11.30.07
yaakov why do u think the room would be worse cant chatter ignore racist etc commenters they disagree with rather
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i dont get it =(
whois adchent a slash would help
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hi
william jefferson won relection by a landslide despite 90,000$ in his fridge i love it when people hate the republicans and bush so much that they vote for a sleazeball dem
there’s enough sleaze on both sides of the aisle
more than a few people in here charged the democrats as being anti-semitic any ideas why? is it just because they are dumb as shit right-wing idealogues?
tuneup pretty much
nice, the U.S. secret service had Princess Di’s phone bugged on the night she died I wonder what the explanation for that would be other than the U.S. cant mind its own fucking business bI wonder what the explanation for that would be other than the U.S. cant mind its own fucking business/b
um, no other one occurs to me tuneup
never know, Princess Di might have been a terrorist
good morning
morning
what’s up all?
it’s very quiet
raibow trout or brown trout?
anyone awake
morning!
good morning Timur- it’s just about time to begin a brand new day
yeah!
i cant tell if im more excited about today or tommarow since today hasn’t even really started
so, I’m starting it by taking my gf to the grocery store
im wondering though is tommarow going to be any more exciting than today or today is about as good as it gets, i don’t know though because today is so fresh
why compare just enjoy each one!
lower your dosage…
I liek coffee did I tell you I like coffee? wow this cffee is reall goo it really perks me up cofffee coffee coffee coffee yeah! oh man tasty and energiizng I sure do love cof-…
hehe
im thinking maybe tommarow is going to be so awesome that i wont even remember today
hmm, so Princess Di was a spy
covert ops _3Josephs she was trying to infiltrate the paparazzi
maybe her Egyptian husband had links to terror
its the only plausible reason we were spying on an ex-member of the royal family
t0tgiglz!
we were bugging her, not h8im errr, him
morning
she’s part of mi5 which the cia didn’t trust obviously
hmm, maybe VP Dick was having an affair 
you sure?
obviously!
with di
let me ask you something if you had a girlfriend or a wife would you consider it strange to have them come online and chat with you?
no wonder they bumped her off yes but i know some people who met on irc
hmm, so the SS finally launched
so its a bit weird yeah no crash this time maybe they won’t make it back fingers crossed i thought they were fucked last time or the time before i forget
so would you consider it strange if you got a private message from somebody claiming they were your soulmate and e-harmony or any other place couldn’t of brought the two of you together would you buy into that
8 10/12/2006
sure contact her or him
Barak Ommamba Obama Al-I-don’t-Know-If-I-can-run-for-President
lol
where’s my hello t0tgiglz!
i said morning
oops you said morning i guess that meant me too my bad
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair Anyone remember this? Israel bombed American&British targets in Egypt and tried to blame it on the Egyptians but they were uncovered
lol no
and a bunch of Israelis had to quit the government They tried to start a war between the U.S/Brit and the Arabs In March 2005, Israel publicly honored the surviving operatives, and President Moshe Katsav presented each with a certificate of appreciation for their efforts on behalf of the state, ending decades of official denial by Israel. and then they honored the bombers at an official ceremony
tuneup, don’t remember it since i am a bit too young, but i have heard of the Lavon Affair, seemed a bit unfair on Lavon who had to resign, since it was Ben Gurion’s supporters who came up with the plan., if i recall correctly
Well I wonder how many other bombings they are responsible for that they managed to cover-up properly
tuneup, probably not many, the plan didn’t work so I’d imagine they tried other things
well Netanyahu said that 9/11 was a great thing for Israeli-American relations
really? do you have a link for that tuneup?
9/11, he may well have done, but thats a long stretch from evidence that israel has been behind any anti US or anti western terrorism
i don’t think he was saying that JustinFra
debris, ok, just trying to make sure he doesn’t go in that direction. hard enough to get reasonable discussions on Israel without loonie conspiracy theories
omg justin are you back
hey t0tgigl, i missed you
Princess Di was really jewish…
lol
yeah missed you too like a case of bleeding hemroids …. NOT
totgiglz, how are your bleeding hemerhoids? you told me they were healing
lol yeah right ok LOL moron
LOL
‘Asked tonight what the attack [on New York and Washington] meant for relations between the United States and Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, replied: “It’s very good.” Then he edited himself: “Well, not very good, but it will generate immediate sympathy.”‘
they are not healing? oh dear, could be painful having hemmeroids and talking out of your arse at the same time
from the NYT
tuneup? link please?
