10.31.07
Gromit- thats one of the first things you learn elections only count when democrats win Bush won three elections
well…Lupine|, if Congress the people who make the laws…can make no laws…it implies that any restrictions to free speech is unconstitutional.
sure, but it doesn’t mean that anyone _has_ the right to free speech it is like saying “Congress shall make no law prohibiting the right to ignore gravity”.. it doens’t mean anyone has the right to ignore gravity or even the ability to due so
how so….if the legislature cannot make any laws to restrict free speech…then it is impllied that the right of free speech is reserved to the people already. that all rights listed in the first amendment were pre-reserved by the people
no, it does not. that is just wishful thinking or poor reading
“The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.”
Oh. Bill O’Reilly went to Iraq.
of course.. which again, doesnt’ mean they do have the right to free speech there is nothing in the US constitution itself, that says.. the people have the right to free speech if the founding fathers wanted that, they would have said it.
Lupine|, it’s a implied right….and one of the most important implied right….
yes. “implied” by only wishful thinking and poor reading ability 
I’m sorry…I totally disagree with your reading of the text.
hey, I admire your honestly. not many people would openly disagree that 1+1=2 [ or 0 in a binary system ]
It would bear commenting that whether the original constitution wanted it or not it might be a good way to go.
it is pretty clear that the mere mention that the right existed….in the first amendment meant…that the people had the right and it did not have to be establsihed that a person had the right.
if it is a right, you don’t have to expliciately say the government can not make no laws respecting a prohibition of a right if they can pass a law prohibiting it, it isn’t a right.. now isit?
I’m sorry…I’m rejecting the legal positivism argument that if a right was not explicited defined as being reserved to the people it is invalid.
So if it’s a right you can’t write about it?
Lupine|, they cannot….if you follow the text of the Constitution…”Congress shall pass no law…”
but if it is a right, there is no need to say “Congress shall pass no law…”
the Courts have defined it differently….but Justice Black as I said….though the first amendment should be textually interpretted.
well sure.. the courts have defined “public use” to mean “private use”
Lupine|, then by your logic…the second amendment need not be placed explicitly…
Want a good tip?
if “weapon ownership” is a right…then it need not have been written down in the document.
INvest GMarket
the 2nd amendment doesn’t mention weapon
“A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”
may I suggest you re-read the contitution and the amendments.. then come back ?
so what else can arms mean?
when Democrats and leftists get as worked up over attacks on the second amendment as they do the first, call me.
” a means (as a weapon) of offense or defense”
no kidding “the” dictionary? or “a” dictionary?
people shouldn’t have weapons, it makes it harder to round them up
Merriam-Webster dictionary…a dictionary…but see if you can find another definition that isn’t similar to the one that I just provided.
so, this is the recognized dictionary for constitutional word usage?
nothing wrong with supporting or agreeing with one amendment more than another, what’s wrong is that the anti-gun arguments don’t make sense as they obviously won’t fix any problems in reality. In a fantasy world, where it’s possible to remove all guns and stop criminals from having them, perhaps gun bans would make sense. In the REAL world, where gun bans result in criminals having guns and innocent civilians NOT having guns….it’s just insane
I prefer the definition of arms “POWER, MIGHT the long arm of the law”
power and might can only get you so far.
Um
Lupine|, then go back and get a 18th century dictionary…and provide me a defintion for arms.
The recognized dictionary for constitutional word usage in the United States is Black’s Law Dictionary
sure, but it IS wrong to take the oath of office, and then actively ignore an amendment
becuase there is no “constitutional” dictionary….
Herzen really?
Yes
sorry, it was your claim.. your need to backup sufficiently 
damn it !
but if you have weapons, you might shoot and wound one of my troopers that are out to round people up that disagree with my views when I take over the world but if you have weapons, you might shoot and wound one of my troopers that are out to round people up that disagree with my views when I take over the world
TrekkerCC, SCOTUS uses Black Law Dictionary
I would certainly agree lupine with that lupine, I wasn’t following the whole conversation I just popped in. err bah teach me to edit my sentences ;/
Lupine|, you proving with your own actions that the constitution is open to interpretation…and thus each citizen will have their own single interpretation of the document.
suna gets one right.
that’s politics DarthBurg!!
