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read of that guy who was having a pre wedding bachalor party they shot like 11 times and will only testify if
he earned it
eewt, so what?
CH…bill gates got 1.1 million from his dad
less then 3 % of the very rich inherited their money
Gates got a leg up from his father
I wouldn’t say he earned it. More like, he swindled it.
i dig BG
Ant — you’ve been degrading females since you started posting — all because when the draft status was working - women weren’t there, or women weren’t voting out bad men
eewt, luck and effort = richness.
many like Steve Forbes had to earn his
i prefer warren buffet my boy
Ant — and all of that is degrading to females — so why haven’t you MALES voted out the bad people — or don’t you want to take responsibilities for that
picotero= lmfao that’s the most oversimplified summary of free-trade economics I’ve ever heard… you forgot to mention all the tax breaks, loopholes, lobbying tactics and other kinds of common super-elite richman’s ways out of paying up for taking so much.
Kerry married his
now..Paris Hilton is an example of a snotty spoiled bitch
3J- ayup
Anthraxis, all that has to do with non-free trade stuff
Anthraxis
she is NOT the average rich person
thats why we need a straight-tax system
NOBODY is worth 10-20million/year. What service does someone actually do that is worth that much money?
Anthraxis, and all of those legal, imagine that.
CryHavoc, yeah but he was a lucky person in many other aspects. He was at the right place at the right time, which is a lot more than money can buy.
That’s outrageous.
no more loopholes no more lawyers
P_O Gates took a lot of risks….
TheTailor= I WONDER why they are “legal…” The super wealth buy the law.
no more 30,000 page tax code
10-20 million a year, why not? They pay tax on the moiney and invest, creating jobs.
Ant — its ludicrouse amount - but when a genius designs something, creates a factory or a few to produce the design — ya probably is worth it…
like PJ orourke said eat the rich
eewt…exactly
What about the Kennedy’s? THey came from BOOTLEGGERs! Drug money.
Anthraxis if purchasing a pro-athlete costs $20m/yr and he generates $100m in revenue for a city is he worth 20m?
Nobody is up in arms about that.
Anthraxis, it’s called compounding. You put your earnings into something productive and you earn more. Most people never learn that, so they don’t earn much.
Ant — past history
it untaxes the poor..closes the social engineering aspect off…and funds SSI and Medicare
Anthraxis is turning green with envy.
How about the Queen of England? Earned it? How about the Kennedy clan? Earned it? President Bush? Senator Rockefeller. Earned it? There are many rich people who got that way because they were born to the right family. Most, even.
the problem is that the poor pay almost no tax
TT — ya
Kennedy Money is new money…trust me..they are NOT accepted wherever they go…
Well if you’ve built your vast fortune off breaking the law in the past… doesn’t that sort of negate your boastage of it in the present? Poison fruit argument.
Anthraxis, and the people who don’t earn much also don’t provide much. Maybe 40 hours of manual labor. That’s not worth much.
MrRod, yeah but so what?
Anthraxis…nope
Pickle= oh but throwing a ball through a HOOP is? lmao Catching a pass is?
dude…the basis of capital is labor
WHAT a valued service.
Anyone can do 40 hours of manual labor. Not everyone can coordinate 50 factories around the world and get supplies shipped where they’re most valuable, and on schedule.
if there was not Pro Basketball..we would have even more thugs on the street
I caught 10 passes today… pay me $40mill…. I BUILT a house today… pay me $15/hr hrmm
picotero..and delegate the tasks
There’s a false perception among many people that the rich got that way because of their own individual action or decisions. Fact is most rich people got that way because the were born into the right family.
picotero quite true - because there are numerous problems involved in all that…
anyone can co-ordinate 50 factories because some coder wrote a workforce management system that automates that shit
MrRod= exactly… inherited wealth and clout.
MrRod….less then 3% of the wealthy inherited their money
Depends on what you call wealthy.
Steve Forbes did..but his daddy forced him to work his way up the ladder too
Besides, I don’t think that 3% number is true.
i build systems that take subliterate southerners and force them to answer the phone with timed/canned responses
MrRod….there are very few Paris Hitons versus Bill Gates
eewt, the coder got paid according to the contract, too. And more than likely the coder didn’t write the specs. The software engineer got paid according to contract. The person who coordinates all that and invested his own money to pay the people, taking the risks… gets the profits.
MrR- usually founded by some form of “illegal” or highly suspect business practices, aka legalized (bought out/bribed officals) monopolies etc…
You think Steve Forbes came from a modest family?
MrRod…nope… but he had to Work his way up the ladder…..he got NO free ride
you can knock ole ROss Perot - but take a look at what he did growing up — he worked
Even if a person is born into wealth, they’re born into wealth that was already created by someone producing. Be grateful “dad” didn’t spend all his money earlier.
