11.30.07
Yaakov do you feel that you and your ashkenazim relatives are on average more successful in school and other measurements
Spread the cost.. spread the tax
yup i agree
well… let’s just say there isn’t a fixed amount of money in the world
bbl
ok
and most illegals who work for a legitimate business get paid by check so they pay into SS and Medicare
they take out more than they put in
lol @ gopp’s quitting msg
there’s really no way to reliably quantify that.
that’s a fact
and thereby support me in my old age
god dont give shit, there is no god
And again I dont care what color this country is that isnt our heritage, our heritage is embodied in ideals and ideas, and thats what we need to teach and preserve.
nonsense
hah
you are just uninformed
who’s “they”
how many illegals have health insurance?
how do they take out?
And if its a coal black nation in 100 years which is capitalist, liberty loving tolerant, and non racist, then god bless them but that isnt going to happen
going to hospitals in la and never paying
FreeMarkts - one of those “ideals” is the rule of law, which supporters of illegal immigration are FLAGRANTLY violating.
But I am trying to make a point
that’s how
most illegals in nyc go to clinics, and DO pay
Who picks up the tab? US
i guess you californians are just lazy
trapezoid picks up the tab cause he’s cool like that
I’m from Iowa buddy
Cubans likes GOPP I am proud to have him in america as long as he learns american ideals and capitalist ideals which made this country
even worse
I’m not a west coast liberal
I send all my bills to trapezoid
where the fuck IS iowa anyway?
he handles it
And tolerance for others of course is a hallmark of US history
i enjoy it
It’s where most of your ethanol comes from you dipshit
fuck off
tsk tsk
we may not of always treated the irish well but we did let them in so they wouldnt starve during the potato famine
If I had it my way, we would just feed illegals to the lions
Im not talking perfection but we have been a generous country and we have helped many a immigrant in our history
well, fortunately you do not have your way
Oh yeah
we are a nation of immigrants even though I am from one of the oldest families in America
Come down into my basement
and where would you find the lions?
anyway it’s between nebraska and illinois
freemrkt - there is no such litmus test like that for being American, or living in America. You can legally import your own ideals and impart them upon others in the society.
heh
Actually, I wouldn’t do that and I DO mostly agree with you trapezoid belive it or not
and also between north dakota and missouro missouri
I’m from one of the older families too, the ones that slaughtered the natives
I hate the fact that we have this moronic way of life for said people
oop
I wish there were no countries
ok, i wasn’t really trying to insult you before
why?
there is a .54 ? Thats very close import tax on ethanol there should be 0 all so that the people who grow corn and cane can get subsidies. thats wrong
why should there be?
err between minnesota and missouri I mean
wre could be burning clean alcohol now right now
ther is only one world
Trapezoid - I agree that the people who come here to work illegally are not the problem. the issue is in what’s compelling them to do it, and what’s driving that compusion.
to divide humans into competing groups competition is good..
Remove the subsidy barak obama supported
that can exist in the same country
Remove the tarrif
growing corn aparently isn’t the best way to get ethenol
no, because we do not know which legal system is best
the desire to better themselves, and their children
so we must allow for different countries with different laws to exist
we don’t?
we could use 10% alcohol in gasoline with no changes to cars. immediately
it is not as if the us is so crowded, yet
because a single country means that there is a single legal system which cannot be perfect
nothing is going to be perfect
so there must be competition between legal systems, this is essential
but ours is clearly the best
its not hard to build an engine that can run on deisel
countries are essential
no
Clean energy, helps meet epa standards
yes
trapezoid - yes, i have no problem with that, and fully understand and sympathize with it. I don’t like that that desire is being exploited by those who wish to undermine domestic markets and violate domestic law.
and yet there is a .54 a gallon tax on importing ethanol Thats criminal
Brazil produces something like 3-4 times as much ethanol as the US. If we were to produce that much, it would hardly put a dent in our consumption of oil.
Thats disgusting
it’s criminal!
I agree
countrieS produce child slavery and child porno/rape and sweatshops that no one cares about
its subsideees for the oil companies
You don’t see that in the US ever
like thye really need it
brazil uses sugar to make ethanol
picotero - Ethanol as a solution to energy dependence is a total crap shoot.