the first words out of his mouth were “It’s very good”
LOL rofl
poor t0tgiglz
http://select.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=F00D15F8395C0C718DDDA00894D9404482
why poor me
thanks tuneup
sorry im slow to answer im still scanning
these people in #politics are so rude to women
nothing wrong with being rude, so long as its at least slightly funny
im getting insulted by a non american lol rofl i could give two shits deb
cool
t0tgiglz would be ok if she could be rude and entertaining at the same time. sadly thats beyond her
its like listening to my kids run their mouth infront of their friends its all good deb i have such a busy day today
200 you are going to be busy
yup need to get them done today thats why i got up early
ah
this is early?
ive been up for hours
ditto
its 723 right now takes for ever to scan slides i can only do 2 at a time
how many times have we had to put up with this spammers on efnet they keep askin me to ‘cu* to their site’ no thanks
my dad was in the navy and was a navy photographer
well maybe if you weren’t on porn channels
im scanning his midway pics damn boring
i dont do eharmony or myspace because like most online user groups are predominatly homosexual or black
rofl
I don’t do eharmony or myspace because they are stupid
eharmony and myspace are two sep things arent theu or are you talking about a myspace personals
hehe, I don’t have a clue
my bf i met on efnet almost 9 yrs ago …. a year ago we decided to give it a shot now were getting married in april
via irc?
it was actually easy the dating part cus we knew everything about each other no he moved here i met him on irc we worked for some of the same shell providers were opers together for efnet
hmm, anyone except the israeli govt think this is a bad idea? The Nobel Peace Prize Laureate, Archbishop Desmond Tutu of South Africa will lead a UN Human Rights Council mission to the town of Beit Hanoun, where 18 Palestinians were killed during Israeli military operations in early November.
we both quit
Tutu is the Jimmy Carter of Africa
i cant watch that damn fool type anymore
(and I hear he’s on eharmony
iggy is my friend rofl
you guys are fuckin halirious
3josephs, Desmond Tutu risked his life to stand up the apartheid regime of RSA
talking like you met someone online and getting married lol thats so funny
JustinFra, blah blah blah, he’s just another liberal
id only marry someone online after they signed a pre nup
um we are in april 21
and they’d be willing to let me part with all of their assets
3josephs, hmm.. so only liberals opposed apartheid? u saying apartheid was a good thing?
i would never marry anybody who wasn’t willing to let me take everything and sell it
I’m saying Tutu is a liberal (even Tutu says he’s a liberal)
3josephs.. and u admire liberal opposition to apartheid?
shrug if thats what youre all about its all good
hmm, Rumsfeld in Iraq
if my wife had a problem with ircing,, id just sell her computer because she’d have to irc with me cause there is simply just way too many black/homosexual user groups/chats on the internet today
lol so much for 3josephs
l984, you seem to have a hang up on blacks and homosexuals
no shit
more like a hangup with HIV/AIDS, it’s a total killer
only think worse than blacks and homsexuals is black homosexuals
so get educated
JustinFra, I don’t like Tutu, doesn’t mean he hasn’t accidently done somethings right - but I still don’t like him
oh and straight ppl dont get aids
lol
rofl
1984 has aids?
HIV/AIDs originated from homosexuals and Africa, anybody can go figure on that one, that’s WHY we need to protect the future for white children
3jospephs.. tutu is very arrogant, but he’s done more good in his life than u or i ever will
yes africa moron not gay africans
…thinks…
something like kkkramer
AIDS is rampant among homosexuals and it came from Africa gay africans are responsible
aids is rampant amongst drug users you sir are an idiot gay africans indeed i challenge you to a duel no, you’re an idiot
i would stomp you out until the turned the lights on
good day, sir!
well they had to have slept with someone bi or straight cus its flying around straight ppl
i said good day, sir!
you are dummy the problem is we need to protect white children
you are a moron and a dickhead to boot by the sounds of it good day, sir!
and not let queer loving africans to spread gayness and AIDs
lol debris, nice to such politeness, may i be your second in your dual tomorrow at dawn?
