10.31.07
Is a guy guilty because he considered something he knew was wrong but decided was definately wrong and wasnt going
one or two?
that was because of my niece OcDoc, it was new this summer 1 I guess ?
I liked the first episode much better than the second one
Is a guy guilty because he considered something he knew was wrong but decided was definately wrong and wasnt going to do anything illegal ? Hell I rent
yeah could happen, but then why did he meet her (again) ?
I dont usually go to the theaters anymore.
unless you can show he’s retarded, I say it’s his fault
last summer was dead man’s chest … the second movie
this summer, 2006
US, well Why did he meet her ? I would say his motives were wrong even if they were purely non physical..
George Michael gives us pot smokers a bad name heh
he’d be a pedo and she’d be some other type of loser
Any guy who would meet a 14 year old online who is 18 or older is insane.. perhaps
I can imagine a misogynist woman setting up guys to be accused criminally, but the guy would have to be at least a little corrupt or it wouldn’t work
more insane every year over 18 he is.
but if she’s criminal, it does not release him of his bad intent
Ocdoc, correct
yup … that was dead man’s chest … the second POC movie
he’s still a scum even if she is as well
yes but is bad intent illegal or is crime illegal
it’s very hard to frame an innocent man
well if he never completed a physical act, or agreed to do so, then he’s not guilty
Do we punish people severely for bad thoughts never carried out ? Or for actions or attempted actions ? Ocdoc, who says it has to be a frame..
we don’t ever punish people for bad thoughts
Well in this movie..
if he said “you’re 14 ? That’s HAWT let’s meet for secks” and they he shows up — that’s a conviction
It isn’t illegal to oogle or fantasize about 14 y/os
There is some confusion.
it’s just illegal to do it or view pictures of it
you don’t punish “bad thoughts” at all, since bad thoughts aren’t illegal.
intent to meet for sex, plus showing up, he’d be convicted if they are undercover cops
kobushi - exactly.
or provable
indeed.
Is he a victim of bad thoughts, bad actions or did he have a past he was running from ? none of it was every totally clear to me
hard to prove someone fantasized about a 14 y/o…
it’s not that complicated
as I said you never see any explicit evidence.
Which is why i doubt disgraced former rep Foley did anything illegal, or probably worth prosecuting, really.
If you have a proven intent to meet for sex, plus he shows up for this meeting , he’d be convicted if they are undercover cops
re foley, they haven’t yet found anything to prosecute on after interviewing 40+ pages
that’s a very questionable part of the law in my opinion
US, when you see a movie when you think Alright some chick is going to kill or cut to peices some pedophile and you find youself at some point wanting to see the girl killled instead, it is complicated uUS, when you see a movie when you think Alright some chick is going to kill or cut to peices some pedophile and you find youself at some point wanting to see the girl killled instead, it is complicated/u
Ft hehe
Dateline is doing a big series of shos were they have a woman pose as an underaged girl online
FT but did he do the above ?
and sets up meetings with people
US, well yo dont know.
did he 1) intend to meet, for sex and (20 show up for said meeting
Now at the end you might know… but during the movie you dont know
movies work best when they don’t show anything, and let your imagination fill in the details
(2)
the law has to avoid entrapment and entrapment itself is a vague concept
Yo dont know if he ever did anything bad in his life
ok so they left it vague to mess with you
This is a guy who has no porn in his house at all, Not even viagra or a condom…
to me, it changes nothing about my positions, they just didn’t tell me the facts of the case
Because she looks.. She looks to find something to prove it
OcDoc yeah, the local police here have an trap setup for people reciving stolen goods, I can’t see how it’ll hold up in court other than that most people don’t fight for thier rights OcDoc the pose as delivery guys who have “extra” $3000 speakers that aren’t on thier work order
as long as they don’t entice you into anything you wouldn’t have done anyway, it’s legal
And offer them to random people to buy them
kobushi - what a waste of police time and resources.
if you come into the shop and offer to sell them something knowing it’s stolen, that is not entrapment
at one point (he is a photographer) he has a dressed girl who she accuses him of wanting to fuck..And the picture is not even sleazy, not nude, not sexually suggestive, just a regular picture of a clothed girl..
anyway I’m never in favor of her cutting up an alleged pedophile unless she clearly has to do so to save her life
if they come to you and offer to sell you stolen goods then it’s entrapment
OcDoc they do it in like Lowes parking lot and McD’s parking lot and etc
and I’m also never in favor of him catching her
I dont mind police sting operations including pedophilia on the net, in fact I applaud them..