Pico I figure at most its possible to get 10% ethanol for car energy use.
if the us used sugar, it would be way cheaper
you cn probably go to brazil and buy a 10 year old boy to rape all day
ppc = troll
That doesnt count the energy use for homes, the electrical grid industry etc.
uh, what?
hey if you guy him, it’s not rape
the only people who really support ethanol are those who stand to financially benefit from it.
*buy
sugarcane
US-Male: good point
barry right
What is this rape shit have to do with anything we are debating ?
and the usa needs to use switchgras
Why was that put into the debate ?
because that stuff can grow almost anywhere
We are talking about why countrieS are bad
brazil is not bad
and why there should only be one
Well 10% would be supstantial.
it grows on land we can’t otherwise farm
it has a number of poor people though
And if we can import it from Brazil by god right now, and if we can do it cost effectively what in the fuck are we waiting for ?
thebarry, I was wondering if it could be produced from lawn clippings
Remove the tax.
10% is over half of what we get from saudi iirc
the problem is that the us has sugar subsidies
FreeMrkts - Do you realize how difficult even achieving that level is ?
picotero, look up cellulose
so you are a proponent of a new world order?
I wonder if the people understood this was being taxed and if they understand the lies used to promote the tax.
I guess so
you want a single entity to rule over all humans?
yes
ppc how will it be chosen
perhaps a 2nd entity to rule over animals
we are animals
animals have no rights only privileges
I am a hue-mon.
i will rule
and tasty meat
http://www.harvestcleanenergy.org/enews/enews_0505/enews_0505_Cellulosic_Ethanol.htm
I like the US system the best
Yaakov i know you are more of a jew-man
If we reduce/remove the taxes on ethanol, then we should also do the same for petroleum. We should remove ALL taxes on all energy sources and let them duke it out to see which is best.
with afew modifications hahahaha
net enegy content is how much energy you make compareed to how much energy you use
All taxes and all subsidies
picotero - Ethanol would be KILLED with out corn subsidies.
then where does the money come for the roads?
if cellulosic ethanol gets rolling
is “jew” supposed to be different from human ?
ppc, the general fund
that will be the end of our energy needs
US-Male: no, all jews are human
Good kids. they called me and checked in with me.. I like that
I don’t know much about the general fund
do tell.
well actually jesus wasn’t human so most jews are human but jesus was a jew
well jesus wasn’t areal person
tell us more about Jews
so it doesn’t matter
rnx, Lets leave jew out of it,
I tied to call and check in with you but I couldn’t find your number.
Are you anti semitic ?
I’d like ot see your views aired clearly
not at all
Because if so I will remove you now.
hmm
I have no problem with jews whatsoever. I support Israel.
not very free eh?
then why did you use that term with Yaakov my good friend ?
actually, I don’t support israel
It was just a bad joke.
not that I dont’ like jews
“Jew” is not an ephiteht.
ppc, it could be called other things, but basically the big pit where they throw all taxes before they divy it up between the special interest groups.
Indeed, it was a bad pun.
epithet, eitehr.
Yaak ahh ok, Sorry
I just hate the idea of people being divided like that
He said “I am a hue-mon” So I made a bad pun.
Either, as well.
I know what it is but I don’t know how it works
Thats why I ask I want to make sure. I dont like to ban people without being sure
a pun on the pronounciation of “human”
I don’t like to see “jew” being differnetiate from “human”
Ok back to debate
if it was a bad joke, so be it
jew is only a religion judaism i should say
it’s also a race
no it’s not
I think it is
i know it isn’t
IM trying to think of a jewish joke but I cant..
its really not a “race” in any meaningful way.
It’s a common myth
Is it true that the jews are an ethnic group?
no
Wherever you find 4 jews you will find 5 opinions..
*differentiated rather
no??
hebrew, pissibly possibly
hebrew is a language
Jews are a tribe.
Those are complimentary jokes though
cultural, mostly. there’s no signfiicant genetic differentiation with other semitic groups such as arabs.
hehe…
Jews are God’s chosen people.
We have rules about who is and can be a member, and we accept new members.
“jews” comes from the decendants of the 12 tribes of abraham
The rest of us are animals.
give me a break that’s about as reliable as myspace
Yaakov I just want to be sure.. you are jewish, right?