and a racist
we protect white ppl? wtf do you walk around in a sheet
indeed JustinFra you may
ppl dont chose their skin color so to judge someone like that is wrong
1984 is worth of kick/ban/ignore
– looks out debris’s thermal undies.. can’t haev any shivering from the cold in case it is misinterpreted
funny how idiots sneak up on you like that lol
hes already been ignored hes a racist ass i could handle justin whos just a idiot verses a racist
–always practical in duals
with a nick like that you’d thing he’d have a braincell apparently not
its so weird to see how tough people get over talking through chat rooms
it’s so weird how bigoted some people are in chat rooms
oh no im like this in real life
oh t0tgigl, any time your bleeding hemeroids have let up enough for you to try and prove me to be an idiot, feel free to try
ill tell you to your face
i bet you wouldn’t be talking nearly as tough as you do now in a real conversation, cause you’d already be stomped out on the ground
again as t0tgiglz said, i believe 1985 would be like this in real life
rofl ask cry hes talked to me on the phone
ah violence, you are a genius
im very direct and say how i feel i dont need a computer to talk shit
1984 you strike me a a coward
or an ambulance on your way to get facial reconstruction surgery from some cheap mexican doctor
i would slap you upside the face verbally no matter what the medium
rofl yeah and i take it you have kids youre turning into white power puppets sad
white power! white and proud!
you would be crushed an instant, and your boyfriend couldn’t do shit
i dont need my bf i can fight my own fights
sooo what are we all doing to celebrate international human rights day?
how is your bf by the way 1985?
you prob have one of those wives that shuts up and lets you be the “man”
1862 or whatever you are? neolithic man, rather?
you would be crushed so brutally and laying on the pavement bleeding so bad
JustinFra, I thought I’d deprive a black or homosexual of some
it’s funny when the morons/trolls come out
yeah ok kkkman
the lines get drawn
its so funny that you use the internet as a shield and a platform for sounding like a shit talking tough guy
why not just change your nick to kkkman
3josephs, or you could realy outdo yourself and pick on a black homosexual. preferrably disabled
yes ironic isn’t it
ok wise guy what are you gonna do about it huh?
t0tgiglz, I was channeling l984
youre ignorant
thats what i thought you aren’t going to do anything
1984 you’re a first class moron
cause you can’t
oh come on, 1984 isn’t a first class anything
neither can you mr. trash talk
whats sad is ppl like you breed
i have to give him some credit and being a first class ass is the best i can do a pox on thee ;p
lol
i reckon you aint never been down to where im from
oh so thats a reason to be ignorant not
we’d have you stomped out in a matter of seconds, bleeding on the pavement while we took turns jumping on your face
where are you from, you white supremicist peice of shit?
BRING IT ON
yes yes you keep saying that like its imaginitive or something
WE’D what you need the rest of the kkk to help
but you just sound like a stupid thug
so you guys give sheets for xmas ? fkn loser
you would be so stupid for even walking down the street where im from
do you think they cut the holes in them before they giftwrap them?
rofl
where are you from tough man? da hood?
yeah you represent you area well 1984
your boyfriend would probably to try to act all tough when he would be getting kicked in the mouth
lol fuck i dont need my bf
you’re a charmer
im female not a wimp youre just a shit talker cus youre scared of color that makes you the pussy not us
you are afraid to come where i live because you know it would be the wrong move
are you a neo-nazi? you still haven’t given us a clue “where you live”
you would be putting yourself in harms way if you tried to find me
whats sad is theres prob more colored men that deserve the label “men” and deserve that title more then you do
you could live in san francisco for all i know
just cus you have a penis doesnt make you a man
tell us then, knob end?
yeah keep talking smack 1984 you keep saying the same shit
thats why i think its funny how you use the internet as a shield to talk your shit, but in real life you’d already be stomped out by now
blah blah blah
or do you have too much penis breath?
its classic comedy of the shit talkers getting their moment on the chat room
id say the same shit in real life without a computer
yes stomp away cocksucker
youre the one talking smack how old are you 18?
but in all reality they’d be squealing and squirming bleeding profusely on the pavement
i think it must be younger
yeah whatever
this is fairly amusing
he doesn’t have much variety in his act i suggest you develop your character more fully and then return until then
morning mason
good day, sir!
good morning
has he gone? ;p
who cares
or is he slowly typing up another line of craptalk with his one good finger and one good eye?