OcDoc yes that is what they are doing, they approach random people in public places and ofer to sell them the equipment
kobushi - a random ’sting’ on random people? what’s the fucking point.
But I do demand two things.. A) the person mush have asked for sex
that won’t hold up
and B) they must arrest the person trying to have an actual meeting. And thats how all stings are done in the bay area and to my knowlege in California
and he has to believe they are underage or act as if he believes it
what’s age of consent in California ? 18 ?
grey areas don’t make for good laws
if a guy says he wants to have sex with an underage, and never will meet this person, refuses to.. then its not a crime in my opinion. 18 in california.
Decider I don’t know what the point is, but they approached me, it as clearly fishy… I realized it was a police thing when I saw them doing the exact same thing the next week, same van, same scripted speech, etc… and the phone number on thier van rings into a generic answering service that doesn’t answer
maybe not illegal, but perhaps grounds for a search warrant and an investigation
kobushi - very strange.
Because I can pose as a 14 year old girl. and believing I am 14 without proving intent to act upon my age, is a setup by cops.. So the california way is what I consider the proper way, I think they also do this in florida..
it’s still not entrapment
They make a connection on the internet and then ask for a meeting for sex then the guy shows up then they arrest him
yup
that seems fair But if the guy never agrees to show up, then what is the crime ?
it’s a fair arrest … they still have to prove intent in court, which is not easy
I think those police actions are mostly ‘feel good’ but probably don’t do much
c’mon, all this talk of 14 y/o is getting me excited, lets change subjects
Talking to a person dirty on the internet who claims to be 14 ?
kobushi - hah
but most of them cop a plea and they don’t have to prove diddly squat, which makes the cops lazy sometimes
bah who wants a 14 yr old
not me … my daughters soured me on that age permanently
OcDoc it also doesn’t help that most public defenders do 0 public defending
The supreme court ruled you cant be found guilty for make believe pedophilia, for example animated child porn is legal but real children is a felony very serious.
sure some of them look good physically, but mentally they are not ready for sex
US-Male me
mentally they’re not ready for ANYTHING
well yeah because simulations aren’t real.
you could be screwing up her whole life
Oops! — http://cbs2chicago.com/video/?id=27042@wbbm.dayport.com&cid=33
And in fact in Japanese culture its acceptable. I dont find it acceptable. but They sell it in Japan legally.
US-Male i am a republican so anything under 14 will do fine
a photo-realistic depiction of child pornography is troubling, but not illegal.
well, some were campaigning to make cartoons illegal
joke
h i’m looking for some republican pages. anyone around today?
hah
oh look! Trolls, how cute!
suerrat - haha.
HI trolls ! entertain us
how quaint
rofl .. sewer rat … how appropriate
excuse me, i’m not a troll i’m a politician
And the whole barely legal thing is to get guys who fantasize about 15-17 year old girls or it wouldnt sell, and it sells big time.
markfley - your dick is partisan ?
Was only joking. Seriously though the media took the Foley story to absurd hights
Decider eh that varries… recently there as a guy arrested for selling simulated child porn on his website
that’s so lame when a troll needs help from a buddy
politician, troll… what’s the difference?
sometimes my penis leans to the left, but it usually leans to the right
he did not do anything with that guy and he also left republicans
suerrat - naturally. did you expect anything less?
politicians give pedophiles a bad name
i’m rarely a moderate page spooner
haha
Decider he took images of 18-20 year olds, and modified the images to make them look underage
MarkFoley - how’s the AA rehab goin ?
Pretty good, I’ve been doing a lot of reading. Turning a lot of “pages” if you get my drift.
Actually as the democrats seem to be saying, homosexuals are natually inclined to pedophilia..
Kobushi - its still simulated though. No ‘child’ was harmed.
Apparently he was arrested because the imagry was presented as being girls under 18y/o
hehe
Decider doesn’t matter when the cuffs are on
cuffs, now that’s hot
kobushi - hmm. so it was the presentation ?
FreeTimer, and they’re defended by the Dims
One interesting point which was made. Roman Polanski committed pedophilia and is still a celebrated director ok, So did Woddy Allen.
I can’t say the no child left behind inititive has been successful, however my “no page left behind” inititive was a bold success and will be remembered for decades to come
And hes a celebrated celebrity
Decider that’s what I gather… I only heard it on the radio, haven’t found specifics
Hes a good guy! That bothers me
kobushi - i guess i agree with that then, if he was attempting to traffic in what he presented as child porn.