Dis thats obvious, if the bible is correct they both share the same paternal ancestor Abraham. the father of the jews and the muslims or arabs. In theory
We’ve lost the distinctions of the 12 tribes, so we are now essentially one instead of the federation.
who cares jews are not a race
But it is most like a tribe, or a family.
God promised both people good things, according to genesis..
okay, there are many jewish subgroups
I am a Jew.
the ashkenazi jews the sephardic jews the ethiopia beta israel jews
Sure we all know this.
the russian jews
God doesn’t exist
so I agree, jews are not a single ethnic group
So god didn’t do anything
“sephardi” or “ashkenazik” To be consistent.
The ahhh jew. Bless you.
sigh.. what about the great Dutch! Well we used to be great.. Not so much anymore.
old news
Holland?
we used to be very tolerant, not so much anymore.
whitey!
I actually want to move there
lol
Dutch are really tall.
We can go to war with my old people for all I care..
I hear that The Jew cause many problems in glorious nation of Kazahkstan.
Anyway, if you want to call “Jews” something akin to “race”, “tribe” is probably closest.
Socialists!@
Average height is 6′2″ in the Netherlands.
damn Maybe that’s why all the good kickboxers come from there?
Yaak, I prefer the term ethnicity but thats me, I deny the existance of race factually.
I should have been dutch
Colloquially I believe in race as a term we can use to generalize
For example, I posit that the Ashkenazim jews have a genetic makeup that is different from the nearby ethnic groups, enough to differenciate them by their attributes
But scientifically its weak
The problem is that there are some very distinctive ethnic groups that comprise “The Jews”.
there is no known relation better black aborigines and black africans for example. they are no more similar than europeans and aborignes
For example, the ashkenazim jews consistantly score with the highest IQ and SAT scores on earth
I deny the existence of dog breeds. They are all Canis lupus familiaris, and all dogs are the same.
And we DO have rules about membership and accept “strangers” as members. So we look a lot like a tribe.
Except some physical charcteristics.
Free - but those two groups have never been included in the same “race,” though.
genetically its not there
and produce far more than their fair share of nobel prize winners
attacks. In fact, Rice had a National Security Presidential Directive to launch a new covert war against bin Laden set to go to Bush on September 10, 2001. It was NSPD-9, meaning eight other foreign policy matters had been formally debated, agreed on and signed by the president as administration policy before the plan to go after bin Laden.
so nature or nurture or both? I say both
in fact genetically there is very little difference between us all, there is some but its miniscule.
exactly
Yaak, Yes an Jew really means more than simply ethnic origin, its a culture and a community
i don’t think you can even tell “race” gentically
Chihuahuas and German Shepherds are both the same species and it would be discriminatory to choose one to guard your house based on its breed.
no all jews belong to this community but the community exists.
FreeMrkts - actually that’s not true…recent evidence says taht individuals can genetically differ by as much as 12%
Ita an identity.
What do you guys think about a negative income tax then abolishing welfare?
huh?
Disbelief, I am talking about races not individuals and I dispute your 12% Show me and prove it to me and I will believe you
WELCOME RACE FANS
There will always be some part of society that isn’t able to work
It’s a NASCAR thing.
can the iraq be saved? if so, how ?
Yaakov are you an ashkenazim jew
Some say we are withing 2% of primates, how can that be true if we are 12% different from our own species
yeah, couple of fat boys
ppc, a flat tax of, say, 25%, but each taxpayer would also be given $10,000 by the government
what do you mean fat boys ?
I come from a Polish and Hungarian background. Definitely Ashkenaz.
Not that I read that or saw that, I have seen people who I trust claim that.
ppc, Thus a person earning only $4000 per year would pay $1000 in taxes, but overall would receive a net gain of $9,000 from the government. A person making $40,000 would be at the break-even point and would neither pay taxes nor receive any benefits
Where they got it I dont know.
Free - here’s a related story: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20812142-30417,00.html
ppc, A person making $1,000,000 per year would pay close to the full 25% tax, as the $10,000 would count little towards relieving the tax burden
Yaakov and you are american?