justin i owe you a apology … you arent the biggest idiot in here 1984 just showed you up I can tolerate youre stupidity more LOL justin i owe you a apology … you arent the biggest idiot in here 1984 just showed you up I can tolerate youre stupidity more LOL
t0tgiglz, would be better if you didn’t apologise every time your said something stupid, the internet is slow enough without u hogging all the badnwidth
lol hugs justin i love you too wb frankie
he has no voice he changed his name so he will no have a voice either
so i can still say hi lol
;p
hehe OMG!!! issat franklin???
fkn ignorant ppl i swear cry
what happened?
we got the kkk and justin back two fkn ignorant loons
Justinfra?
1984 is a racist doesnt like black ppl
Paper Cutout Euros should be pitie to an extent…
tsk tsk, anyone who calls me an ignorant loon better be very very smart if they are going to prove that accusation
how someone can stand living in a cracker jack box info wise is a mystery to me
tell 1984 im this much of a bitch in person as on here please he thinks i need a guy to protect me rofl
oi, i had to check the channel name before i reacted, i know quite a few channels i’m in that’d love him
lol morning mad
morning
good refer him over
it’d be nice if the channels stayed on topic, but instead they’re all over the place, lots of richards defenders
Micheal Richards?
yah
hey mad scribbles
lately theres been a lot more morons in here then normal
i don’t think the word should be illegal, but umm… I’ve seen several shows with rude audience members and most comics deal with it with a lot more class
yeah, a bunch of right-wing lunatics
some of them represent entertainment
t0tgiglz how do you tell the difference?
debris ive been in this room for like 4 or 5 yrs
arguments are good
ask cry i normally say hi or hugs but i dont fight
when there are no arguments then what good is the channel
debris…they sort themselves out quickly enough
i don’t through them in with the right-wingers
no tuneup this is different
if everyone is just here to pat each other on the back and agree its pointless
im not talking politics arguement
these folks are just living about 100 years ago
im talking idiots talking shit
tuneups, how about duscussions or debates rather than simply arguments
s/through/throw
discussions too
i’m still sans-coffee
like if i come in here and say “President Bush is great” and have the 150 or so people agree with me what good is that
they weren’t agreeing today
prob give sheets as xmas presents and they dont have the money to go buy new ones so therefor they are angry
lol can u find 150 people who think GW Bush is great?
maybe 140 in here out of 154
lets see… GW Bush, thats one
tuneup hun you are not even listening to wtf im saying
think Bush is great and that his Iraq policy is great
im not talking about politics fights sigh
OK i understand but Im going off on a tangent anyways
its like talking to my damn kids
there isnt enough political divisiveness in here
hey can
not since that report on iraq from 2 days ago no
you cant have a good debate in here because its overwhelmed by right wing syncophants that resort to ad homminem attacks
agreed
the ISG may not have any great ideas or solutions, but at least it makes the us face up to the reality of the level of failure in iraq so far
they had 80 suggestions but i just like the fact that bush has to acknowledge he’s a fuckup
FreeTrade will ban you for being a liar if you dont agree with his lies
sure will
so theres no point in debating
i’ve experienced FreeTrade firsthand
hmm…
and then CometBaby sticks the boot in too she banned me one day for calling her “narrow minded”
freetrade booted me yesterday for posting an article that backed up my position, at least he had the good grace to seem embarassed about it afterwards, not enough to apologise tho
[debris]: Why do you come here then?
They should relinquish control of the channel to people who arent ignorant liars
lol don’t start
i’ve been here long enough to tell you that you don’t have to agree, i frequently disagree, but if you have an opinion be prepared to stand by it, if you state something as fact don’t pull some fly-by-night website (liberal or neo) to support your claim ui’ve been here long enough to tell you that you don’t have to agree, i frequently disagree, but if you have an opinion be prepared to stand by it, if you state something as fact don’t pull some fly-by-night website (liberal or neo) to support your claim/u
yaakov, know any other politics channels?
That’s an odd idea. Why not just start your own channel?
EXACTLY MAD
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=george+w.+bush
It isn’t as if this is a monopoly.
