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the heavy traffic was apparently more than the system could bear what with the large numbers of people receiving
And blue-haired old ladies don’t belong on superbikes.
And they’ve been fighting on that virtual border ever since.
Sheba Farms anyone?
In a way that southern border of Lebanon isn’t really Lebanon…but that’s making things a little complicated…
Is it possible that Hezbollah was strengthened by that extended conflict?
Oh just a little.
that perhaps it wasn’t worth it?
Sheba farms is considered part of the Golan.
yeah well was any of it worth it?
yowz|| what up
These things just didn’t come out of thin air
Ajofi, I know lebanese people outside of hezbollah they are pro western, they are liberal (IN the good use of the word), They are very much like americans.. They dress like us, they listen to our music, many of them are christians etc.
Even Ben Gurion lamented settling in Israel rather than Britain
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He’s cool
gopp, if i have 20 songs on my ipod i just got, anyway to load more without erasing what i’ve already got on there? this thing can hold like 6000 songs
The problem is htey have been plagued with terrorists.
Those on the left need to realize that groups like Hamas and Hezbollah aren’t the rebel alliance. They’re butchers.
and Israels dealing with the terrorists on thier land.
Terrorists come from occupation FreeTrade.
Maybe Israel’s conduct hasn’t been the best.
Ajofi, Many many palestinians are not terrorists.
yowz|| yes
You have two ideologies that fundamentally disagree with each other.
yowz|| you can
Arab rejection of jews predates the creation of Israel
how
yowz|| which ipod model
I would say with confidence the vast majority are not terrorists. but the minority who are terrorists prevent them from having a stae.
gopp, i don’t have it here right now, it’s at home
state
why is it earsing what you put it should not are you using itunes with itunes
Such is the rebel’s dilemma. You will always have some who are not yet ready to become rebels. But the occupied are the pool from which terrorists are born.
in prefence menu click add I think thier option
i don’t use itunes
if it not to overwrite
Ajofi, Israel is ready to negotiate, Hamas is not. Fata is ready to negotiate
you have to use itune s unless you boy some third party software
The kid looks scared as hell though
the only reason murder has to continue on both sides is because of hamas
yowz|| ipod synch offically only works with itunes
Hamas just said last week that they’d negotiate if Israel would establish a Palestinian state in the 1967 border.
what i have here is songs of cd’s here i want to put on
you can’t drag and drog to ipod icon k good
Hamas has said this twice Freetrade.
then use itunes
Ok we accept israel but we want to negotiate our own countries boundaries.
They have said they will negotiate.
thats all they have to say
to convert the cd’s to mp3 it kept in your libary
Ajofi, they have not
thanks gopp, i’ll give it a try
after it ripped
they have taken it back
That’s what they’ve said. They just won’t said they recognize Israel’s right to exist. That’s a different thing.
then
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They have said it.
make a playlist
they have come close and then pulled it away
these 20 songs were on the ipod before i got it
I’ll have to run the numbers, though.
The building of settlements on the West Bank by Sharon and Begin was not in Israel’s best interest.
yowz|| try the smart playlist it best tool
It was an attempt to create facts on the ground
make a smart playlist until it all ripped after
Hamas agrees to 1967 border http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3342179,00.html
err not until then drag the smart playlist or playlist after it ripped
The following week after that article, Freetrade. Israel said that the 1967 border is impossible.
There position today ajofi is that Israel has no right to exist, or I would say its more like they simply refuse to acknolwege it.
to your ipod icon in itunes
Scared? I think he looks more indifferent than anything else.
let it synch
Why should they?
it takes some time if large transfer
but as the people suffer and starve under Hamas eventually the people are going to turn to fata..
5 min at most that all
ok but kids are usually excited about stuff like that
I don’t think so.
but yowz|| if you don’t want to use itunes or use apple firmware
True
you can use rockbox
Collective punishment is not convincing.
which is open source firmware
And a lot of people sure believe Abbas is the real deal in wanting to negotiate.
one of the hardest things in life is…….to watch your daughter and 3 month old grandaughter go into the airport, knowing you’re not going to see em for 3-4 months, man, i hate that
Only if Palestinians give up and fall into the same trap as before.
it allows you to drag and drop .mp3 .acc (none drm) .ogg and such to any folder
Ajofi, if they want a land of their own, they must accept as a precondition the existance of Israel.
on your formated with rocxbox firmware and drag to the ipod hd icon like a normal transfer but it has no video support
the most peaceful time we’ve seen in the area was during the time after the Oslo accords
Freetrade there is no possibility of a viable Palestinian state the way the West Bank looks today. when was the last time you looked at a map of the West Bank and the current state of settlements?
