11.29.07
Wouldnt it be OK to think that the US was *one* of the great countries of the world–with national strengths and
So ultimately we will have no choice.
ohh
then George Bush and Bill Clinton are cowards for letting Iran attack americans
ya
I just don’t think the war goes anywhere. If you want revenge, yes you can get that. But it will never end ‘potential threats’
and Canada to
Nemes you sloshed?
b4 i forget lol
hahaha Thats nemes ?
td, was there an atack I missed?
bud“ course its xmas
attack that is
wat else would i be
Merry xmas nemes but not too merry!
it was a secret attack
FreeTrade mentioned the Khobar Towers attack
‘yknow….I think that you’re a republican. The reason I can tell is because you have no meaning, only vigor
ahh
Wouldn’t it be OK to think that the US was *one* of the great countries of the world–with national strengths and weaknesses just like all human enterprise?
i only here to bring xmas cheer though
ke6i, I have never believed in revenge
just wanna spread the love
I think revenge is immoral
and wish everyone a merry xmas
td, well that was Reagan wasn’t it?
I believe in justice and protection of life
You actually don’t realize how non-intelligent this man is?
war is to protect people not to seek vengeance.
Those past attacks area already gone. You can’t do anything about that. YOu can try to create conditions where people don’t want to attack you. Or you can take revenge endlessly.
Was our own war of independence for us for our liberty ? Or vengeance
people of peace and good will should get together more, but it just drives the power mongers wild
no, Clinton in ‘96, so Clinton was a coward and failed to act against Iran, and now Bush
ahh but FT bush junior has had his revenge
im not sure “The man” isnt also a person of peace and justice
and actualy he aired it live on international tv
td, was that blind guy from Iran?
what conditions do you suggest where fundamentalist muslim terrorists don’t want to attack us?
Why can’t the Republicans just admit they made a mistake?
The question do US soldiers in Iraq make more people want to attack the USA or not?
Im not sure he is in it for revenge or blair
Republican Pride
i speciificaly watched bush jun say “dont forget the guy tried to kill my dad”
In fact if I look at the facts I cant come to that conclusion..
revenge right there
I dont know, but the Khobar Towers incident is going unpunished how can Iran be allowed to get away with that
td, for now.
But as far as I’m concerned it has nothing to do with side-dishes and party-platters
there were no US troops in Iraq when they attacked on 9/11
And if the answer is that US soldiers in Iraq create conditions where more people want to attack USA, then it’s just revenge. We are mad about 9/11 and we want to kill Iraqis because they are ARabs and 9/11 guys are arabs.
Thats a good reason for justice, but vengeance isnt a problem solver justice maybe
A smart man or woman is a smart man or woman
Someone threatened to kill my dad they ever done that to your dad and its been serious ?
why do you think Bush and Clinton have let the Khobar Towers incident slide?
you seem to be happy in your own little world … don’t bother answering my question
Enough said. Get over your pride, admit defeat, and end it
what question?
I am glad the man who threatened to murder my dad died of a heart attack in prison
You made a mistake
i has nothing to do with vengeance nothing
Ok I’m done
what conditions do you suggest where fundamentalist muslim terrorists don’t want to attack us?
td, I told you that wasn’t on their watch
its about self defence and justice
ke6i, iraq is a terrorist and criminal hot spot now all the dirtiest dregs of human society luv it in iraq now sice we tried tor rescue them
It happened in 1996
Oh. You have to make fundamentalist religion less attractive.
they couldnt get away with half the crap they do now wen under sadam
a man willing to murder my dad got justice when a steak clogged his arteries
td, in Lebanon?
no, I don’t … but that doesn’t answer the question
Attract the ‘middle’ to nationalism or moderate religion
no in Saudi Arabia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khobar_Towers_bombing
Because you’ve set up a strawman.
Ohhh, those towers
the question was “what conditions”?
If you define someone as ‘terrorist’ then you can’t make them ‘not a terrorist’
td, did they determine that was Iran? I thought that was bin Laden
The issue is the majority
there’s no strawman there … I’m asking you what conditions you suggest
were is Herzen?
hello fellows
But how can a terrorist not be a terrrorist ?