FreeTrade doesnt have anything to back him up
madscribe, hmm i posted a 9/11 timeline and an article from the washington post, and freetrade booted me
except Hearsay
yaakov, how easy is it to start a channel with the title “politics” ?
i wouldnt want to op in this channel oh bs he doesnt
t0t it is not that bad
i can’t testify to that one, I again, frequently disagree
He never has any sources, all Freetrade has is his opinions
ive been in here years and dont see him kick everyone who disagrees
or he will claim to have good sources
look its JustinFra!!!
and i’ve NEVER been booted by free, there’s only one op that I disagree with and has banned me for such
like “I was talking to the army corp in Iraq”
It isn’t, and while there is some value to the name, it is not the only way to get people to join a channel.
madscribe, i used to chat in excite soapbox and yahoo politics, they didn’t allow ops to boot people
Just the only passive one.
Paper Cutout Euro contingent is present!
and i’ve been here about 10 years so…
dont like the room make up another one
yaakov, i only reason i found this room is because its called “politics”
KustinFra…why not
hell i will ev3n give you guys the bots to hold it
This channel is good it just needs better rules
this channels rules are fine
some times people need to be ejected from venues such as this
no personal attacks from the right-wingers
rofl
but people still get kicked/banned for disagreeing with FreeTrade
I call channels like this one “natural” channels. They *are* powerful attractors, but it is also possible to use marketing and other techniques to establish a channel that isn’t necessarily a natural one.
ops booting people because its easier than arguing a point is not down to rules
It takes work, though.
Show up armed if you wishe to coherently argue NO hatemongering/extremism/factionalism will be tolerated
The rule #1 in this channel is Attack/Alienate/Kick/Ban anyone who has an argument you dont like
yaakov, hey, i use a mac so i don’t have to figure out how stuff works, not sure i’d know how to go about setting up a channel and gthen marketing it. just making the point that the room would be better if ops didn’t boot people simply for disagreeing
thats bs tuneup and you know it
Be prepared to back up anything you say
ive been in this room 4 - 5 yrs they do not just ban ppl
tuneup…bullshit
can you ask FreeTrade to backup what he says
i watch this room more then i participate in it
rather than just thinking he is a genius and doesnt need any sources
I have not booted JustinFra ….and frankly he is unarmed information wise…
that’s pretty much it
this room the ops do not abuse their position
from now on ask FreeTrade for a source for everything he has to say
hell id ban a lot more lol and i hate bans
cryhavoc prefers to bore people to death rather than booting them, so kudos to him
you’ll find he shuts the fuck up
tuneup…Folk like FT and myself…we sure can back up what we say….but I doubt you would want to read the books we have read
more often
but http://www.ircpolitics.org/channelrules.html — DA RULES
theres lots of ppl they ask to back their source up and cant and they dont ban them
when he gets back we’ll debate Iraq
freetrade asked me to back up my point with a source and then booted me when i did, thats not exactly rational bfreetrade asked me to back up my point with a source and then booted me when i did, thats not exactly rational/b
bbl
its easier to kick you then be embarrased by losing an argument
rofl whatever tuneup
tuneup, to be fair, spellnix over on undernet is far worse
I dont use undernet
justin got kicked for his link he insisted was fact and wasnt and he wasnt listening i was here when he got kicked
it wasnt?
no it wasnt
who are you to determine what is fact
lol totgiglz, hmm,, i posted a 9/11 timeline and then a washington post article that backed it up
are you an expert on whatever it was
it’s all relative to who has power :p
m i didnt kick him hun and who the fuck are you or he to say it is so dont fuckin start on me
tuneup …why be such a Dee Dee Dee?
but you claim what he presented wasnt fact
thats why he was kicked I DIDNT KICK HIM YOU JACK ASS
that doesnt matter
Whether you agree with them or not FreeTrade and CometBaby have maintained this channel for about 10 years. That makes is one of the oldest continuous EFNet channels, a testament to a great deal of effort and dedication. I don’t always agree with them, but it makes little sense to come into someone’s established domain and treat them poorly. In any case, if you took this energy and used it to establish a new channel more to your liking you would be better of
god you sound like my 13 yr old whining
why is what he posted not fact?