FT it’s OK if you’re not a Republican
Decider same concept as people being arrested for selling fake drugs
as it would be illegal to attempt to sell fake heroine
only Republican pedos are bad
yeah
Roman Polanski and Woddy allen should be sharing a cell with Jamon and Raoul..
oh goodie … the same sarcastic bullshit that we keep hearing over and over again …. I”m thrilled
But, I think it should be legal to sel fake drugs
hah i don’t have a big prob with it
It would lower the black market value
US, its ok if you are rich famous or a Democrat.
and sew distrust in the drug industry
black market pages?
yeah or if you’re someone leftwingers love then you can fuck children and it’s all good
Like fidels castros over 100k murders dont count
FreeTimer democrats are nothing but filthy socialists and should be killed. John Bolton forever
OcDoc spelling nazi
only Pinochets 3000k, alledged..
what did I say?
3000 I mean 3k
if only Michael Jackson were held to the same standard
OcDoc “it’s not what you said *sob* it’s HOW you said it!! WAAAAAH!”
where did I correct your spelling? there, there …
Jackson is post birth abortion
FreeTimer Lets pray to god John Bolton will get elected again.
OcDoc sew, sow
suer your a troll
FreeTimer so he can kill UN from within
he wasn’t eletced, moron
He was never elected hehe
damn, can we have intelligent trolls ?
FreeTimer I am not a troll.
kobushi - i wonder if that arrest or conviction will hold up.
3Abusive domain or user
Well then get your facts straight
well, you’re stupid if you think Bolton was elected
FreeTimer And the world bank is complaining that Paul Wolfowitz is to hard on corruption
hmm
god forbid that the UN should ever be an effective force for freedom and wealth in the world
HAHA, what did poor lil Thargor do?
thargor is ok, but some oher ban is linked to him..
Decider dunno, I haven’t been able to find any more info on it
its complicated I forget
Blah
KoBushi - for instance, would it be a crime to intentionally mislable a caption “Jane Doe, 14″ on home-made porn?
let alone peace
I had to ground my nephew and it sucks
MissLaVey that’s the thing; he is POOR. LOL
someone with a close address to his is in trouble and he gets caught up in it, comet has a way to fix it I think but she isnt here
the UN is crap as a “world body” for anything positive
grey areas make BAD law
ocdoc - yeah i agree
Poor kicking poor is well knowed issue.
so why go to the edge?
i’ve known Thargor forever
I grounded him from all digital entertainment for 2 weeks
at very least they require well-delineated law.
Decider, it would not be a crime, I can tell you that. unless Jane doe was 14
in other words, whom does mislabeling harm?
anyway. any logicians around?
Oh you mean if you sell it ? Oh hmm
it’s not possible and probably not desireable to completely eliminate all bad stuff in the world
No
ocdoc - i don’t beleive it should be considered a crime, but apparently that’s the analogous situation with Kobush’s actual example. ocdoc - yea, i agree.
concentrate on the obviously bad guys who will actually harm someone
its not illegal unless the actors are 14 at the time of the movie
as long as you’re a lefty, it’s OK to bone little kids
thats already clear law its not illegal
ocdoc - i wasn’t arguing the counter of that.
FreeTimer there was a man recently arrested for taking images of 18-20 y/os and modifying them to look like underaged girls, and seling them as child porn online
well, wording of the law is important I guess
you can call a porn film sweet 13 and use to 18 year olds and its legal
freetimer - in Kobushi’s citation, a man was arrested for essentially selling phony child porn. of course no kids were actually harmed.
to = two
ocdoc - of course it is.
isn’t that “fasle advertising” ? hahah
US-Male lol
Well if the guy claimed he was selling child porn and he mislead people that itself is a crime
hah
you cant sell a product by misrepresenting it
‘false advertisement’
lol true
but if the courts only try to prosecute people who are actually a threat, it will be much easier to word the law
FreeTimer but he is facing child pornography charges
that’s not necessarily true though its not universally illegal to lie
falsely advertising a crime is not illegal
I am still really really pissed off.