I think address concerns as much as possible in the mid-east
a federal judge this week found Iran responsible for the attack and ordered the government of iran to pay 245 million dollars to the victims families
Thats illogical
ahh hes going under Harsen
How can bin laden not be a terrorist ?
lol
they see themselves as freedom fighters
Try to make the US a force against communal violence.
alright then, I stand corrected … what conditions do you suggest that will keep moderates from joining the extremists in wanting to attack us?
sexonlegs, who are u?
No there is a defintion of a freedom fighter
Harsen r u Herzen?
he is seeking his freedom
td, oh, just this week.
but they ar enot seeking freedom
how will we be a force against violence if we’re not there?
You keep the moderates away from the terrorists, by not punishing moderates along with terrorsits.
they do not even pretend to be seeking freedom
td, well I guess you have an answer as to why Clinton didn’t act, huh.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/12/23/iran_ruled_liable_for_96_terror_bombing/
they dont even say they are seeking freedom
I want to charge every kid who tips over a cow with terrorism and treason against his country
well
they say they are seeking terrorism
well I guess its time for Bush to avenge these dead americans then
If the USA bombs both the terrorists and the moderates, then the moderates become terrorists. It’s very simple really. The key is identification of individuals. Not punishment collecctively.
I also want to do that to “your” son who hit a mailbox with a baseball bat
hehe I love it wen males check out my new nick and get their hopes up
sexonlegs, yes who are u?
poorr ikkle fings lolz
how do we defend ourselves against the terrorists without going where they are?
td, he is.
terrorists are terrorists when they have no political goals especially
lol the usa have to deal with shit face terrorists in iraq
LA queda has no political goals with the us
Harsen it is I Nemes
Convert of die
u only get urself into problems
drop ur trousers
I mean what if the baseball bat says hazbullah?
hehe
same as Chronicles of Riddick
that sounds good … how do you propose we find the individuals without going there?
Well you check the borders.
Convert or dsie that is their religion
This goes back to the burning the flag thing
thats what they believe
sexonlegs .. tell us all about it
sexonlegs, 3you are devoiced (Requested by TheTailor )
hazbullah sux
The thing is it’s too late in Iraq for any of this, I think.
hizbullah anyway
Its not even about america leave the middle east
im israeli
oh, I think it’s safe to say we were checking the borders before and during 9/11
I think in 2003 it might have worked.
they didnt want that
they bombed the north with missles
they wanted us to come to the middle east and we did
I am serious….but I take my liberties with the flag…just like you do…..
bin laden wrote
left many people without a roof top
if the US comes to the Middle east we can defeat them
you have fallen far short of convincing me that you know what you’re talking about
he wrote he wanted us to come
Look here, I’m just saying the key point is separating ‘terrorists’ from ‘non-terrorists’ — if you can get only the right guys. That works. okay never mind.
Im going from his own writings
I agree with you … IF you can
You can fold it into a triangle all nice and proper, but guess what…I stuff it in my fanny-pack
i want to ask
I’m asking you what we should do to separate them .. and so far all you’ve done is say how not to do it
do u guys see hizballah as terror orginization?
You learn to speak Arabic.
DaBuSh, yes.
And you have friends in the country
I think more than almost anyone on this channel who has been pro war on terror, I have been agaisnt civilian casulties, not the only person but I have been very outspoken
salaam aleichem … now what?
salam alikum
That’s how you do it. You can only create a critical mass of humans who ‘like you’ and want peace more than they support insurgency.
wa alikum a salam
Some have said fuck it, we are losing because we arent just bombing the fuck out of the terrorists we are worrying too much about civilian casaualities I have always consistantly opposed that line of thinking
you cant isolate combatants from non-combatants in a civil war.. its beyond coalition control now
that doesn’t even include the ingredients, let alone instructions for a recipe … sheesh
You create a government that has ‘critical mass’ of support.
FreeTra5w if the politicians werent bunch of fags that care about what the world would say
I have always supported the idea that we go to great lengths to avoid civilian casualties
we could kick the shit out of lebanon and syria too
and that we dont lump all muslims together
The point is, you can not stop thought. Has anyone read the book 1984?
and you think this superficial wishful thinking is detailed instructions on how to change our foreign policy to keep moderates from joining terrorists?
I think there’s only one option in Iraq right now. And that is the USA has to make peace with at least some militia.
Ive been a civil rights advocate for muslims on this channel
I jsut read the news.
ke6i, We have made peace with the Kurds
yeah, that’s pretty much it
we also have 120k Iraqi army we have made peace with..
freetra5w where do u live?