lol.. yup.. i was asked for a course and then got booted when i provided it.. and giggles there thinks that ok
because FT says so? who the fuck is he to say something isnt fact
Yaakov hehehe
i dont know i didnt fuckin kick him
it doesnt take effort or dedication idle in a channel and run some bots
yaakov, i have to admit i have no idea how much effort it takes to maintain a channel, but surely its a fair complaint that ops should only boot people for scrolling the screen of spamming or spamming
they participate in this forum too
sometimes facts don’t fit in with what someone believes or wants to hear
and actually..it takes effort to run bots
You really don’t know how much work EFNet historically required to keep a channel, and this one has been threated quite a bit.
no it takes money
and effort money xost is very nominal…. at one time ..I had 9 bots
That’s a reasonable philosophy that might make a good channel, you should start one.
initially it might take some time to setup a few bots like an hour or two
CometBaby also maintains a website.
but then they dont need much interaction
yaakov, i’d find it far easier to start a channel if i had access to the name “politics”
tuneup..wrong again…depends how they are used
In any case, since chanfix things are a lot easier on people who maintain channels.
so where is the effort?
But, prior to chanfix, it required a lot of time to keep a channel.,
its not as simple as you think tuneup not to mention
I used to be an IRC Op on antoehr network…my bots at times were used to watch channels…
the other stuff they do to keep this channel going
like what? sit on their couches and watch FoxNews?
they also maintain our website…. (more effort)
ircpolitics looks like shit and hasnt been worked on in years
you have no clue what it takes to keep this room going
lol foxnews is funny
but i think you should go start another channel and set your own rules
surely the point is that it doesn’t require any more effort to maintain a “fair” channel than one where ops can boot people for no good reason
tuneup is fidel@offsh0re.info cute
try undernet tuneup
since its easy
he can try the Dalnet
you commie pig dog! ;p is dalnet anygood
just some insipid vhost
someone recommended it to me over efnet
bunch of titty babies in here lately
well I will have to go to one of those other networks now
if you dont liek the room then leave quit whining cus its the same rules they have used for years
because I will feel the wrath of FT when he returns
undernet is good tuneup
Anyway the whole thing is silly. Pragmatically, this IS FreeTrade and CometBaby’s channel. They could choose to arbitrarily ban anyone without any reason whatsoever and there is no legitimate argument against that. As it stands, they don’t do that. You may disagree with the way they decide who to ban, but it really *is* their perogative.,
tuneup look at how many defend him lol not cus they have to
undernet has the same problem this room has, ops booting people for disagreeing
well good if you know what you are talking about what about dalnet?
and even I disagree with FT on some topics
but cus they choose to cus they know the rules and how things run
yeah you’re right now that i think about it
FT And Cometbaby do a great job!
ft does not abuse his position
they haven’t kicked nearly enough
KustinFra..I fully disagree with you…but I still see you here?
no shit bill thats what im saying
bye guys im going to dalnet
yaakov.. u are right to an extent, but don’t they owe something to the community? not asking that much, just that ops only boot for scrolling or spamming
cya tuneup don’t be a stranger
tuneup is not firing on all 8 cylinders…but he is still here
i sit here and watch ppl talk shit and wonder why they arent gone
cryhavoc, and thats a good thing
he’s left
lol
LOOLOLOLOLOLOL
gawd
he is gonna LOVE Dalnet!
lol
An IRC network composed of some of nastiest IRC Opers you will see….
I don’t know what the “community” is in this case. It seems that they have built up a community over time and even if it is a bit of a monoculture sometimes you are just going to find yourself in the position of a sojourner and you’ll have to take that into account.
on DalNet..Opers apparently are exempt from all user rules….
really?
justin didnt exactly make shit easy for himself when he sat here yesterday being a cocky idiot
When you are not a member of the majority there is a practical need to be careful in how you go about expressing yourself, that’s part of life.
talking shit to ppl
yaakov, i accept your point that cometbaby and freetrade could just boot absolutely anyone anytime for no reason, i am simply trying to make a point which i think would improve the room.