FreeTra5w, the vast majority of Israelis (Except for some extremists, like the Settlers) as well as the Israeli government accept a 2 state solution FreeTra5w, its the Palestinians who are having problems accepting it
hahaha “In the post-Christmas rush to power up and use their new iPods, an onslaught of downloaders brought iTunes to its knees, according to CNN.
Ajofi yes there is. YOu start with negotiations. And yes I have seen maps
Until there is an END to settlement activity I would totally oppose any secession of hostility. And I’m not even a Palestinian. I could care less about their land.
There is this matter of Netanyahu, Sharon et al violating the agreements
the heavy traffic was apparently more than the system could bear, what with the large numbers of people receiving iPods and iTunes gift cards. Perhaps Apple was underestimating just how successful they were going to be?
I would not negotiate SQUAT until Israel stopped stealing land by building and expanding West Bank settlements.
amen ajofi
Colonization must stop for there to even be a CHANCE at coming to the table.
jhicks, The Palestinians have violated almost every agreement they’ve ever signed
and basically balkanizing the palestinians
Colonization is what makes Israel an apartheid state.
jhicks, They sign ceasefires and launch missiles into Israeli civilian areas the next day
who violated the oslo accords first?
heh…I like that poem that DarthBurg quoted earlier…”No Enemies” by Charles MacKay
And until its status as an apartheid state is not recognized there will be no end to hostility and not end to terrorism.
jhicks, who rejected Ehud Barak’s 2000 deal?
Arafat And with good cause
There was more settlement activity under Barak than any other prime minister.
Oh! I so want an Allied Signal JFS100!
I did
So yeah with good cause.
jhicks?
That was a fantastic deal
Ajofi, Until Hamas is ready to accept Israel there will only be poor palestinians with no official land
Even though Arafat was a fat fuck.
no it wasn’t
was there a good cause?
It was a HORRIBLE deal.
jhicks?
Thats a fact ajofi
jhicks, Why, specifically was it not?
you sound like netanyahu Harsen__
It was institutionalized racism! then they are at an impass that will last forever.
They kept spinning what a great deal it was
Because until the colonization stops, there will be no peace.
It WAS NOT
Does it detail in here what kind of fuels they run on?
jhicks, It offered the Palestinians 100% of Gaza, 95% of West Bank, 25 billion dollars in initial aid, ownership of most of Jerusalem and custodianship of the Temple Mount, for their own state.
WASHINGTON - Incoming Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid will miss the state funeral for former President Gerald Ford at the Capitol Rotunda on Saturday night, opting instead to lead a delegation to South America with an expected stop at the Machu Picchu Inca ruins.
The US, Olmert, others are ready to and wanting to negotiate with abbas But hamas is the obstacle.
Colonization is what started it. That’s what will end the conflict.
talk about low class
I’ve heard some people from that region say it was a good deal and he should have taken it?
Hey comet !
he’s got a wood burning turbine
FreeTrade )
i’m honesly curious jhicks?
reid has no class at all
Settlements are the obstacle.
I’ll have to go dig up those old references gimme a little time
Apartheid is the obstacle.
could you please, I’d like to know
the balkanization of palestine
Hey, if they’ll burn pump gas is all I’m worried about.
the impossibility of traveling from town to town in palestine to conduct trade etc
ah
because of settlement roads
geographic problems
and israeli army outposts
Turning the West Bank into bantustans.
yes
sure
exactly that
into bantustans?
nothing will be fixed until that is resolved
It’s totally non viable.
Ajofi, You have to deal with reality. you know thats something neither conservatives or Leftists can escape from .
A state could NEVER exist in the West Bank.
and it is the primary cause of violence
it’s impossible.
Nothing will be fixed, until Palestinian groups stop firing missiles into Israel and trying to murder Israeli civilians
And the reality in Israel/palestinian possibilities is exactly what I said it was.