TrekkerCC and as I said awhle back.. what you or I think is constitutional or unconstitutional is irrelevent
TrekkerCC North Korea says it will not consider halting its nuclear programme unless UN sanctions imposed after it tested a nuclear device in October are lifted.
Looks like they’ve almost got this solar-array panel folded count me as suprised!
that solar panel kicked nasa’s ass!
So nice of them to try and fix the Russian Space Hotel
who built it? Microsoft?
$2billion dollars and they’re having issues with a venetian blind
we should let bill have a space station Lupine| its french?
you know what I can’t figure? for only $20mill why the hell arn’t people lining up to go? i mean the rich aethletes, the bill gates etc
It’s the Russians space station anyways, America won’t have space access soon when the shuttles are retired
do you know how to make a venetian blind?
give him some isopropyl alchohol and tell him its scotch
Lupine|…it is relevant…..to what I think is constitutonal and unconstitutional…..the government is “by the people”
rotfl
Maybe America can buy Chinese space rockets from Walmart
Lupine|, rofl
WotGorila with lourael guidance systems. powered by PS3’s
That’s one of the more genuinely funny things I’ve seen on here in a long time.
that’s why the ACLU will file in court if they find a law unconstitutional…and why conservative legal groups file suit if they think a law or act is unconstitutonal….
strange how the ACLU only cares about “the rights’ of pedophiles… but not of an average american in NYC who wishes to enjoy the rights of his second amendment
TrekkerCC well, since gun laws are unconsitutional, your for the people by the people is really for the lawyers buy the lawyers Dick Cheney got it right, shoot the lawyers
Lupine|, it has hisotrically defended groups (like Nazis) that wanted to march…it defense people generlaly that other people don’t want to see defended….which is why i look up to the group
Lupine|, that average american doesn’t have that right according to the ACLU
only 4 more years of shuttle flights anyways, and the replacement is about 20 years away
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-pot18dec18,0,5264617.story?coll=la-home-headlines
you look up to people that protect the nazis?
the Anti Civil Liberties Union’s great claim to fame is getting death penalty cases over turned on false DNA information.
i support nazis
false DNA?
but why do they ignore defending lawfuil americans who simply want their basic rights?
KoBushi cooked it up in a lab.
i support ACLU and not laws that can throw people in jail for researching the holocaust
KoBushi it was in the news, back in the nineties
Not all Nazis are bad, without nazis we wouldn’t have NASA
DarthBurg I was in my teens in the 90s
Wot:L speaking of which, I met the Pad Fuhrer myself last summer
why do you suppose the american nazis wanted to march in Skokie, IL, a predominately Jewish town?
er, well… I wasn’t actually in my teens until 93
I think there is only one Nazi still working at Nasa
BillFrugg the excellent BBQ’s?
dras, the holocaust happened. what’s to research?
DarthBurg, well….then have the DNA tested again….the COurts do not have to them go…..
WotGorila the german rocket engineers didn’t like Nazi’s
but they are persuaded by the evidence they see.
billfrugg details…a proper historical record…
TrekkerCC to late. TrekkerCC way way to late.
theres guys sitting in jail just for saying auchwitz didnt have gas chambers
for the same reason they marched in south bend, indiana in the 30’s.
the ACLU causes more harm than it helps, therefore, as the saying goes…
hey in germany thats probably not a bad thing
BillFrugg shoping for new lampshades?
so, do you ACLU fans support the KKK marching through our towns?
not in the US
why can the most perverse forms of pornography and degredation be allowed in europe…but questio nthe holocaust…
DarthBurg, basically, the death penalty is the ultimate penalty…only if there is 100% agreement…should the penalty be even thought to be carried out.
and its off to jail for you
BillFrugg why not, there is a KKK Member in the senate, he has seniority, and he is a democrat.