100%
I like that idea
i say lower taxes for the poor and raise taxes for the filthy rich sounds like a good idea to me
your poor tho
nah im middle class
Herzen, and a banana would cost $10,000.01
actually im going to make 30 grand this year and im single
and the ‘filthy rich’ already pay a ridiculous amount of the tax burden
haha
Yaakov do you feel that you and your ashkenazim relatives are, on average, more successful in school and other measurements of mental ability, than the average american, including all ethnic subgroups present in america except for ashkenazim jews?
and even if i was poor herzen, so what ? poor people need the money more than the filhty rich
Although anthropologists thus no longer classify populations in terms of races, they do recognize that human populations exhibit diverse phenotypes. Different traits are, for example, very useful in the field of forensic anthropology. A forensic anthropologist must extract as much information as possible to assist in the identification of an individual.
how is it ridiculous to pay a lot of money
after taxes i’ll have about 48 USD take home
if you have lots of money
and i’m single 48k
It’s logical Not ridiculous
it would be logical if they paid a proportionate amount
Purpdank how do you lower taxes on people who already get more back than they pay in.
You know what I would like to see before people with more money Is government TAKE less money period.
i.e. 25% of their income of 1 million would be 250k, or 25% of their income of 20k being 5k
yeah the only difference between giving tax breaks to the rich and the poor is the poor can use it for rthings they really need like food and housing. while the rich can use it to buy themselves a new lexus
Then we wouldn’t have this dumb discussions -s
bud thats not true..no one gets more money back than they pay in
Purpdank, actually the rich usually invest it which helps society overall
oh yeah!
Purpdank, ohhhhh yes they do
Anecdotal evidence suggests that and studies seem to back it up. I don’t know, I just know that I meet Jews at the leading edge of every endeavour I pursue and that makes little sense based on population.
They found that 95% of the DNA variation they studied is due to differences between individuals within any continent. But they also found they could use the remaining 5% of the variation as genetic “footprints” indicating the continent from which an individual’s recent ancestors came.
The rich invest it in a mcdonalds so you can go to work
purpdank - agreed.
you should be happy you have a mcjob! Thanks rich people!
Yaakov I agree
ppc, err thats a spurious argument
haaha what a joke
herzen and the poor use it to help their children, which helps society
ppc - heh
Some were quick to interpret these results as evidence that old-fashioned notions of the “races of man” have been correct all along. But does it? What do these studies actually tell us? And why should our interpretations matter?
Actually, that’s accurate.
The most insidious taxes are corporate and business taxes
something is wrong when the poor are getting poorer and the rich are getting richer, it just doesnt add up…unless of course you’re rich then it makes perfect sense
Yaakov do you believe that this is purely a function of the jewish culture and nurture, or that it has (among other factors) to do with the ashkenazim genetics, which tend to produce more intelligent individuals?
Purpdank so a single mother with an income of $15k who has a taxable income of $0 and gets credits for her dependants as well as EIC and other credits pays more than she gets back? can you explain how you arrive at that
Purpdank, the poor aren’t getting poorer, that is a lie.
The idea of biological race assumes traits come packaged together, even color-coded for our convenience, as anthropologist Jonathan Marks jokes. In otherwords, if biological race were real, we’d find that skin color or other “racial” markers would correlate with a suite of other genetic traits. Knowing an individual’s “race” should enable us to predict his or her other genes and traits
Purpdank, The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting richer.
That is true Because as time goes on people have more things and everyone wants more things
herzen nope
except the people with more things
Overall the standard of living for the poor has RISEN
have WAY MORE THINGS
In North America
The poor aren’t getting richer. The poor are getting less poor.
brb pizzas here
picotero, same shit
good way to put it
yes our poor have cable tv and dvd players
Purpdank wow, saved by the doorbell
Can’t get “richer” unless you’re already rich.
I don’t know the cause but microevolution seems to offer an explanation. On the other hand, I am a religious Jew and since it matches what the Torah predicts, I am not convinced that whatever the mechanism, it is a matter of chance.