I’m a realist freetrade.
oh god freetrade :{
Nope, I disagree freetrade.
what is bantustans?
Colonization must end.
cause? effect?
mxdx, Ok I invite you to explain how I am wrong please ?
If it’s not going to end, there will be no peace and I won’t disagree with that.
which came first, chicken or the egg
i’m not sure many people agree with freetrade on much
mxdx do a search for bantustan on google
jhicks, So basically, the Israeli civilians deserve to be bombed because of some past actions of their government? jhicks, Nice.
MxDx, I invite people to debate me and disagree ok, I dont invite ad homs
It refers to apartheid South African and how they divided the land up.
when you watch your children die because IDF won’t let you through to hospitals it makes you pissed off this happens a lot
yeah i get you jhicks
I am very fair, ask ajofi.. You disagree with me then do like ajofi is doing and argue with me. if you simply want to make issue of my personality then I can deal with that.
jhicks, If you stood up agianst terror gangs in your own lands, the IDF would let you through far more often.
I will say that FreeTrade has a high percentage of fairness.
./ignore FreeTra5w
But it’s not 100% uh oh
mxdx why
i don’t want to fight with you freetrade
5Disrespect
No, the illegal settlements and other provocations are part of this vicious cycle not the whole story but a big part of it
Hmm he had 2 clients on channel ?
no
Now see there is an example Ajofi. Do you see how i have debated you without calling you names ?
jhicks, the biggest part of this story, is the complete rejection of ANY Israeli state by the many Palestinians, Hamas, and the other Arab states.
And this guy comes in and starts attacking me after I invite him to disagree with me ?
It’s the beginning of the conflict and it is the primary key to its resolution. he was crazy ft and that’s a useful ad hom
yeah I have no issue with debate, just treat me with respect Ill do you back the same way. But anyway.. thats the past.
How about Yitzhak Rabin’s memoirs? ever read them? try it sometime
Israel is a colony. OBVIOUSLY the indigenous people do not want to recognize a foreign occupier as being valid. Their ideologies are at odds. They’re mutually incompatible until they both realize they aren’t going to get what the want.
Ajofi, But the USA was a colony
And I’m not so sure they’re there.
and we aint packing up and leaving.
Yea but we effectively engaged in enough near genocide.
ajofi, The jews who moved to Israel during the First Aliyah and later primarily bought their lands through legal means from absentee land owners in the region.
So you think that would be a good solution for Israel, ajofi?
Israel is unwilling to ethnically cleanse all in one shot.
So the reality is Israel isnt leaving and most the world recognized its existance.
They’re using apartheid instead.
They didn’t “force” a majority of Palestinians off land, unless they wre squatting.
I know they’re not leaving. Palestinians may not know this yet.
now The Palestinians must conform with world opinion and get theirs while they can.
but historically Israel has had a lotta ups and downs
And certainly Hamas and IJ don’t know this. They think they can still fight.
Palestinians have an opportunity now to get something.
more downs than ups actually
Its possible some day they wont have any opportunities anymore. I personally believe peace will happen.. I Honestly believe that strongly But its a matter of time.
Not going to happen until the colonization aspect is resolved.
and its up right now to the Palestinians to act
the West Bank isn’t viable in its current condition there are 10’s of thousands of families that would have to be relocated dealing with the West Bank makes the Gaza relocation look like something that could be done with Tonka toys It could spart an Israeli civil war to do that. spark
Ajofi, Hong Kong is a big rock, It has no natural resources, its one of the wealthiest ex countries in the world.
Especially with the religious crazies. They don’t give a crap about the legitimacy of the Israeli state.