You don’t even have to go as extreme as the KKK, the ACLU won’t even fight for the right of the Minuteman Project volunteers to demonstrate or join community parades
i dunno, nowadays astronomers/physicists are pretty upset w/ NASA All these complaints about endless restructuring, and they just buy into the retarded political pressure to put men on the moon/mars…which is a dumb (relatively useless scientifically) financial black hole
BillFrugg, yes, because freedom of speech is so important…that even groups we hate should be able to walk our streets in advocation of ideas that most people reject.
they seek to remove every last image of Christ, yet support the KKK and the Nazis
TrekkerCC I prefer to err on the side of caution, if a couple of innocents get put down by the state, its a price I am willing to pay to put the fuckers who DO need to go, down. I know, it sounds bad, but there it is. punish the fuckers all ready
with that much $…they could put every satellite & probe being planned into space, build the new 30m ground based telescope, build the new array of radio telescopes being planned, etc etc etc…and still have plenty of cash left over
thx1138 indeed..
least that’s what my profs tell me
this shit where Libs get all upset over the death penalty and defnd scum bags is beyond the pale.
save tookie monster!
yes, DarthBurg
DarthBurg….so was Strom Thrummand a racist…in the past…even sired a mix daughter….however, I don’t hold it against him….
billfrugg let me know when swastikas start showing up in schools and courthouses
tennie pierce isi a victim! lol
without a goal and a deadline, nasa would NEVER get rid of teh STS
Now, Robert Bryd has reputidated his association with the KKK…and I consider the matter done with….
TrekkerCC I hold it against Nryd tho, who did NOT rescind his racist ways. his fifteen hour filibuster AGAINST civil rights is listed in the senate archives as a 15 hour, 38 minute “Address”
robert byrd is a great man
TrekkerCC apples, oranges.
and may I remind you Strom Thrummand was part of that civil rights filibuster. a republican…
as was Al Gore Senior. TrekkerCC a republican minority whip called for, and got, the sixty votes needed to shut the old fool up.
the death penalty in california and much of the state is a disrespectful joke. I support capital punishment, but i’d much rather there be no death penalty at all than the joke of a system in place in california. Keeping inmates alive for 25 years, out living the families of their victims, and then complaining that the death penalty is too damn cruel….this spits in the face of the victim’s families, the judge, the jury, the DA, everybody
“As a Democrat during his first decade in the Senate, Thurmond once filibustered a civil rights bill for 24 hours and 18 minutes, stopping only when the Senate physician threatened to drag him from the floor. It was the longest filibuster in Senate history.”
it’s just a pathetic govt cop out to avoid dealing with a controversy. Too scared to step up to the plate. Sentence them to death to make those who support capital punishment happy, but never kill anybody to keep the protestors happy. Bullshit
yeah, strom was pretty fired up in those days, when did strom switch parties?
state = country up there, bash bah
As long as Bryd and Thumond reputiates the past….I don’t hold against them.
Strom is dead, and his law making days are over. sadly, the same can not be said of Bryd.
i say.. give the convict a choice: letha l injection or a bullet in the brain
DarthBurg, and Bryd will be dieing in the next few years….
the Donkeys will, no doubt, give him a leadership position. which should just be a hoot.
once a KKK bastard, always a KKK bastard
DarthBurg, civil rights commission, no doubt
maybe he can tell us about white ni**ers again.
He will probably be President Pro Tempore of the Senate….as the most senior member in the Senate of the Democratic party.
I agree lupine, a bullet in the brain is not too cruel for anybody. Innocent civilians die of horrible painful diseases, suffering for years. They get their bones crushed in car accidents, go through many surgeries…only to die 3 days later in the hospital. They get shot in places that actually HURT. They get stabbed. They drown. They get burned to death. A bullet in the brain? cruel? please
they say humans are hard to kill.
they aren’t human
the last thing I want to do is defend some old corrupt senator, but still, people can change and one of the great things about being human is that you can reinvent yourself, that does not mean erasing the past of course.
so, is the guillitine no longer an option?
Trekker President Pro Tempore is the vice President of the USA unless I am confused which is possible.
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BobDobbs Democrats get to reinvent themselves, the same is not true of Republicans. AStrom was the exception, not the rule.
Or is that President Pro Tem? I dont recall. Vice president is the President of the Senate
FreeTra5w, nope, the Vice President is the President of the Senate.
always
President Pro Tempore is 4th in line to the presidency.