Though, who is going to call the cops and say I got ripped off I was trying to buy child porn and it was really adults!
lying is not illegal ever except in some cases
hehe
FreeTimer lol indeed
but in those cases it’s not the lying but the rest that makes the lying illegal … like “under oath”
freetimer - nobody, but this guy was still arrested for child porn that wasn’t child porn.
that’s the problem with victimless crimes …
Decider, Then I htink he has a good case for aquittal or appeal
fucking iran an d north korea are playing with nukes and you silly fucks are arguin child porn
ocdoc - well, giving false statements is illegal lying, and that’s not under oath.
The supreme court already ruled right that you could animate, i.e., make fake child porn and it was legal.
right … first you arrest him and then you find out it’s not real child porn … then you let him go
freetimer - we’re not sure if he was even tried or convicted or pled yet.
Didnt they ?
bah nukes don’t scare me
I thought they did ?
I grew up in the Cold War
AHHH this was in the UK
i believe that MAY still be up in the air.
here is a link http://www.boingboing.net/2006/08/16/uk_man_faces_jail_ov.html
I don’t think so … can you give me an example?
kobush - thanks
ahh the cold war, another war the donkeys did not want to fight. thats the price you pay for ignoring history
Gay marriage, pedophelia, all about sex offenders and victims; god damn victimhood showbiz
OcDoc - Its not legal to lie to investigators when giving statements.
you know what cracks me up?
DearthBerg is a social warrior
when I was growing up it was largely assumed we’d be nuked someday
I disagree it’s illegal to mislead an investigator
The U.S. Supreme Court Tuesday struck down a 6-year-old law that prohibits the distribution and possession of virtual child pornography that appears to — but does not — depict real children. The law had banned a range of techniques — including computer-generated images and the use of youthful-looking adults — which were designed to convey the impression of minors engaging in sexually explicit conduct.
obstruction of justice
US-Male, still an option
The 6-3 ruling says the law violates the First Amendment guarantee of freedom of speech. The decision hands a major setback to the Justice Department and the majority of Congress in their legislative efforts to fight child pornography.
but that is the same thing as lying under oath
so one day you get nuked and it’s all over — you know, one day we’re all going to “pass on” shall we say I hate to bring it up but none of use are going to live forever
As long as no minors were actually involved, it shouldn’t be a crime imo
The opinion cited several artistically significant instances in which teenage sex was portrayed, including William Shakespeare’s play “Romeo & Juliet,” and the recent movies “Traffic” and “American Beauty.”
gotta go do chores
OcDoc - yes, i know.
In a separate dissent Rehnquist, backed by Scalia, strongly disagreed with the majority, saying “the computer-generated images are virtually indistinguishable from real children.” I dont know where I would come down on the issue which is why I would be a good justice I would have to see the evidence and the arguments first
one of the open questions is whether entrapment on shows like Dateline is illegal - since it was all faked (i.e., no child was involved in any way)
OcDoc - but you’re not “under oath” when you’re giving statements to investigators.
FreeTimer but what is the purpose of child pornography laws? To protect children or to prevent people from acting on thier perversion?
but you’re still required by law to be truthful.
I say it’s the former looking at artificial child porn doesn’t harm anyone… unless maybe you get caught by your wife lol
3josephs - yeah…in many ways is manufactured crimes.
This one seems obvious as porn October 1993, Toronto artist Eli Langer, 27, is charged under the new law for a show of paintings of people engaged in sex. Some appear to be young males under 18. It is the first case involving the new child pornography legislation. A judge rules the works have “artistic merit.” The charges are dropped. Despite this, the Ontario government uses a forfeiture application to seize the work as child porn with the intention o
the republicans are supposed to lose this november right? “Teach them a lesson” right? one election loss, it teaches republicans a lesson, yet three election losses does not teach a fucking ignorant donkey a god damn thing.
intent is just as important
funny huh never find that in the media
If the actors were really under 17 I would consider it child porn
and people wonder why I thikn democrats should be shot on site
lol
darthburg - are you talking to yourself?
January 2001, the Supreme Court of Canada rules on the case of John Robin Sharpe, 67, a retired city planner in Vancouver charged with possessing child porn. Two lower courts in British Columbia had acquitted Sharpe, citing the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
are you a democrat? up against the wall please.
Wow
DarthBurg: so vote libertarian
In Canada child pedophilia seems to be ok but hate speech is a crime.. I dont get it
There was a guy at work who got pick on and comited suicide; i wish i wasn’t one of those abusers
DarthBurg: if repubs need to be a taught a lesson; then do so; and ignore the dems.