Pay attention to this folks, this is very important to knowlege of race and genetics:
There is a top, ther is a bottom
alleles that code for blue eyes, or the A, B, O blood groups, and of course, those alleles that influence skin color . (We all have the same 30,000 or so genes. But some genes come in different forms, or varieties, called alleles.) We all have the same 30k or so genes
Yaakov you mean to say you believe that you are the “chosen people” ?
give me a break I hope not
That’s because most human variation falls within, not between populations. About 85% of all genetic variation can, on average, be found within any local population, be they Swedes, Kikuyu, or Hmong. About 94% can be found within any continental population, consistent with what the Rosenberg Science study found. In fact, there are no characteristics, no traits, not even one gene that turns up in all members of one so-called race y
The Eurpoean experience for Jews forced them into vocations that required thinking. The successful ones were successful thinkers. No.
I see, so the political climate forced the jews to be bright and the holocaust was.. there is no word to describe the horrors of the holocaust
you think I should pay the same amount of tax as a multi millionaire?
FreeMrkts did you see they are going to be revising a lot of that stuff due to some recent research developments and discoveries
The entire concept of “Chosen People” has been distorted and confused. Assuming that we ARE the “Chosen People” a look at history will show what we have been chosen for–it isn’t exactly pleasant.
ppc, No. I think you should pay the same proportion of tax as a multimillionaire.
ppc - don’t be silly! Of course he doesn’t. he thinks you should pay MORE.
Woah, lets understand the meaning of chosen people, there are theological differences in what this mean, Some theologians believes its a burdon. LIke the guy who carried the ring in the lord of the ring.. Seriously
im sure there are genes for black skin or white skin
this is a good example
Why?
If I were unemployed, I’d rather get a job building Lexuses than get a tax break.
it’s rather highly inheritable
Purpdank is ‘poor’ so can only afford to order $15 pizza delivery instead of stocking up on $20 worth of froceries that will last days
heh
Yaakov to make another bad pun, what doesn’t kill jews. makes jews stronger
bud im not poor
ppc, because under such a tax scheme, the wealthy and the people who work hard to get ahead will not be punished by regressive tax hikes for their success.
dont troll bud
Purpdank anyways answer the q Purpdank so a single mother with an income of $15k who has a taxable income of $0 and gets credits for her dependants as well as EIC and other credits pays more than she gets back? can you explain how you arrive at that
bud`: What are “froceries?”
dunno, im not gonna respond to someone who trolls and lies about me just cause they disagree on a topic
Is that some new kind of fad? (;
thats childish
Anyone who participates in the economy will be treated the same
MY understanding of “Chosen People” isn’t based on a zero-sum game. The Jews were chosen for a potentially enboling role that includes extra rigor–but the non-Jews are not made less by it. If a non-Jew is righteous, he is the equal of a righteous Jew for all practical purposes. So being “Chosen” is illusory.
Froceries = “Fucking Groceries”
You guys watching this Everest show on Discovery channel? Crazy shit
and not all people “work hard”
Bud what type of revisements ?
Purpdank how can you lower her taxes any more, when she receives thousands in ‘tax returns’ despite having $0 taxable income
Some people, many, are born with a silver spoon in their ass
ppc, thats a weak argument
Herzen - are you for the “Fair Tax” ?
Yaakov I see, so non-jews are worth as much as jews?
I have a wooden spoon .. ;p
I’m all for debate
i got a gold spoon, fuck silver
That is my understanding of the Torah, yes.
disbelief, actually i’ve been reading about this tax scheme that Milton Friedman proposed, called the negative income tax
Yaakov however, you would not value them as much, especially if they are opposed to Israel
PEOPLE are the thing.
You know he called himself a liberal?
Er… huh?
ppc, I call myself a Liberal
FreeMrkts the gist of it is we are not all as identical as previously thought, i would have to hunt for the news, its about a week old
so do I i mean, me not you
ppc, Not a liberal in the modern, post-1930s, and 1960s sense
Born with a Plastic Sprork up my ass
Yaakov is the life of someone opposed to Israel worth, to you, as much as the life of someone supportive of Israel?
ppc, but the same kind of Liberal as Milton Friedman, a Classical Liberal ppc, and an economic liberal
I do not distinguish between Jews and non-Jews EXCEPT in the same way that I would between a neighbor and a member of my own family.
better ideas always show up
Jews form a huge extended family.