Isnt that a fancy word for President of the Senate ? Oh. hmm ok. House Speaker is 3rd
the President Pro Tem is the Senate elected replacement when the Vice President does not want to preside in the Senate.
but to be.. once a murder/rapist/pedophile/nazi/kkk bastard, always a bastard
Byrd.
barf
Generally…the Senate President Pro Tem is the most senior member of the majority party (which will be the Democrats)
Trekker, Thanks I was confused on that I appreciate that.. And note to someone earlier today if I am not sure as I was not I say so If he is still here. And note to someone earlier today if I am not sure as I was not I say so If he is still here.
I am 278,634,825th in line of succession to the presidency.
So if Bush, Cheney, and Pelosi all bit the dust, we’d have President Byrd. So if Bush, Cheney, and Pelosi all bit the dust, we’d have President Byrd.
Yaak, I am 278,634,824 Luser!
However, the President Pro Tem…rarely presides as well….and it is generally staffed out to majority senators (Who are in their freshman terms or other junior senators)
FreeTra5w check out the New York Times right before D-day http://home.comcast.net/~dandafan1/web/nyt.jpg
luz3r hehehe Lupine ok
lol
The kinder side of Adolf and Eva…
Thats fake you know
WASHINGTON Dec 18, 2006 (AP)— Attacks on U.S. and Iraqi troops and Iraqi civilians jumped sharply in recent months to the highest level since Iraq regained its sovereignty in June 2004, the Pentagon told Congress on Monday in the latest indication of that country’s spiraling violence. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2735437 argh
basicallly….the Senate President is mostly powerless…and there isn’t much pestige in the position…as disputes generally are appealed to the Senate as a whole…instead of being decided by the chair.
why do we put up with the sons, wives, etc becoming such strong candidates for presidency? is this really a democracy bwhy do we put up with the sons, wives, etc becoming such strong candidates for presidency? is this really a democracy/b
it’s like thery got what the wanted most
There is no way in hell even the NYT would have printed that or had that information on ww2. But it sure has changed hasnt it!
things in Iraq are getting bad truly are you liberals happyt now?
FreeTra5w one of the best “parodies” i’ve seen in a long time
welcome to 2 years ago
Its a very funny satire though
Helen Thomas to FDR: why can’t the US fight a fair fight”
and in some ways its a sad one.
Publius remember, all of us Right Wingers that said the democrats winning would embolden the terror were effectively censored.
it’s sad because its soo damn true
haha I am with Gates though, Losing is not an option. he sort of BSd the senate. hehehe
The Speaker of the House….in contrast is very powerful…and while the Speaker themselves rarely preside (other than a few minutes each day)…..senior members of the majority party fill in as temporary presiding officers…as the Speaker has a lot of powers in the House.
he got confirmed super fast.
darth its civil war not global terror, you ass monkey and it was inevitable
but his intent is to bring the troops home by winning..
at least you stopped using the “sectarian violence” bumpersticker
civil war? in Iraq? so… what are the syrian and Iranian regulars in uniform called? lost?
we have already lost the enemy can see the country is divided and all they have to do is wait us out
[/end political science 101 lesson for today]
syrian and iranians huh
ayup.
did rush tell u that
we got iranian arms turning up in Iraq less n a year old. complete with a rigger puller.
DAMNIT!
trigger.
rush then?
Every time I throttle up my backup I get a error msg damnit
is that like the “WMD ” we found that the right insisted the mainstream media was just ignoring? you damn dittohead
DarthBurg, realistically…it would be to Irans advantage if Iraq were to have a Shia majority.
maybe this program is also interferring with my GHOST backup Hey Yaak To you think a VNC Could interfere with a GHOST backup ? Or could my giving it too much resouces kill it ?
dras, I am osrry if these little bumps of reality upset your fantasy. its not my fault. a casual perusal of the military blogs will tell anyone with a working brain the reports of civil war in iraq are laughable at best, treason at the worst. but, its a free country, figure it out for yourself.
The norton log just sais failure says
my fantasy … LOL the right really are off their rockers
Doesn’t seem likely but I haven’t used Ghost in a LONG time.