FreeTra5w, Right, due to Free Trade primarily
no, they want jesus to come kill all the jews eep
Harsen yep… and low taxes
no
ok, maybe not kill them hehe
i’m talkingn about the religious Jews settlers
15% flat tax. no other taxes
oh
not dispensationlists
also very low regulations
i thought you meant j falwell
the dispensationalists are even worse those people are - oh my god - send them into orbit please deprived of oxygen at birth
You could open a new buisness in Hong Kong in 1 day, at the time of the study it took years to open a buisness in India But India is reforming
FreeTra5w, India has been held back for many years primarily because of central planning, regulation and subsidy FreeTra5w, Generally the freer the market and people, the better they will live in the end
massive red tape in india, getting worse not better it’s a cultural thing i think intricate and complex
“Zionist colonization, even the most restricted, must either be terminated or carried out in defiance of the will of the native population. This colonization can, therefore, continue and develop only under the protection of a force independent of the local population - an iron wall which the native population cannot break through. This is, in toto, our policy towards the Arabs. To formulate it any other way would only be hypocrisy.” Jaboti
Regulation is the biggest problem in India. Bureaucracy is prohibitively cumbersome. At one point it took months if not years to get a permit to set up a stall in a bazaar.
yep
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/photo/2006/12/27/PH2006122701906.html?nav=hcmodule
harsen absolutely true, and yet sometimes its counterintuitive which is why people resist it.
wonderful picture
Pickle yep..
rumsfeld looks like bill lumbergh from Office Space just give him the coffee mug
ok, i’m going to play some guitar now. good afternoon peoples of terra.
oh come on, nobody has any commentary on that pic
People worry about losing 1000 jobs maybe worth 10 million to the macro economy (Taking a wild guess) and favor regulations which sot the macro economy billions to save those jobs. Those figures obviously I cant back up they are more like examples of why protectionism is often difficult to break.
classy photo td omg that’s dick!
sot = cost
he look human back then *looks *almost
cost billions to save millions makes no sense. the free market you must truly have faith in it and if you do you will see where it is practiced it is provably beneficial and rewarding to the people of that country.
yeah dick cheney, rumsfeld and president ford in the oval office, 1975 they look so weird
FreeTra5w, The thing about government regulation is this. The intention of the regulators may be very very good, like helping people in distressed circumstances. However, the effects, and net benefit of the program is more often then not very very different then the regulator’s original intentions. For instance, the minimum wage hurts people in distressed circumstances more then it helps them.
its not total faith because empirical evidence proves its right over and over again.. But you must let go if the steel industry is going away let it go away, let go.. And have faith something better will come along. San Diego was a Military economy heavily When the military money stopped coming to San Diego th eeconomy went into a deep deep recession. Some said it was the end of it
democracy is at least somewhat incompatible with capitalism and free trade though
But then they got into high tech and are not a major high tech center in the USA and they have a very positive economy
because when there are undesired outcomes dictated by the free market, democracy allows for people to legislate alternative outcomes and disrupt the free market
ajofi, Which economic system, in your opinion, is compatable with democracy?
hybrid a portion of our economy is planned, with highly regulated monopolies, along with free market aspects
Ajofi but if you look at economic case models. almost invariably where protectionism is studied it fails
what sectors should have monopolies?
and where it is not practiced both countries economies gain.
true, but it’s the short term result that people are always after airline industry bailouts
for example mexico and america
automobile industry bailouts
if tomatoes have a better season in mexico it pays for america to buy mexican if american tomatos do better it pays to buy american
Automobile industry bailouts are pretty silly
that’s commodities
The auto industry in Australia is a classic case study of protectionism and its failures.
i was under the impression that the whole point of the agricultural futures market was to guarantee income for famers
So is the 80s protectionism in the US of the auto industry
farmers woulud get a contract for x amount at y dollars and that was the contract
or 70s whenever it was
if the farmer lost his shit, well then the contract still had to be paid so i’m unclear on all these farm subsidies and why they are needed - especially with large agribusinesses that now run the show
The futures market is simply a bet on how well the market will do.. Low production = high prices = make out like a bandit if you bought futures..
they distribute their gains and losses across entire regions now
FreeTra5w protectionism just hurts the American consumer
not always
farm subsidies? you all should have invested in ethanol plants in the midwest starting about 10 yrs. ago.
airline bailouts helped in the short term
A bountiful year lots of product, lots of supply low prices, you lose a fortune on futures if you bought
ethanol is dead end
if you sold them you make money
there isn’t enough land to grow enough fuel but yeah if you bought in 10 years ago…you’d still make money
ethanol is subsidized and protected
ajofi? dead end? for the initial investors…not really….go to www.fagen.com or www.broin.com
hahah FreeTra5w what your opnion of prince harry being sent to iraq
and it benefits noone except a few assholes
yeah yeah i know for initial investors but it’s dead end in the sense that we have to eat there’s only so much land
Thats what critics of ethanol say, it uses arable land for food
ethanol is going to make food cost more because as petrol prices increase, now food prices will increase even faster because we’re competeing food for fuel due to the space limitations to grow both
I’m skeptical of ethanol myself
and with the corn subsidies on top of it it’s insane
I’d rather stop dicking around and drill in ANWR
bad policy
and to make it viable we need to also make ethanol close to where refineries are..