It makes no sense to use them if they exist err
rnx, all but the most insane jews do not believe non jews are better than other humans. Thats been my experience..Christians arguably can be said to be chosen people. Since christians believe only christians can go to heaven.
NOT to use them
ppc, which better ideas are those?
Well not all christians beleive that
are non pigmy eskimo lesbian dwarves with Latvian surnames worth as much as Pigmy eskimo lesbian dwarves with Latvian surnames or are they just wanna bes?
the main reason im a democrat is cause i beleive strongly in cutting back pollution and what not, i think global warming is much more of a threat than terriosm (although terriosm is a huge threat)
Herzen - you’re for what is known as neo-liberal economics.
I am extremely ambivalent about the State of Israel.
but it is a literal christian tenent.
we will findout
disbelief, or classical liberal economics, either or.
Yaakov so when outsiders, outside your extended family, decide to attack your extended family with weapons, can you support those outsiders? Can you value their lives as much as you value the lives of your extended family?
I would err on the side of supporting its EXISTENCE but its government is disturbing.
Frankly, classical liberal economics and free market economics has created a standard of living and wealth in our society unapproachable by the wealth of any other peroid in history
Herzen - so what do you like about Friedman’s scheme ?
Yaak, Your not the only jew is which is what a lot of people dont understand. And historically its been even more true.
that doesn’t really prove anything
Jews are an excellent source of genetic information due to multigenerational inbreeding and meticulous familial records
The poor in our society live better than they ever have in previous eras of history
as time goes, things should get better
You guys should listen to Yaak and get another viewpoint of judaism which is important to understand.
they are getting better, lol.
The discovery has astonished scientists studying the human genome - the genetic recipe of man. Until now it was believed the variation between people was due largely to differences in the sequences of the individual ” letters” of the genome.
When hasn’t things gotten better?
Yaakov have you tried to help Israel? Do you feel any drive to improve Israel?
I agree they are
Yaakov or have you forsaken that land?
rnx, thats not fair
that is, Askanazi Jews provide a good scientific benchmark similar to bristle cone pines
that sounds borderline racist
herzen how can you say that when the min wage was the same 20 yrs ago as it is today..cost of living has increased byut the pay hasnt
at what point in history have things went backwards besides christianity in america
what why?
Your argument is question begging. I do not believe that “support of Israel” is the same as self-defense for Jews. I think that it is possible for Israel to make mistakes EVEN IF the Palestinians are a genuine threat.
Purpdank, few people make minimum wage, and the federal minimum wage is often superceded by state minimum wages, AND the standard of living for the poor has statistically increased.
of coruse Yaakov
Purpdank I still want to know how you insist the poor get get a tax cut when they get more back than they pay in
because you are laying stereotypical stuff at yaakovs feet and it looks like your either mockign him or guilt tripping him
unfortunately the very factor that makes them ideal for genetic studies, also renders them open to a few genetic conditons that are not so nice
From my view.. Yaak can correct me if I am wrong
even if they do get back more than they put in so what
few people make min wage ???? get out from the rock dude
well, that’s not what I’m trying to do, sorry.
the rich can be rich without the poor working for them to be rich
i dunno about that
Purpdank, no, few people do make minimum wage, I believe it is about 1% of the American workforce
the poor just need to buy Big Macs
few people? haha
herzen back it up with links, dont make up numbers
Yaak, I am not suggesting you are an advocate for arabs.
It isn’t a problem. I think that people generally have unexamined assumptions on issues like this. I pointed out it is question begging. I don’t agree that “support of Israel” is a pre-requisite for support of the Jews living in Israel.
WHo knows anyone making $5.15/hr?
Spehardics and Arabs have a very similar genetic herritage
I am saying you represent a point of view from a jewish perspective which people on this channel do not see as often but exists.
ppc - i think the problem is mainly in the segment of the middle class that isn’t content to be well off, but wants to be ridiculously rich, and will step on others to get there.
doesn’t matter if you knowthem or now or not They exist.