Especially outside the US, most wealthy people got that way because of who their parents are.
H Ros Perot is another example…
From what I see debated here is just silly. Is a person worth 2o million for passing a football ? To me no, but if others pay him 20 million thats there buisness.
nobody took a risk…it was some barely sentient upper manager who drooled some crap about “synergies and metadynamic core competency leveraging” on a post it note
Everyone seems to be caught up on the word “legal,” Even laws can be immoral, but yet legally justified… aka slavery? Jim Crow laws? etc.
MrRod…thats another story…
eewt, clearly you’ve never done such a thing, so…
the USA does not have a peerage/Gentry system for that very reasoin
and you did?
Would I pay a ceo 100 million ? Never. But if others do thats their business. I wouldnt own a stock from a ceo paid that much. unless it performed super well.
please
eewt, I’m no Bill Gates I’ll admit.
If you are looking for equality, die.
FreeTame - ayup
because only in death is equalit.
How about if the stadium he’s playing in being paid for by tax money? That’s a factor in the team’s ability to pay that 20 million dollars.
Bill Gates is paid a shitload of money I bet…
FT, that’s why those guys get that money, the stocks do thrive.
i went through so much marketroid crap and incompetent management its a wonder we ever sold our company
but look at how well Microsoft is doing
microsoft is dying slowly
Cry and he and his wife donate a lot too… too bad others don’t
otherwise do the best you can be happy in things other than just money and quit being envious of the super rich they aint worth envying.
eewt….hahah right Kaliuna…yep
MS is jurrasic
They get that money even if the stock sucks and they hurt the company.
not today
eewt, it’s no wonder you had to sell 
not in 10 years
MSFT stock is doing very well lately I dont know if its dying and they have a lot of money
Gates plows a lot of his money right back into the company
Though it didnt do well for a long time. it just went sideways.
so what was your startup
Cry - yes he does
That’s their business? lol… Their “business” is running mom & Pop stores off their own land by corrupting city zoning officials, getting unneeded and unfair tax breaks. Stealing and reverse engineering small business innovations, moving accounts to offshore to avoid paying taxes, cooking corp books etc….
Free…its a Linuxian wet dream… M$ is not dying
I hope MSFT drops a billion points when vista hits shelves
The wealthy are hardly the everyday- joe working hard and honestly.
If you sold msft in the last 3 months you lost money. yep
P_O that woul screw you too
you in VoiP…CRM…database design?
Some wealthy are hard workin honest, good people..
Nope
Some are peices of shit, Same with the poor.
CryHavoc, I know, but it’d be a fun ride.
most of the wealthy are hard working…
i sold my stuff then moved on
P_O no it would not
ive met plenty of poor people I wouldnt associate with.
CryHavoc, how so?
no skin off my back
It’d only hit me at work. I don’t use MS here.
I have met many moneyed people I would no associate with either
eewt, well it’s nice that you had the foresight to hand it over to competent management before a complete debacle.
just didnt become the next mark cuban or tony montana
And plenty of rich people including 2/3rds of hollywoods and 100% of the hollywood left
Behind every great fortune is a great crime…
Bullshit.
I would hang out with Barbara Streisand. She’s hot. Even after all these years.
Anthraxis..not always…
no…our CEO and such was a moron…we sold because the investors were tired of his gay ass golf trips and gross incompetence
MrRod actually she isnt and if you got close enought o her you would see it
The Public Library System was endowed by a Robber-Baron
Some friends of mine do buisness with her, they are far left too but they hate her.
eewt, and you clearly understand my point that it’s not easy to coordinate a company. Oh “we” as in “they”.
your near religious praise of anyone with a CEO title is a little misplaced
she is really mean to people left or right.
ewww
Gross.
people screw up even CEOs
eewt, yes they do
Babara will screech out Memories while MrRosd is doing her
All the time
Astors, Carneige, Vanderbuilts, Forbes, Kennedys etc… ALL were involved in either highly illegal practices, bribery, scandals, extortion, murders/thefts, or inhuman worker environments. yet they are praised and lauded.
I would turn guy before having anything to do with Streisand or Yoko.
No, it’s Streisand AND Yoko!
I mean gay hehe
Streisand was actually pretty when she was younger
so why the claim that they take “risks” they bail out with a platinum parachute
With a snozzle like that
At least I didn’t mention Janet Reno!
Anthraxis, oh c’mon, rich people are nice and never do crimes.