Al Sadyrs forces seem destined to oppose us no matter what
yeah .. the hero was tortured into changing his thoughts
i dont think they will make peace
I think the USA could withdraw.
we may have to fight them
Or I don’t fear the timetable.
We cant withdraw
but he was a martyr
u cant win the muslims
noone agrees with that, nto even baker./hamilton.
We can use withdrawal as a negotiation.
they changed his thoughts
u cant win the muslims, they are fanatics
We arent at war with muslims
u cant make peace with em
the iraqi army is hopeless infiltrated by militia members.. a lot of their weapons are ending up in the wrong hands… official iraqi advice to citizens now is to not even co-operate with patrols unless they are accompanied by coalition troops
they are in a holy war, the jihad they dont see u from a yard
since out war in Iraw today more muslims have a favorable opinion of americans than before the war. IU now you are all shocked to hear me say that but its not because of the war its because of the aid to indonesia and pakistan and iran
DaBuSh, only the ones blinded by fundimentalism.
So aid makes a huge difference in perception
we are losing the information war with Islam
yap TheTailor
Its a powerful war weapon sort of. . Anyway Got to go
Unfortunately, the writers of the mid 20th century were right. We will soon be persecuted by our thoughts
Later
but there are too many freaks like that
most muslims never hear our side, or anything positive about us
OCdoc, true I was leaving but vemos comment intriqued me.
DaBuSh, in the end, Muslims must deal with them.
why did you say that Vemo ?
We should bomb Iraq with DVD’s of ‘happy news’ about the USA.
we won the information war in eastern europe and communism fell
Persecuted by our thoughts how ?
TheTailor, the problem is that we deal with them.
pretty much … at least the truth
the best example ican give u is israel
Terrorism
that i live in
ke6i, no we should continue to rescue the largest muslim nation in the world when it has a tusnami
DaBuSh, for now, but not in the long run.
I just think that US soldiers in Iraq is an irritant. The USA is battling Sunni insurgents.
which turned a country against us to being for us or help kuwait which turned a country who didnt care about us to a country where 80% like us
and I’m not sure. Like some of those guys are justnationatlist I believe. People don’t like to be occupied.
I mean, you can’t destroy terrorism…because terrorism is not a physical entity. It is a thought
affirmtivelyu
maybe after a WW3 it will change
of course it’s hard to send aid to a country when we’re not allowed to go there … at least half of us aren’t
cant pull US troops out of iraq now without increasing irans influence throughout the ME even more so than it has already been raised
i wish the war of israel - lebanon would turn into world war 3
OcDoc what half ?
we could solve so many problems
After WW3 people will discover Buddhism. As they rummage around the radioactive wasteland and mourn the lost future of Mankind.
if they don’t like to be occupied they shouldn’t invade their neighbors
In indonesia hey allowed anyone in.. for rescue
the female half
So that’s revenge then.
I seem to recall a big stink about letting women without veils into some countries to bring aid
Buddhists have killed a people too
That’s true.
the reality is to us in the west buddhism and hinduism is very romantic
Buddha was involved in battles too. Giving advice.
and if you followed the religion literally it would be so would christianity
hmm
But the fact is in the east buddhists and hindus and others have fought wars and killed people and done many things
Japanese Buddhists were not very nice to Japanese people who converted to Christianity
Yeah cuz’ they don’t go to Buddhism because it makes them peaceful. Buddhism to deal with the pain of loss.
the fucked up thing, is that its all about religions
You take the Ideal of a religion.. And the practice of it it often varies
you can’t lose the future … you don’t even know what it is
DaBuSh, it’s about control.
Harsen Case in point
with enough nukes. Hmm.
it combines togather
DaBuSh, they couldn’t care less about religion
how long did it take Japan to recover from nuclear oblivion?
Yeha the Shogun had like ‘official Buddhism’
If anything maybe we should eliminate all religons but then people might behave just as bad some people may onoy act right at all becausse of relgiion ;0
wars in the middle east is all about religoins
Yeah but I figure eventually we escalate to dirty bombs that poison the land.
It would be immoral to tell people what they can and cant believe
it’s impossible to eliminate religions
and also its utopian
the Russians and the Chinese both tried
My last point addresses that
And the other thing (which I think is proven by physical fact) is that a thought grows the more people think about it.
wars are about resources.. take away religion, and people will find new ways of motivating people to fight for resources
The Carthage option.