Sharpe had pictures of boys younger than 14 engaged in sex, and a collection of his own stories titled “Kiddie Kink Classics.”
it certainly didn’t teach Queensryche anything…
younger than 14 = 13 or less
Libertine not until the libertarians figure out that you have take over a couple of states, first.
FreeTimer, there motto is “love not hate” 
enagaged in sex 3j I guess so!
DarthBurg: hard to take over a few states if you dont get votes from guys like yourself. first.
lately, I have been filled with just the nastiest loathing for the opposition party.
DarthBurg: as a man who considered himself educated in politics; isn’t it your job to be leading the way?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/childporn/
DarthBurg: waiting for others to get libs those states; is not going to happen w/o leaders going forward; first…
Libertine good point, I should give up being a productive member of society and get roped into the system?
look at the picture of this guy sharpe
been thinking about it
he looks like a pervert even
DarthBurg: i can think of worse fates
Libertine I can’t. I have better things to do than have the national media lie about my political views. we start tossing reporters in jail for fact checking erros, I might consider it.
Pedophilia is daily activity in redneckistan; Gun, Sex and Booze; LOL
otherwise, i can not think of any good reason to get involved in politics. I have thought about it a lot.
If pedophiles have a constitutional right to free expression, Tobias said, “it is dwarfed by the interests of children in our society. In my submission,” she urged the judges, “we ought not sacrifice children on the altar of the Charter.” The Supreme Court ruling could have gone a number of ways. They could have just tossed the ball back to Parliament. hmm canada is weird
leftists are wierd, as such, so are their fucked up little countries. or states
screw it … lunch first, then chores!
I dont know. its a weird area of law.. OcDoc, Hmm I need to get to work myself. damnit
the pizza is enroute.
Yep Better do it later
FreeTimer in Canada there are safety nets; unlike US a mother doesn’t have to prostitute their childrens to live.
Lunch? It’s 2pm there isn’t it?
i am still really mad.
Euth Nazi. Umm In america a mother doesnt have to prostitute herself either where the FUCK do you get your information ?
Euthanazi has obviously perusing the EHO web site, you know the guys who hate America’s medical system, and love cuba’s
if I spli with my wife she could have welfare tommorrow and a government subsidized home in no time and a check fromt he government for telephone and other shit So are you trolling or what ?
I am voiving a opinion
FreeTimer Mark My Words, Tolerating this stupidity at the political level will come back to haunt us.
voicing
No you are not you are voicing a lie
LOL
and there is a huge difference
Clinton debating…
you are wrong
Canadian Nazi, Say something else to me.
I do not live under god’s lies thyat’s for sure
Cuase i have to go soon.. and I want to deal with things now if I need to gods lies ? What the fuck you talking about ? Your freaking insane I am starting to believe.
LOL
crack whores have to prostitute themselves in order to be able to buy the drugs they’re addicted to
i own you nothing but my middle finger LOL what a fag
is the Jaguar XKR really worth $85K?
lol
Sterilized in boiling water
if you want one and can afford it, yes
hehe
Alright to work.. later
Nice punt, a little overdue maybe…
OcDoc, is does look nice it
god’s lies? those were written by mortal man, friends
it’s worth whatevery the buyer and seller can agree that it’s worth or were you asking the channel if it was worth it to YOU?
PANAMA CITY, Panama A referendum to expand the Panama Canal appeared headed for easy approval Sunday, as thousands of supporters in green “Yes” T-shirts cast ballots endorsing the largest modernization project in the 92-year history of the shortcut between the seas.
in which case the answer is “we don’t know”
words democrats never say “We do not know” “We were wrong” “Sorry”
the XK8 seems like a better vallue though
if they can’t sell them for that price they’ll lower the price or stop selling them
not necessarily
dems say “sorry” all the time
me too
oh? what’s the third choice?
“I’m sorry you dipshits were offended” OcDoc, oh, there are many more choices
we’re sorry the white males have mistreated you just one will do
OcDoc ok, exchange sorry for, “I will resign”
ah
OK EVERYONE I AM BACK who missed me?
oh, joy
common you sexy bastards dont be shy
OcDoc, since for high end luxury items *image* is everything, they may well price an item *above* market value to retain some prestige
break time…. hrmmm a sewer rat…
CryHavoc im jewish
and?
you mean price something that never sells just for boasting rights?