then ethanol
to avoid transportation costs
methanol that’s what we should be looking at easy to convert easy to transport
ajofi, it was just on local radio this a.m…..that in order for the existing ethanol plants to survive, that 7 million MORE acres will need to be planted next year…if you would have bought corn futures last year, when it sold for $1.95….to today for over $3, you’d have done pretty good
highly efficient conversion
It would also require a technology such as some discussed which might use fallow fields for growing fuel or weed like fuels. Is that the right term ? Fallow ? Ones which you can only grown on every other year or so
yeah people will put more money into ethanol to keep their ethanol investment going
ones that have to remain unplanted to regain their nutrition for growing new harvests ?
so it’s a “good” investment because it’s a risky one with an upward track right now but it will collapse or the pigs will go hungry
freetrade, with today’s corn hybrids, you can plant on same field every year
and the cows
You all eat corn. The corn industry = your daddy
that’s the sugar industry sugar daddy
Where do you think that shit comes from these days?
ajofi, that’s not true, because the byproduct of ethanol production is a wonderful food for livestock, with literally no food value taken from the corn
High fructose corn syrup.
Yowz, but the point is you are taking edible food, arable lands for food and converting them to a fuel And we can only do so much not very much unless some new technology comes about which would make it doable..
True, though only one of the several models of ethanol production are set up to make use of it…
there are some technologies I dont really understand them well.
ethanol also doesn’t have the power conversion of petrol or methanol ethanol gives me worse fuel milage
one we have heard of cause bush mentioned it was swich grass. I dont even know what that is.
freetrade, the ethanol industry has been wonderful to me, we’ve done the site piping on 3 of the plants now, BUT, i think when you consider the natural gas it takes to make ethanol, it’s not a realistic return for the consumer
So that means I need to look it up.
it’s a common grass out in the midwest there are various kinds but they’re all called switchgrass they grow quickly
pickle, virtually ALL of the ethanol plants i’ve worked on, sell the end “mash” back to farmers for feed
it’s possible but isn’t really viable either
Who gives a shit about the consumer? Or the taxpayer? Keep sending us those subsidy dollars, suckers, or we’ll accuse you of being a global warming denier.
especially with corn subsidies
Ajofi but then there is the issue of growing it, and i think it needs enzymes, and also they should dry transport it near the refineries and produce it near the refineries, which I am sure the farmers wont allow
Which at least one European politician has raised to the level of severity of holocaust denial.
because they want that extra money in their states but its much cheaper to bring the coponent parts to the refineries and make it than to bring the final product there not to mention much more environmentally sound as per spills etc..
freetrade, ethanol has made MANY millionaires in the dakotas, from the growing/selling of the corn….to their initial investment in the ethanol plants
i dont know how big of a problem ethanol spills are seems like it would largely evaporate
ajofi, it’s just like tipping over a jug of moonshine
yea
Ethanol works just fine. For us.
it’s grain alcohol everclear
That is, those of us living in corn and grain producing regions.
Pickle, if Harper reaches a new equalization deal, you gonna vote for him next election?
methanol is better
Those are dry tons weighed after all the moisture’s been baked out. Convert that into ethanol, an alcohol that can fuel vehicles, and it equals about 1,500 gallons per acre. Bransby’s 6-year average, 11.5 tons a year, translates into about 11,500 gallons of ethanol per acre. An added bonus is the electricity that can be produced from the leftover portions of the crop that won’t convert to ethanol. But this is an advantage primarily in non arable lands.. or poorly arable lands where there are not population centers which are itching for pork subsidies
look up verasun on the stock exchange, i bought stock on the IPO, got out about 3 months ago. was very, very good to me
It this grass grows in the wild like crazy why produce it as a crop ? Why not take it from its natural environment ? Many farmers already grow switchgrass, either as forage for livestock or as a ground cover, to control erosion. Cultivating switchgrass as an energy crop instead would require only minor changes in how it’s managed and when it’s harvested. Switchgrass can be cut and baled with conventional mowers and balers. And it’s a hardy, adaptable perennial, so once it’s established in a field, it can be harvested as a cash crop, either ann here is what I was talking about.