DaBuSh, I disagre, I think it’s a control issue. disagree
OcDoc agreed and even KGB Senior members retained their religious belief
Because we’ll continue to find more ‘potential threats’
Like Yeltsin
the russians actually did it
So basically, all that this “war on terror” is doing is provoking more terror
There was no such thing as god less communism, many believed in god.
wars are rarely about resources in the last millenium
War on communism was a better model, imo.
VemoD, how?
they’re about national or religious pride
Vemo see thats an opinion but it strikes me as illogical on the one hand and slightly logical on the other..
they’re about avaricious leaders and cowed populations
while yes a war on terrorism would creat some more terrorism to not fight terrorism seems more insane
well, actually, no …
So it slike well thats a natural outcome of a neccesary process
VemoD, we can end the war on terror today, all we have to do is convert to Islam and live under the fanatics rule.
revenge makes you feel better. But it doesn’t do any good.
lets say that 95% of the people that come from russia to israel dont belive theres a god.
when we are attacked and 3000 murdered
The point is revenge.
how can we not fight back ?
see in war there are two sides that can’t agree, and they disagree violently
Fight back = revenge?
because its raising awareness that terror is a threat and a weakness. Because its making people think about it over and over and over again
or fight back = stop?
ke6i, no, it means prevention
If you want revenge, you can get that. But it will never end.
when one side attacks the other, the other side defends itself … that’s WAR
And fighting back ONLY when it was al queda and bin laden had already started a growth in terrorism before Iraq
freetrade, im trying to unscrew something but the screw isnt coming out and the screwdriver is ruining it , do you have a suggestion
but ‘fight back’ — what if prevention is not fighting? Do you still want revenge?
ke6i, it’s not about revenge
but its grown to be much more than that
‘fight back’ = revenge.
not yet it’s still a WAR … both sides are fighting
No, fight back = less attacks, hopefully none.
So its like I dont know, you get stung by enough bees to kill your mother, and then you have to get rid of the nest but when you start killing the bees you will find a lot more bees, well then you just keep killing the bees
depends on the success of your war strategy
ke6i, should we not fight back?
I think we’re in a catch 22
OcDoc, time will tell.
I all our other wars where we created more enemies we hit a plateau eventually and started winning
It sucks if we leave and it sucks if we stay
I think we should act with the intent do make peace. And not with the idea of revenge.
You can not, not bring justice to wrong You cant just say ok Forget it
I question your assumptions … some people feel that the terrorists were able to attract more people to terrorism because we FAILED to fight back
Either way, something is going to change
VemoD, yeah yeah, and killing a cow is murder, we’ve seen your logic, or lack thereof.
you murdered 3000 and we will do nothing for fear of creating more of you we had to act we have no chcie its a moral duty if nothing else
join #spaceship oops
Fight back is a form of revenge. S omeone attacks you and you have to ‘fight back’
probably … that was my point … there are more terrorist attacks BECAUSE the war has started
Even if it causes more deaths for us Its not vengeance
and revenge does not end the war. But okay, if that’s what you want, fine.
its MORAL duty its NOT REVENGE
Its systematic slavery
my question is do you at some point lose your sovereignty
we always have choice … sometimes we make the wrong choices
okay ‘not vengeance’ — but fight back is a moral duty. And it doesn’t do any good. But it feels god.
see thats what you refuse to accept its justice
resulting in murder
OcDoc, well the attacks always escalate when we go after them
like what if a country wants to be cockfaces
oi, i need two things, 1) a law agianst these damned irritating unopenable plastic packages and someone to offer a common sense solution as an alternative to giving people brighter headlights, last thing i need is to be blinded as I drive down a dark road
when u restrain things it becomes obvious
and btw, evening gents, happy holidays
isn’t that their right as sovereigns
I would say that was logical
OcDoc I never said we didnt have choice or did i ?
happy holiday
What I think i said is we hav e a moral duty
issit still christmass?
in other words we have no choice if we are to act with morality
we have no chcie
like if i want to sit in my country and drink beer and set off nuclear weapons just for kicks or something
not for 4hrs yet
Just like if I have a kid I dont have to take care of it
why is that the business of anyone else?
We didn’t have a choice, had we not gone after them, they would be back again. 9-11 wasn’t the first.
cool
b ut I have a Moral duty which leaves me persoanlly with no choice
these libs have made the same tired arguments for 5 years now!
