

blued, actually Lois Lane was quite the agressive woman in her day

I thought she was a lesbian

noooooooooooo

she had the hots for Superman

she must have been a lesbian - a woman with no kids and a … gasp … job

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but superman is a homosexual

Hey now, thanks for the respectful conversation and debate. Take care and have a real nice weekend.

I thought louis was just DC’s token fag hag

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just because a guy wears tights and changes clothes in phone booths …. doesn’t mean …. well ok … i guess it does mean …

his cat must be on the keyboard

he fell asleep and that’s his nose

td` hey now, its the most intelligent thing AAAman has ever said

and don’t forget he had a dog that wore a cape

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wouldnt you be if you found out you got tricked into fighting a war for all the wrong reasons

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