Whoa, this was some crazy shit… Any of you know much about the telephone communications world?
i read it on the internet, it must be true (as long as it supports my emtpyheaded stubborn ass)
well, point in fact, some WMD were found in Iraq, granted not in the quantities we were told. Uranium, Neat litte ice cream trucks, perfectly illegal chemical shells (Empty) and enough pesticides to spray all of the middle east. but hey, Bush is the bad guy.
lol i knew it DITTOHEADDDDD
is that supposed to be an insult?
What % of stock market investors are male do you think? 90%?
to most sane and educated people yes darthburg
BONO upset that dem partisanship in congress is preventing money Bush wants to use to fight poverty and illness being used awww
dras, did you have something constructive to offer beyond Bush Lied?
yea.. Bush Lied, People Died!
or anything beyond the bald faced lie “We did not find any WMD in Iraq”
After meetings with incoming Senate Majority Leader Reid, House Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Democrats on the House Appropriations Committee, Bono said he came away empty-handed. “I’m alarmed we could not get a commitment from the Democratic leadership to prevent the loss of $1 billion in the continuing resolution,” Bono said Thursday in a statement.
or something beyond Kim Jung Ill, Saddam, Fidel, the nutjob in Iran are not the problem, Bush is the problem?
they let 9/11 happen, they lied us into iraq, they found NO wmd because there were none, and now iraq is in a full blown civil war
Ive deleted all backup types and started over, I think it had two defined which doesnt work.
hey
DarthBurg, republicans are allways reinventing themselves, I am allways see right wingers come back from stuff that should have destoyed their credibiltiy, don’t put me in a two party box, I don’t support either one of them Two Wings, One Bird
BobDobbs well, when Republicans resign, and democrats get re elected. I suggest you are operating under a false premise. dras is clearly drinking the kool aid.
that is TV logic DarthBurg
and a jew is riding that bird into the apocalypse
BobDobbs no, its “Reality” not TV percetpion. I do not watch TV.
hey darth
dras wow its a good thing i don’t believe in any apocalypse
dras who?
the dems will still refuse to hold their leaders accountable even as they discover not a single campaign promise will be upheld
DarthBurg, to me your talking Santa vs the Easter Bunny, I won’t take a side in this fake debate, they are both sides part of the same Washington DC insider party, all corrupt
bud` sure it will. if you notice, THEY DIDN’T !@#$!@#$!@#$ MAKE ANY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
did Tom Delay “Reinvent himself”? did Newt? did Dole? did Nixon? no.
Nixon sure did lol Give Tom Delay some time Newt has done allright he is a respected pundent
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yeah with a name like “delay” you figure anythings gonna take a while 
and Bob Dole is not doing to bad either
thx1138 im sure many dem voters were under the impression they were voting for an iraq pullout. instead they will get MORE TROOPS
BobDobbs there is certainly large amounts of evidence to support such a position, and I am not question that persay, but if you can not see the clear, double standard applied to the parties, particularly in the media, then you are simply not paying attention.
heck, even David Frum came back
bud` then those voters are even more gullible than i thought!
Yeah, the MSM tells me to vote democrat. Those evil bastards.
Newt never really did anything bad. democrats write books all the time. Democrats own stock in oil companies, Republicans do not dare, the double standard is alive and well.
DarthBurg, to me the media is right of center, way right…I don’t see the left represented at all, only right and far right, with the far right saying everything left of them is too far left, there is no self disipline at all, on either side, just reckless abuse of language
BobDobbs then you are out of touch. I am an actual right winger, and my views are officially censored.
you say you don’t watch TV
Democrats campaigned this past election with a pretty conspicuous lack of platform outside of generalistic platitudes. If I called them my “leadership” I’d be paying a bit more attention to what exactly they’re promising me.
BobDobbs ever wonder why?
but your all talking points
I do not watch tv because its all left wing, all the time.
I don’t watch TV and you don’t see me spewing talking points
darth is a right-winger? Wow!
BobDobbs they are not talking points, its reality. its not like I am making this shit up out of whole cloth the left wing tilt to the News media, print media, TV networks, television shows, and movies is well documented.
there is no left wing in america anymore…it’s just the middle and the right
middle and the left, you mean.