TheTailor
I must do what I am morally compelled to do
as i said when u restrain things it becomes obvious
i say iraqis have a moral duty to serve iraq
if I have a child I must take care of it
we did have a choice … only time will tell if it was the right one
i do not have any duty with regard to iraq
Democracy too is a religion. It is the worship of jackals by jackasses.
going after them is one thing… turning irans rivals into allies is another
I think that to make the USA safer, we have to ‘act politically.’ And sometimes this involves war. If we are thinking in terms of ‘fight back’ — we are in for endless war. You’ll see. It takes 10 years or so to burn this out, imo.
if my family is murdered I must seek justice and not revenegd
Iraq, as far as i’m concerned, is liberated
morally I must try to find and bring to justice the killers
i would seek for both
OcDoc, I can’t agree, if it was the first attack maybe, but not after 9-11.
they need block watch
Sometimes the judgement about what makes the USA safer is clouded.
jesus we got thugs in criminals in LA sometimes they riot
i belive revenge is justice
FreeTra5w Liberals protested the war in Iraq, because they said innocent people will die. Why aren’t liberals protesting driving? More innocent people died driving their cars than died in that war. I would state that freedom is a cause worth dying for and driving is not!”
Trading liberty for security isn’t always safer.
i think iraq’s need to step up and police themselves
i think sometimes life can throw us into tests of vengeance, where we might know its wrong but say someone rapes and kills your daughter
“no choice” is a conditional thing … “if we wanted to adequately defend ourselves and put a stop to the attacks” we had no choice, IMO
they need to turn in criminals
ok you might know vengeance is wrong
I think when you are angry, you have unravel the ‘feelings of revenge’ from rational ideas of what will actually do any good. And this is not so easy. But it is necessary.
“Christmas was when Jesus flew around the world giving all the good boys and girls gifts.”
OcDoc, but technically of course you are right, we could have sat there and done nothing.
and be brave, alert, and vigilant in their neighbors
but life has put yuou somewhere where you may not be ble to control yourself
iraq isn’t failing because of what the USA is doing
you might want to torture the guy before he dies
lol u type too fast i cant read it fast enough
iraq is failing because of what iraqi’s aren’t doing
Iraq isn’t failing at all
yes, that’s what I meant to say … and there is a small chance that that would have been the correct choice, although I don’t believe it
Get rid of the militias and it will be fine.
and also for what the USA is doing
lack of security is a failure
it’s not a binary thing
Most people in Iraq join militias just to safe their own lives.
dehuman, it’s not over
listen, its their problem
I don’t know … I think absorbing the militias into the new Iraqi army may work
it is over we won
It’s over
get rid of 1 militia, 2 militias will rise
saddamm is gone its their problem
amen dehuman
why are we giving iraq military welfare?
IM not perfect, you could drive me to insanity, you could drive me to rip a person apart and eat his entrails. but I try to do the right thing if I can.
No, it’s not over, the security situation isn’t solved yet.
Dabush I dont believe that
hahaha
jesus i dont want to pay lazy people to have kids and not work
if you want to stem iranian influence, its your problem… otherwise the shiite coalition in iraq will join them
OcDoc, I don’t think you can absorb Al Sadr’s guys
already intelligence tells us the major terrorists are less of a threat
Yeah that’s typically how these things go. You absorb the good militias. You encourage the ’slightly bad’ militias. You fight a minority of remaining militias.
the minor terrorists are more of a threat
here its that way
we fought terrorists in the 70s and they went away
Let’s form a “New Deal, Iraqi-style”! woohoo!
and i dont want to risk american blood and treasure so iraqis can running from their own problem
you may be right … we may have to absorb some and destroy others
Came back
its a civil war if they cant get along
but those particular terrorists we put out of business
and its not our fault or our problem
Imo, the USA is not lost in Iraq in the sense that insurgents are no where near overruning US bases and the green zone.