Kick-banned a reprehensible Female IRC-Op
lol
JustinFra the Room is fine as it is
then he posted a new site that he swore chaney gave orders and bush wasnt onvolved cus he was too busy ready to kids during 9/11 and the link he posted clearly stated that chaney gave the order from bush so he didnt even have his facts straight
cryhavoc, the room could not be better?
and for the record..I do not rag on all Europeans….
so he got slammed and he didnt like it so thats why justin is pissy
I understand that, but I am trying to suggest that a sort of pragmatic idealism is the right thing for *you* to adopt. Just as you wish to advise them, I am giving you advice. If you want to stay, behave pragmatically in service to your ideals.
only a significant number who arrive clueless and filled full of their socialist pap
You can’t “win” an argument if you aren’t *here*.
yaakov, u are advocating pragamtic realism rather than pragmatic idealism
Justin got slammed yesterday
lol its nice having justin iggied justin deserved to get slammed yesterday
Paper Cutout Europeans are a hoot though…
yaakov, and i happen to agree with your advice, if i actually want to stay in the room for a while then i avoid arguing with ops
The republicans are going to need a lot of good luck in 2008
No. Pramatism in actions in service to idealism. In other words, idealistic strategy, pragmeatic tactics.
weboh…thedems will provide it….even now..the revengocrats are hard at work
arguing? or calling them derogatory names?
No, don’t avoid arguing, avoid the idea that you have to “win”. Detect the deadlock that leads to the unwanted outcome and stop. *Don’t* avoid arguing.
yaakov, pragmatism is changing a strategy as perception of events change, idealism is trying to apply ideals even in the face of reality
Bill Paper Cutout Euro is not derogatory it is accurate
No, pragamtism is doing things that will have an *effect*.
yaakov, i haev been chatting in politcs rooms for 11 years.. there is no such thing as winning, i think i have seen people change their minds in the room twice in that time
no cry… justin says he should avoid arguing. that’s what i was referring to
heheh ok
i’ve never seen anyone kicked for disagreeing. just for behavior
it will be no big suprise when most of the pro-war republicans get in 2008. The Democraps will have their hayday when they elect one of their own as president. But voting for a dem for prez always leads the country back right.
to an extent…I find some of the names I am called here funny…
I keep an eye on the ideals and behave in ways that brings me closer to those ideals. I also have things that *cannot* be compromised, but that list is small.
but draw a line weboh…the Dem House will prob guarantee a GOP Prez in 2008….
hair in my eyes like a highland steer
I have faith in Pelosi/Murtha
yaakov, good. but not realy the point. i am simply making a suggestion that i don’t think anyoen is arguing would not be an improvement. i accept the reality of the situatiuon which is that things will not change
do do do
whats up Herzen
I have learned things from a few people that have helped shape my opinions. For the most part people come to a place like this to prop up their opinion, not to test it.
doubtful, as long as republicans and democrats hate neocons; there will be no republican presidents.
One Canadian that should be in the USA
I don’t think that this channel would be as robust if the policy you advocate was followed.
there are no real conservatives in congress…
That’s my experience.
yaakov, thats very true.. and personally i prefer to test my arguments, sometimes quite aggresively
Ron Paul?
but the Dems will trash the US economy….or Bush will go on a massive veto binge well yer right
yaakov, why do u think the room would be worse, can’t chatter ignore racist etc commenters they disagree with, rather than ops booting?
Bush will trash the economy with them.
Dr. No is one weboh…..he has not yet
FreeNode #politics is a free-for-all, not even flooding will get you kicked. You can use /ignore to eliminate a lot of the garbage, though. You could try that.
JustinFra, go to freenode and see how that works.
Bullshit. He already has.
ty yaakov, presumably u think that rooms is worse? why?
and weboh…Bushmoron , Bushitler, and standard BDS are all rather old
ty thetailor
People who can stand it are few, the quality of the discussion is no better.
NEW ORLEANS, Louisiana (AP) — U.S. Rep. William Jefferson easily defeated his fellow Democratic opponent in a runoff election Saturday, despite an ongoing federal bribery investigation.
freenode is filled with nazis and communists
proof that democrats will elect any criminal
and NWO freaks
yes…Bush has wrecke dthe USA…DOW is at aklltime high..unemployment is low… what Herzen said….
hmm yaakov, my experience of Excite’s soapbox was that people could tolerate others threatening to hunt them down like a dog and kill them
freenode is chock full of nuts
JustinFra, and futher, if those are the rules you like, why are you here? You should be on freenode.
Bush has guaranteed the republican party will lose election. We didn’t even win when Bush was elected.
I am not talking coffee
I have a *very* quiet channel called #discourse. I get a few visitors, otherwise it is very quiet.
JustinFra, that and your halfassed views perfectly fir with the children there. fit that is.