DarthBurg, you only know the world thru your senses and they are in your mind, to say you know what reality is means you don’t have the self disipline to see the relative nature of the world.
no right wing policies ever get passed, especially in the last six years. name one GOV program that got the ax.
waht right wing policies would you have liked to have seen
Children allways want to deal in secure absolutes
DarthBurg, blame the republicans.
and say it reality
They were in control for a ton of that time.
its*
I would have liked to see ONE GOV program disapear. this view is effectively censored.
which one would you like to disappear?
BobDobbs a common complaint from people who do have an open mind, “You are not smart enough” er, Do NOT have an open mind. that is.
DarthBurg, clearly the republicans did no better in reducing the size of goverment then the demos, I think it supports my idea that they are one party DarthBurg, I said you were lasy, not dumb or young I don’t think anyone is dumb not ever
h0race was kinda hoping maybe say, the Dept of Ed. or the Dept iof Human Services, or maybe even the FCC, or something, ANYTHING, but what we got.
i would like to see pot legalized, gay marriage established, more policy geared towards ending homelessness
BobDobbs yes, its true, the Bush admin has not been very right wing, they have expanded GOV vastly.
DarthBurg, libertarian leaning notions like that have been dead for a while.
I don’t think the republicans ever intended to reduce the size of goverment
It’s kinda like how classic conservatism/liberalism is dead.
they just wanted the power
so yeah, I am a right winger, not necessarily a republican these days.
really DarthBurg the right and left are not being represented, only this weird party in power that sees goverment as a answer for everything
Animation legend Joseph Barbera, co-creater of “Tom and Jerry” and “Yogi Bear” and many other cartoons has died.
Bob, I keep saying this to you and Darth and everyone on the channel and I dont know if people are grasping it. Bush inherited a Stock market Bubble. A big one with trillions of dollars of paper wealth not there. A Major attack on Mahattans two largest skyscapers and financial markets, The Largest Natural Disastor in US History ever.. And Yes our deficit relative to gdp is avg..
BobDobbs naw, the GOp is not near as power hungry as the DNC. the GOP is not willing to use sedition, and treason as a political talking point.
Thats a fantastic job thats not a bad job thats a Fantastic job
FreeTra5w, er… was anyone talking about Bush?
and then we have a great economy only 5 years later and its been great for a long time.
take this from a foreign’s perspective = America’s doing awesome
FreeTra5w yes, Bush has done well over all. still does not excuse pissing all over us actual right wingers and growing the fed and the debt to do it.
Haha, you’re a minority in terms of foreigner thinking, Swigert.
NOW government is seriously looking at cutting spending and it is doing so albeit slowly
DarthBurg, I don’t agree with that at all, they are both faking it…they all hang out in private, they take turns, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Clinton both left and right need to reject the party in power see thru the language they use
they’re jealous
its a two man con
But you have a lot of pressures from like the far right to spend billions on a fence in the southern border, and the far left to increase entitlements, welfare and subsidies out the ass.
BobDobbs actually, if you really knew your history, you would see in the last fifty years, the American people prefer republicans in the white house.
good cop bad cop
BobDobbs one of those little reality bumps.
But balancing all that Ill bet you we see vetos in the next 2 years like never before in the Bush administration
There was that Daily Mirror headline about how American voters were dumb after the 2004 election.
as well as Earmark reform pushd by republicans like Mccain and maybe lieberman And some other pork restraints.
Lieberman is only conservative on Iraq.
DarthBurg, you do realize that doesn’t have an impact on his point whatsoever right?
2/3rds of the democratic party is now liberal
tax cuts + massive spending on iraq = debt
Everything else he is a liberal.
or leftwing
DarthBurg, I can’t talk with you rationaly if your going to insist on there being one version of reality, even if I agree with a lot of it….your just wrong about ‘reality’ it does not exist.
Gromit- thats one of the first things you learn, elections only count when democrats win. Bush won three elections, the donks won one. guess which ones are deemed the important one?
that means the people who will make the decisions next term will be republicans and conservative Dems because thats where the power is. Organizationally the power is in the left dems hands, but still the votes are in the blue dogs hands. and the gop
FreeTra5w, btw, I do agree with some of that about Bush and the market bubble.
where they can find consensus
That depends if the conservative Dems strike out on their own or if Dem party leadership keeps them in line.
and I think they could on some spending cuts
DarthBurg, Bush won three elections?