What you’re all proposing is welfare for Iraq
Dehuman most of them are not fighting each other
OcDoc, and bring back some of Saddam’s generals, the militias know what to expect from them, ruthlessness.
its sad that no one sees it
i know
coalition building sometimes works … absorb the smaller less powerful militias with the prospect of helping them defeat the enemies
they’re liberals, etc
when they teach in school to hate the western world view, you cant be suprised by the results
i’d really agree with you if the iraqi’s were still opressed by a strong central regime
OcDoc, I agree
they all allah fighters wanna be
forget iraqis.. if it were only iraqis pulling out would be a serious consideration.. its not, because pulling out would be the start of the end of US hegemony
their problems with neighborhood bullies is their fault
How is it a civil war if most the country isnt fighting anyone ?
al sadr, thats their fault
Dehuman you dont think Iran is a strong central regime ?
no, not within the confines of iraqi borders
that’s pretty naive
i think they wield less influence and power than soveriegn iraqis in iraq
Al Sadr is Sistani’s fault, 1st Cav was about to kill him.
al sadr is iraq’s fault
Iran’s
their priests gives em promises of eternity life if they`ll commit terror suicide attack
i’m sick of this, we take out a murderous thug thats it done
and things like “ull be in heaven with 72 virgins”
i’m all for trying to help we did, they had fucking elections
that would have been it if it happened when we first went to war with Saddam
we won
moqtada is part of the Maliki government, basically.
Well, 80% of Iraqi’s said they were better off under Saddam
its on them
dehuman but see I think its more immoral to kill the dictator or remove him and then leave than it is to stay..
ONE 72 year old virgin
(according to Zogby)
dehuman - what your proposing is welfare for iran
yes and what they gonna do with the virgins, play lego?
unfortunately we waited another eleven years for Iraq to decay
jhicks, horseshit
I’d probably be into the whole radical Islam thing if I were a disenfranchised youth in the Arab world.
because we gurantee the slaughter of more innocents than ever if we leave
that was the polled response
Being a martyr sounds a lot better than being a peon.
jhicks, that was horseshit
I’m not sure if more people die if the USA leaves Iraq.
no1 is innocent
mistranslation in the Q’uran?
Jhicks, I dont believe that for a minute
no one is innocent
we didn’t wait for them to decay so much as we imposed sanctions and the PEOPLE CONTINUED to back a corrupt and evil regime at their peril
Take it up with Zogby
Jhicks, Zogby has never gotten across Iraq and a representative sample
jhicks, if that was the case they would be in the streets asking for Saddam to lead them.
finally we said ok fine we’ll try to help we removed dictator
and B) he is an arab who is lying because he opposes the war
and your point is?
setup elections tried to provide security
how does that argue against what I said?
Well I think the USA is kind of trying to make peace with Baathism these days. Maybe Baathism isn’t so bad. N ow they are stairing down the possibility of an Al Qaeda state in Iraq.
The best poll on the war which was more complex was also more complicated in its results
but the problem is rogue iraqi’s are conspiring against other iraqis
when terrorists put weapon caches below a school
Then why isn’t anyone besides you guys complaining about the veracity of his polling technique?
its everybody`s fault
And it wasnt by zogby
they allow it
It was by Zogby
they dont deny it
So Saddam lite. Same great Saddam taste, but less calories.
Jhicks, Because lots of people have
we had no responsibility to remove saddam first time around ocdoc
lots of professionals have
it wasn’t about liberating iraq it was about liberating kuwait
they have said attacked his motives as I did
it wasn’t?
They have attacked his methodology
Michael Ledeen is no professional
Screw Zogby, heh
dehuman, it was about getting oil cheaply lol
Good grief, Zogby is all over Iraq?
No Im taking lots and lots of people have attacked his polling
nope, we pushed back the invaders and seriously damaged their ability to continue to be agressors do the math ocdoc
A) you dont have access to major parts of Iraq
it was about eliminating a threat to the region by Saddam … how do you eliminate that threat without removing Saddam or staying there to make sure?
that oil is not cheap its more expensive every bomb we drop
but was cheaper
B) people have been trained the experts say to lie for years C) People are afraid to tell the truth it might be bathists who will kill you B ut i say use some logic…
so we stayed there to make sure and the trade towers were attacked
we eliminated his ability to project power in the region the rest is on iraqis
im hungry
well, that’s just simply bullshit
If a radical ISlamic state forms in part of Iraq — that spreads revolution in the mid-east. Then Saddam was better.
We should just go back to the 1930s and be America Firsters and set up Fortress America.
You really believe even Al Sadyr prferreed Saddam ?
what is?