CryHavoc Hewwo?
hello I am americam….*shrug
okay .. I’ll buy that as a third possibility
no, you didn’t hear me i didn’t say “never sells”
CryHavoc Hewwo? me be rat? waaaa wwaaaa momy
no, I said “never sells”
OcDoc, i know you did, and it was based on a misconception
I said, if they can’t sell the car at the list price they’ll lower the price or stop selling them
OcDoc, pricing above market value does NOT mean it never sells
digital cameras are kick ass..but pic editing takes time….
it’s based on a misconception of demand curves
gonna run 17 auctions tomorrow
making cars they can’t sell for the value of being able to say so is a third possibility that I didn’t think of
CryHavoc listen you sexy tub i agree totaly on this new auction policy
demand curves are usually continuous
except where they touch “zero”
pricing away from market optimum does NOT mean sales drop to zero
there are a lot of factors involved
I didn’t say they did
OcDoc, you appeared to believe they did
I said (for the third time) if they can’t sell them at that price they will lower the price or stop selling them and you said there were lots of other possibilities and I asked for one
again you just said it “if they can’t sell them”
panini whats you social status?
you have to get over that misconception before we can continue
so you gave me an example of a third possibility and that was the end of the discussion as far as I was concerned
SuerRat, nobility
panini I have a stove for sale
the topic line is kind of funny.
panini is a member of the “me first” generation
is he a babyboomer?
I don’t know if he’s ever boomed a baby
heh
increasing the price above market value *reduces* the sales not eliminates them, until you increase the price so much that demand at that price drops to zero
yes, we put it there to amuse you
babyboomers - 1946-1964
I agree
SuerRat, what kind of stove?
and that it did. It’s downright ludicrous….
For those who are interested….
we also put it there to lude you
panini made of gold
www.floridatreasure.net/music
panini i will sell it to you or five bux
SuerRat, dumb idea… gold has a low melting point
cryhavoc - i have a hard time buying a 42 year old as “baby boomer” for some reason.
Scotland the brave Funerary and Martial
abt Celtic there yet? any?
Decider what in gods name is a baby banger?
what celtic did ye want oc
“baby banger”
did you watch the music video I posted earlier?
what’s up with foley
you sent me some of that girl with the gorgeous voice but couldn’t make it download any more
hahaha
alas no…I just got done pic editing….. Loreena McKennitt?
poor Dems still desparate on “foley”
they’re still holding ethics committee hearings
no, someone less famous
dems are hanging all their election hopes on foley
yawn
let me look
ya sleep through your loss
CryHavoc are you sexy?
aoife ni fhearraigh do ye?
o_O
the absolute laffer is the DNC borrowing 5 mil and giving it to Mad Howie
auf englisch
that shit just cracks me the fuck up
CryHavoc är du en sexig pudding?
connie dover and heather alexander?
LOL….the GOP was in deep shit BEFORE FoleyGate. That just added to its woes.
sorry mad one…she is a Celtic songstress
panini - hah. yeah, keep believing that. Foley is a minor issue, at best probably worth a couple seats, his being one of them.
she does not do english
Foley is a blip on the electoral radar as far as the democratic takeover is concerned
ic
Never underestimate the GOP’s ability to snatch Defeat from the Jaws of victory.
there may not be a takeover
I love celtic bell voices…
the Repubs are in almost as deep as the Democrats have been for the last eight years
ok all sexy fat bastards im going to bed
that’s about it. What is sinking the GOP is spelled I-R-A-Q
ocdoc…about 15 minutes brb
don’t trouble yourself now
well, we’ll see what happens, i don’t think Interngate will have a large effect
turba - yeah, and their failed / lackluster domestic policies.
anytime will do … just let me know
here is a little quandry no democrat will ever be able to reconcile. One election loss teaches republicans “A Lesson” yet, the donks do not have to learn anything at all, after three election losses. no one can explain that baised shit away
it’s not helped either that the GOP used the evangelical Christians to win elections, and then kind of pissed in their faces.
darthburg - 1. that’s not a quandry. 2. that’s only from the phantom democrats in your head that you pretend to do battle with.
evangelical christians.. you mean like Jesse Jackson adn Al Sharpton?
Gay Americans, vote GOP ! you know the Dems hate you
I am referring to evangelical christian voters (but you can play games if you insist)
Turba, foley is the *first* issue the dems could get against the repubs
what’s that, 5% of Americans ?
truba - haha yeah. they took that support for granted, which is understandable because sheep are generally predictable.
and 10% of formerly Democratic votes ?
like all those voters in Jesse Jackson and Al Sharptons congregations?
your problem is that the Dems really did not NEED an issue. They were doing quite well without FoleyGate.