13% of americans are below poverty
Yaakov I think you’re obscuring your real position
yup ppc
I garuntee they know people making that rate
hi
and hebrew and arabic are almost as close as say Spanish and Romanian
Ask them when you find one
abum, the poverty level in teh United States is a joke
Yaakov I don’t know how you feel about Israel other than ‘ambivalent’
I realize your beliefs are much more complex than A stereotype
They can introduce you to their co workers
yea, try living at it, then tell me it’s a joke
both derived from the same lingustic root
abum, Frankly, people in the truly poor countries wish they could have the standard of living of the “poor” in the U.S. Get some perspective
i hardly agree with FreeMrkts anymore.
also herzen it doesnt matter how small the % is…the point is that % is making the same they were 20yrs ago and they are the poorest of the poor in america so you cant say they are making more or are richer, cause they arent
please
ppc - Herzen’s canadian. He doesn’t really know what he’s talking about : )
It’s good in america it’s simple worse in other countries
I have many friends living in Israel and if it appeared to me that Israel was in danger of being overrun, or their lives were in more danger than living in any other country, I very likely would choose to act.
Yaak, a lot of people only think there are two kinds of jews with two major points of view. I think its education if they learn there is more educational
The ‘poor’ in America have two-tvs and a car. Lol
i think there are far more than two kinds of jews
Two major classes
Herzen is correct
poverty level is defined as 3x needed to for cost of nutritional diet
and are in debt up to their eyes
not even herzen, i know plenty of people who cant afford cars
Ok, and I am not saying you
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and can’t get health care they can afford
I am saying a lot of non jews see it that way
no he isnt, most really poor people in america dont have cars
well, a lot of non-jews are wrong
And there are a lot of jewish views.
Cars and tv’s are cheap
obviously you guys have never ridden the bus
this is a truism..
most “poor Americans” don’t know what poverty means in a global sense
yes they do
Herzen believes a lot of the zany myths about poverty.
in a global sense of course…we are talking about america though
false.
not some 3rd world country
true
false
no us-male is right
true
but we arent talking about the world
false.
we are talking about america
true.
false
* Forty-six percent of all poor households actually own their own homes. The average home owned by persons classified as poor by the Census Bureau is a three-bedroom house with one-and-a-half baths, a garage, and a porch or patio.
false
true,
abum, you realize that you’re wrong don’t you?
abum; false
so what?
I remember WWII and its aftermath. I realize that Israel is not an ordinary place. I don’t feel specially safe in the US from the historical repitition of persecution of the Jews. If Israel was gone there would be no place that Jews could go, so to that extent I am CERTAINLY a supporter of the land of Israel.
# # Seventy-six percent of poor households have air conditioning. By contrast, 30 years ago, only 36 percent of the entire U.S. population enjoyed air conditioning.
abum is the weakest link
abum; false
The standard of living is high in the us
I am ambivalent about the STATE of Israel and its government, though.
but there is a top and a bottom
The average poor American has more living space than the average individual living in Paris, London, Vienna, Athens, and other cities throughout Europe. (These comparisons are to the average citizens in foreign countries, not to those classified as poor.)
Herzen is quite correct.
Nearly three-quarters of poor households own a car; 30 percent own two or more cars.
herzen whats your point ? advances in air condition has improved…ok ?
CARS ARE CHEAP IN HE US So what??
Yaakov if you were an israeli jew, what israeli political party do you think you’d support right now?
Jesus christ
But the top and bottom started expanding sharply in the 1970s
Purpdank, My point is, the “poor are getting poorer” argument is FALSE, because clearly CONDITIONS for the ‘poor’ in America have IMPROVED over time!
I know of none.
Purpdank, that and, you’re full of shit
ppc - the problem is that there is a perverse curve to wealth per capita.
so you cant blame it on political party because thats factucally false
well ppc according to herzen if you own a car you cant possibly be poor
Just like in the US.
I know ther is
Yaakov there’s no lesser evil? You’re rather not vote?
The bottom has risen and the top has super risen
Yaakov you think that no party is less worse?
The rich are getting richer, and the poor are getting richer!
Thats the only true way you can understand it
apparently Herzen doesn’t know anyone LIVING out of their car
how do you figure
Its amazing the wonders that market capitalism has brought
ppc - heh
the bottome are much richer the rich are much much much richer. As long as the bottom get richer and the power of the rich doesnt get more than the rest of us we are ok.
if you have a car, you are rich
Ninety-seven percent of poor households have a color television; over half own two or more color televisions.
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