If Harper gives us full exclusion I’ll personally travel to Ottawa to kiss his ballsack. I’m glad my Minister didn’t just see that.
its used as a ground cover in non growing seasons, when you must let ground lay bare I forget the term
Pickle, I’m sure he would not be comfortable with that such arrangement, but he’d be happy to have your vote
Well, it’s a moot point either way since he ain’t gonna do it.
Anyway fields in some cases are paid to keep from growing
freetrade, broin and company is working on the switchgrass thing, and the engineers i’ve talked to that design the plants, say it’s very viable, but the big thing is now is handling, storage, conveying in existing plants, etc….with corn, you have kernels…with grass…well, you have clumps
if you could grow a crop like switch grass in the off years where feilds lay farrow ? Is that the term. Then it would make economic sense Yowz, yep, but corn is an edible food.. thats the main difference. This is what I was talking about: Annual cultivation of many agricultural crops depletes the soil’s organic matter, steadily reducing fertility. But switchgrass adds organic matter—the plants extend nearly as far below ground as above. And with its network of stems and roots, switchgrass holds onto soil even in winter to prevent erosion.
why grow wheat, that yields maybe 50 bush acre @ $4……when you can grow corn with 150-200 bushel an acre @ $3?
And because switchgrass removes carbon dioxide (CO2 ) from the air as it grows, it has the potential to slow the buildup of this greenhouse gas in Earth’s atmosphere.
Because wheat grows better here.
though the dangers of co2 are grossly overestimated if dangerous at all In fact some estimate 15% more crop yield because of increased co2 in the atmosphere
Pickle…..but your weather is more seasonal…
All of our ethanol models use wheat. True, but that’s why.
the US has a bigger swath in which to grow… we out produce everyone
You said “swath.”
corn takes about a month longer to mature than wheat
IA is a US cornfield…
Looking down the road, McLaughlin believes switchgrass offers important advantages as an energy crop. “Producing ethanol from corn requires almost as much energy to produce as it yields,” he explains, “while ethanol from switchgrass can produce about five times more energy than you put in.
NE KS are wheat fields
Exactly. Plus you can plant wheat earlier
When you factor in the energy required to make tractors, transport farm equipment, plant and harvest, and so on, the net energy output of switchgrass is about 20 times better than corn’s.”
pickle, lots of farmers in north dakota, plant what they call winter wheat, plant in fall, sprouts, goes dormant thru winter, sprouts back up in spring
actually we are #3 in wheat
Yes, that dominates Saskatchewan as well
http://bioenergy.ornl.gov/papers/misc/switgrs.html It sounds good. I dont know the cost of production though.
#1 in Corn
Also we grow a lot of canola and various legumes and lentils A little corn, but not much
interesting…India grows more wheat..but we get a better yield http://nue.okstate.edu/Crop_Information/World_Wheat_Production.htm
Cry, I dont know about India but one thing about China is it has very little good arable land for growing crops
Canada is #7 Wheat #10 Corn
http://fageninc.com/ this dude builds ethanol plants, i know him VERY well, he was a fighter pilot in nam, now owns several p-51 mustangs, he and about 3 other guys own a japanese zero, bunch of biplanes, several cessna citations, this guy is frickin LOADED….all from ethanol
China outproduces us on wheat in volume and yield
China grows weat in the north and rice in the south. wheat
Russia also has that hard winter wheat……
cryhavoc, yield, you mean per acre?
as healthy as it gets yowz…yes
America produces more variety of foods than almost anywhere. We produce a lot of wheat, corn, soy, Rice. most the staple grains societies depend on
i have a VERY hard time believing china outproduces the US in wheat yield per acre…maybe overall production, but not in per acre production
However….some factors are not addresses d USA is probably much higher tech in food production
Yowz, Me too.. But I dont think he was saying that, unless I mis understood.
look at the chart
cryhavoc, yield, you mean per acre?