The media has every one thinking the Dims are going to sweep
“2. that’s only from the phantom democrats in your head that you pretend to do battle with.” - ok, that was pretty funny
oh, cool Beautiful
your problem is that the Dems really did not NEED an issue.
sweetleaf - “sweep” meaning what? win both houses ?
as much as you want FoleyGate to vaporize, it’s not going to happen. Ms. Pelosi insured that.
LOL
notice how Decider immedietly denies cold hard reality.
“foleygate” how pathetic lol
unfortunately, Foley resigned right away so it’s a non-issue
this is a requirement for being a democrat.
whee!
please, try not to talk about vaginal discharges around dinner time, okay?
I laughed my ass off when the GOP leadership wanted to “delay investigations” until after the election. Ma Pelosi brought the hammer down on that one.
Decider it dont matter the media is doing a lot of campaining for their side the liberal side
I laugh when Dems hang onto a dead issue Gore won ! wheeeee Kerry won Ohio !
US-Male: it’s not a dead issue. Check the assorted polls. Foley and his antics have voters pissed off.
you’re desparate
sweetleaf - hahah okay buddy. wah wah. liberal media. wah wah
and it’s sad
nice excuse.
US-Male: but you can deny it all you want. In fact, you should not even bother to vote. It’
Turba, to bad nobody cares
yeah, republicans should have known better than to ask for some respect.
It’s in the bag for the GOP.
you’re desparate and it’s sad Gay Americans, vote GOP !
Turba, you better hope so, because it’s the ONLY issue you may or may not have
US-Male: I’m not desperate in the least. The polls all show MY side taking over power….:0
gay folks can see the Dems hate them
Decider: heh.. not a bush fan i guess?
Turba - many republicans will be too ashamed / unexcited to vote, i suspect.
actually.. the polls show that foley has had virtually no effect overall.. but hey, when one is desperate
US-Male…..not until 11/8/2006
pure unadulterated seething gay-hate !
What is the Dim Plan when they get elected????
this election will get us the same thing the last three democrat losses have gotten us, 50/50 split
they have no plan
some of my formerly die hard GOP friends have admitted that they just can’t see pulling a lever for GOP candidates this year.
Decider, ashamed? Are you mad?
Libertine - Yeah. Bush is a magnificent disappoitnment, if not outright failure as a president.
the dems will whore for votes…the GOP is no different…
oh wait investigations
it’s not in the bag for either of the bipartisans …. they’re both liars and power mad and the country is almost evenly divided between the two parties
Dems are funny when they rely on “polls” which really fucked them the last two elections
example…heh the GOp stressing religious tolerance…..
TheTailor - that’s my reading of teh electorate.
polls do not elect people
Ashamed / unexcited… like those are connected somehow?
no mention 2 2008 Potentials walk in lockstep with the holy roller right
here goes the old “let’s diss the polls” again.
that music is beautiful … thanks!
even EXIT polls were not accurate haw haw haw
when you’ve no other answer left, try to dismiss the polls….
hey Teo..yer here early
it’s making me cry … guess I better go do chorse
turba - hah yaeh
Decider, then you must have very poor vision.
I love polls because it makes Dimocrats thinkg they are “winning” and suppresses their vote
turba and the polls also showed Gore and Kerry were winning
TheTailor - oh, you can read the electorate better? please give us your predictions
a sterling silve barf bowl
Dems think “we won already” then they don’t bother voting - lol
Decider, I don’t predict.
when Foley is mentioned, IMMEDIATELY dredge up the name Gerry Studds (as if that has anything to do with Foley’s actions)
but dems think the DID win
PLUS they bashed gay voters for 2 months solid
theTailor - yet you’ll decry others’ predictions. intersting.
gay voters who formerly voted for them
OcDoc, let ‘em keep thinking that
but…..SHHHHHHH….don’t bring up Dan Crane…..
Decider, but I’m not dumb enough to think that people won’t vote because they are somehow *ashamed*.
The Republicans are going to get taken to the woodshed this time, amazingly.
no, it has something to do with double standards
2006 predictions….. GOP keeps Senate….
TheTailor - i think republican turnout will be depressed this year
shall we mention Dan Crane ?
Decider, you said that 4 years ago too.
at least 3 House rep races where cheating will be rampant