BobDobbs it is dificult to fight perception, this is true. but you know full well Clinton was the first two term democrat since truman, thats a fucking fact. talking spin does not change reality. even if you disagree with it.
When people think Stenny Hoyer is a moderate, it scares me.
at the same time we need to spend more on our military as an investment.
Last I counted he won two, unless you’re adding the Sr. and the Jr.
He might be referring to ‘94.
hehe
then you factor in another little troublesome fact. it took a right winger to win 49 states. a Feat democrats do not even try for.
To have a great economy and a deficit which is avg relative to gdp after what we have been through since 2001 is almost a miracle except it isnt a miracle, its thanks to greenspan and Bush. But yes we definately need to cut spending I agree.
http://newt.org/backpage.asp?art=3811 Pretty good speech by Newt.
DarthBurg, you also know a more complete understanding of the experience of consciouness understands the reality making power of frame of reference and point of view, if you forget that and get lost in the absolute nature of your thoughts you will lose track of the way power operates, real players don’t make they mistake.
Oh manI wish fox would stop playing these damn religious christmas songs, I hate them ! And no its not because they are religious, I always hated those songs Oh manI wish fox would stop playing these damn religious christmas songs, I hate them ! And no its not because they are religious, I always hated those songs
Rove himself talks about making reality
I don’t know if Rove will recover.
all elites understand the relative nature of point of view and exploit it all the time
Especially the one celon deon sings SP?
BobDobbs I know people who share your views tend to talk “Consciouness” and “Understanding” when confronted with cold hard facts. You are so busy spouting bullshit, you lose site of reality.
Rove is in trouble but who knows
I like how they have Chanukkah messages.
DarthBurg, you mistake me for someone else, I am not a hippy
Newt could never win a presidential contest I hope he knows that though he would make a great policy advisor for domestic policy I am the hippy Darth!
Newt/Ollie in ‘08
Not that skin head sob Newt, Freetrade/Yaak 08 haha
BobDobbs people who share your political views to try their hardest to avoid labels.
I mean Yaak haha
DarthBurg, a adult understanding of the world is what you are in denial about, you want a simple reality with absolute facts, that is fine of a commoner and you will remain a followers and commoner until you shead this childish fairy tale about good and evil, right and wrong.
newt isnt on channel
there is only point of view
“shed”
no good or evil just point of view
Bob what about your absolute comments about the GOP, do yo consider that an Adult understanding of the world ?
BobDobbs I am not the one in denial. I do not have to paint everything grey to support my fucked up world view. Reality exists. I did not invent it. nor do I have to invent the shit that politicians of all stripes do.
shed, ya, that was full of typos heh, sorry FreeTra5w, please refresh my memory, what absolute comments did I make about the GOP?
You don’t paint things gray, you realize they are.
Darth u just need to wake up to the FACT that 9/11 was at the very least NEGLIGIBLE HOMICIDE, they wanted it to happen, they got their new pearl harbor. and now we suffer.
facts exist, if you find you have to explain away facts to support your views, they are fucked up.
WE, not them
Bob I dont know at the time I said you shouldnt paint wiht a broadbrush
facts are a losing war against time
dras, or, you could just simply open your mind to the possibility you MIGHT be wrong about that.
FreeTra5w, heh, well I am a imperfect being
oh You said Republicans lie.. I said all ? Certainly some sdo, so do some democrats and not all.
oh believe me i think about it all the time
I said dont pay the whole party with a broad Brush because its dishonest.
negligible homicide? is that like when you kill somebody but it wasn’t anyone important? lol
a fact is only good for a little while, complex systems don’t have facts, they have tendencies, trends
and in fact I bet even the ones your accusing of being liars probably are not.. at least not substantially
thx in a way…..yes
BobDobbs yes, as i said, facts are troublesome things, but not for me. I can admit I may not have all the answers, I can admit I may be wrong, I can admit when I am wrong, and that makes me far superior to those who can not do these things.
it’s eerily orwellian how the media and the politicians put so much effort into convincing us the world was forever changed on 9/11
thousands can die now, so millions can smile later
pay =paint
thats what these “super patriot” psychopaths