as healthy as it gets yowz…yes
what chart is this?
http://nue.okstate.edu/Crop_Information/World_Wheat_Production.htm its from a US EDU
United States of America 28,789,240 256,904,560 8.92 China 22,040,070 86,100,250 3.91 China 27,398,000 166,417,000 6.07 China 23,520,000 114,175,000 4.85
China like most communists paid no attention to long term farming and just destroyed a lot of thier land by overfarming and other bad practices.
their yield is half of the US’s by that chart
wheat production China 86,100,250 USA 63,589,820
cryhavoc, you have to look at yield per hec/acre not total yield
With only seven percent of the world’s cultivated land, China has to feed one-fifth of the world’s population.
Yield/Hectare CHina 3.91 US 2.97
the chinese might outproduce us on total quantity, but not yield per acre
but when you proportionalize the yiled/hectare vs the total production..
Saskatchewan = 40% of Canada’s arable land
their farming methods are more inefficient
Farming’s kinda big here.
cry, the url you gave me…shows the US at 8.92, china at 4.85
but as far as raw data goes…they do 3.91 vs. 2.97 who has a calculator handy?
Why? ;p
63,589,820 *3.91/2.97
cry, the url you gave me, look at it again….the top two rows, last column….tells the story
/run calc
yowz…yes it does…they do produce more then us per hectare…in raw numbers
bud` can do that kind of math in his head!
cry, sorry, i was looking at corn production
sask also = massive uranium, and lots of oil
Not to mention coal and potash
we are number #1
we are #1 in corn across the board
my son’s father in law, farms 16000 acres in north dakota. primarily wheat, some sunflowers, i’ve watched these guys farm, everything is GPS, and that china stat REALLY surprises me
not here
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they have a lot of epeople
biotech is becoming increasingly important to china.
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Europeans fear biotechnology for some reason. This is why I say America and asia economically will do much better in the coming years than europe. This one of many reasons
Some people don’t eat wheat, some avoid lentils, some soy or other legumes. But everyone eats corn.
farm subsidies, wonder where they go? allowed my son’s father in law to buy 2-600k condos on ft meyers beach, a condo in phoenix, 2 in san antonio….a beautiful boat for north dakota, a twin to it in florida for when they’re down there
And they are educated in the USA Chinese biotechnology sceintists
More euros than dollars are in worldwide circulation. George Washington surrenders http://www.ft.com/cms/s/18338034-95ec-11db-9976-0000779e2340.html
Boat to drive up to Nipawin, you mean
nipawin?
Bt cotton is one of four crops—along with late-ripening tomatoes, virus-resistant sweet peppers and colour-altered petunias—to have been approved for commercial cultivation in China. People in the UK wont eat these foods they fear them I dont know but its true. I dont know why I mean.
FT, What kind of adjustment do you see the Fed doing in 07?
Yeah. That’s usually where the ND folks go, though some of the southeast lakes are also popular.
genetically engineered food is perfectly fine to eat we have been doing it here for decades
pickle, the son’s in laws, have an “active” missle silo at the end of their driveway LOL
pretty inefficient…
Heh
Harsen, keeping interest rates about where they are and lowering them if the economy slows.. That would be my best guess.
if China had our farming infra..they sholud be ale to do a lot better
Yeah, it’s fun to know that even out here in the middle of nowhere there’s still a hundred russian ICBMs pointed our way
Pickle…Russia may still have silo ed missiled… the USA has gotten away from that
the irony is the slower the growth the more likelihood the fed will hold or cut interest rates. and also ironically right now the markets seem to prefer Lower rates than high gdp
we don’t know the GSO foods are perfectly safe we just know they don’t seem to hurt anyone over a 10 year period
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For example when the wholesale index came out which showed a slowing of Industrial I mean growth, the stock market rallied China has ruined much of its land.
Heh, there’s some troll on Hannity pretending to be Bin Laden
notice that figure does not equal Chinas actual quoted figure…
its 10% arable
48°37′4.69″N pickle, google earth this one, that’s at the end of their driveway, about 1/8th mile west
A survey released last month by China’s Ministry of Land and Resources revealed that the country has lost 8 million hectares, or 6.6 percent, of its arable land in the past decade, Beijing News reported.