He says he didnt
ke6i, yeah “IF”
We can worship Charles Lindbergh.
ansd he has lots of followers
I never said what I believed
you think the kurds preferred saddam ?
ke6i, you are good at fiction
that we destroyed his ability to project power …
use logic jhicks
I only reported the results of a published zogby poll
u realy give a shit about iraq right now?
we so did
I’m using perfect logic
well the Sunni have declared the Islamic state in Iraq already.
the iraqi forces were rolled over
the slightest exercise of brain cells tell you 80% is an impossible figure
no value judgments on my poart
rofl
er, part
jhicks, you are reporting bulshit though, and you know it!
he had what, the 4th or 5th largest army?
damn i thought it removed from topics since the iranian threat
a nice air force? after 92 he had shit
Also there ma y be a problem with reading the result accurately
no air force no air defense
I have no degree in statistical analysis, do you?
no scuds nothing man
dehuman, who are u talking about
why were 80% of Iraqis daNCING in the street when Saddam came down ?
So the idea of an ISlamic state in Anbar — there is evidence now for this existing. We don’t know the end result. but it is not a phantom. This is real.
jhicks, no, but I have common sense, Zogby ian’t around Iraq.
heh … your delusions don’t concern me much
isn’t
The ones posed at the saddam statue photo-op?
Or it may be a perception problem and all of the above.
do you really think iraq was a threat to their neighbors after 1992 ? they tried to be, but i dont believe saddam hype
that was indeed a photo-op you know
he was week er weak
Americans think the economy is bad which is absurd..
saddam was all talk after 1992
They dont realize how fucking good we have haD IT
the threat to world peace by allowing Saddam to continue to thumb his nose at us for eleven years was worse after eleven years than it was before
iraq never have been the 4th or the 5th strongest army
unevenly distributed good economy somewhat
The economy is always bad when I’m not making six figures, FT.
listen ocdoc, sticks and stones
and what typically would have happened in a post stock market bubble
saddam couldnt have got vert far out of baghdad before he came under the scope of the no fly zones
like, arkansas sucks for example
by your logic kim jong il should have been dead long ago
it could hav e been a 3 year major recession
talk about thumbing a nosse
and its a small miracle it wasnt
that fucker shot a missile at alaska
when things g o that high they often fall that low
and detonated a nuke
especpeically a bubble economy
“It ain’t over yet”
under clintons final year
i dont buy that saddam was any more than hot air after 1992 trying to agitate and provoke a giant cause he was bitter, matter of pride
well he did sorta kill a bunch of people trying to overthrow him
Yeah and Saddam hated the Israelis and supported suicide bombers. But 1/4 the planet hates Israel. and a lot of other mid-east countries support hamas and fighters in Israel.
sometimes thats how it goes
I imagine that’s the reception overthrowers get in most capitals
NK didnt shoot a missile at alaska
honestly we need to examine sovereignty
or I gurantee you he would be petrified by now
material support to PLO and other various palestinian terror orgs over the year is ME tradition..
ke6i
i mean literaly like dead
maybe 1/4 of the planet DONT hate israel
he shot a missile up toward the ocean and it failed
and saddam hates us because we bombed his nuclear reactor
qwhat ?
if one nation doesn’t violate another’s sovereignty, who cares what they do to the border
we’re still IN south korea because of the threat north korea poses … or have you forgotten that little point?
well south korea said it hit alaska
well by my counting it would be 3/4 the planet doesn’thate Israel.
but they are nuts
dehuman it didnt
we killed his “Tamuz-1″ nuclear reactor in 1982
in reality it did come with like 200 miles or something
I dont know Where you heard that
i read so many books about israel wars, im a fuckin history book now ;D
thats pretty fucking close from n korea
we would have bombed nk into the stone age had they hit alaska
i’m not talking about this past july 4th
just because you have tunnel vision and choose to pick your facts and ignore huge masses of other facts doesn’t make you brilliant
before that
Saddam fucked up when 1) he launched scuds at israel 2) he gave money to sucide bomber’s families
They have never hit alaska they have never had a missile go that far
no i dont agree they hit alaska but i think our guys put at like 250 miles thats pretty close
saddams problem was he thought the US wouldnt intervene in kuwait.. and he dug his heels in when it became clear they would intervene.. he should have left.. he could have even got concessions from kuwait in the process
you dont agree, they hit alaska ?
But we’re saying that Saudi and Kuwaiti money doesn’t end up supporting Palestinians and their war? We look the other way when it is convenient.
You can prove it gooogle it
they didn’t hit alaska, but close enuff yah i know