People only see what they have earned and not what they did to get there; That is the problem
risk to me means that if i piss off a group of people to whom i owe 43 million dollars…my ass is rather dead
Some of my folks best friends lost over 1million b/c of that Enron BS.
Look, lots of people do crime. I think there are degrees of crime.
eewt, I’m talking about entrepreneurs. That may or may not include the CEO.
What crime did the Forbes family do ?
eewt, and investors take risks when they choose a CEO And a board
Good, honest hard working people losing millions b/c of typcial corp book cooking
That’s also calculated risks
hmm
If they had $1 million to invest in ONE company they were either fools or very, very rich.
what about the employees??
eewt, employees take risks when they choose to work for a company. They may rise up or they may not.
Rockefellar bought some Senators but he also helped this country a lot, and Carnegie built more libraries than the government. so I wouldnt condone that today but in history even somtimes bad people brought this country and other countrys good results.
glib answer
MrRod= fools? Umm how do you fore see one of the greatest fininacial scandals? Write a book since you know before hand.
My cat is getting into the habit of walking on my keyboard so if I post something really dumb… it’s really the cat.
haha
eewt, overall employees are the safest, however. They get paid at the end of the week no matter what until the company goes under.
MrR - will look for paws of typos
I have my rabbit on my bed.
obviously you never worked in the Bay
night peeps
What I’m saying is that anyone who investes most of their money is ONE company is a fool.
try 6 weeks without a check
FreeTame= SO it’s OKAY to do all of those said misdeeds, so long as you “repay” them back to society? Last time I checked it was highly illegal to make a fortune off crack sales, then build a few schools with the money.
The last paycheck might not be there, but that’s nothing
Just because you work for a company and that company offers 401ks in their company - a SMART person - diversifies - never put all $$ in one basket or retirement plan
I fell asleep on the couch tonight, damnit so I am in bed early tonight. I need to get some decent sleep for a change.
but the guy in the Ferrari is telling you….one more push loyal bitches…one more push
MrRod= they didn’t lose it all, but losing a million or ANYTHING you’ve worked hard for hurts and is wrong.
eewt, the first paycheck I don’t get, buh bye. Anyone sticking around past that is a dope.
0 at the
all im saying is that…if you work for a company like that
FreeTame - okkkkk
set the thermite charges and make sure the timers are accurate
I could lose my entire investment in a single company and not be hurt. Keep diverse.
i dont work for free and i have root
eewt, well frankly I don’t go for limited liability. And limited liability is not a free market concept, either.
Anyway, I dont know anyone who thinks its terrific that a football player makes 20 million year, but if someone offered you it would you turn it down ? No.
I’m leaving at 9:52.
so you never signed with an LLC? DONT
You dont go for limited liability ? Your anti corporation ?
I’m anti limited liability
MrRod really ? Pico, thats corporation
im for corporate reform
Would you let the entire Oakland Raiders defense run after you on a field for that kind of money? You wouldn’t live to spend it!
Corporations are formed for the purpose of limited liability
among other things
Bah… this is pointless… people want to praise and pedestal these crooks b/c they have money and that’s all. Merit is of little value in today society.
there wouldnt be a corporation without it,. there would be no reason.
there are corporations all around the world just not under the same legal aegis as in the USA
without limited liability when montgomary wards went bankrupt the stockholders would spend the rest of their life paying every cent they made to the debt o fthe company.
Yes
yup
They would have been more prudent
Yep
Other comapanies and investors know that they are doing buisness with an entity which if it fails they lose.
because the stockholders rode it short and made a killing
thats the risk they voluntarily take.
everyone should have the risk
I think if you are involved in that type of crime, ALL of your assets should be seized.
I am a corporation precisely because I dont want one honest mistake to own me for ever.
I also think insider trading should be legal. It’s glorified gambling to invest when you don’t have insider information.
Fuck… I’ll go to PRISON RIGHT NOW for 5years if I know I’ve got 3million offshore waiting for me.
no sort of…”employees get dead”…stockholders get inside infor and short their way to profit
I’ll do it for 4.8 mil
Would you pick up the soap when someone drops it?
diversification - it works…
So the trade off would be, you get all the information you need to make a good choice, but you are financially responsible for the investments you make and the debt burden you assume by doing so.
If my buisness fails with all the good i do for society with it, and I accidently run over a kid and they award him 100 million dollars maybe my insurance companhy will pay a couple million but I wont work the rest of my life paying the other 98 million
throw in another million and I’ll drop teh soap myself
If I had to for 3million… why not… I’ve got razor blades for a sphincter bIf I had to for 3million… why not… I’ve got razor blades for a sphincter/b
There is a reason we have corporations aka limited liability aka ltd aka LLC
You wouldn’t have to kill yourself!
lmfao… uh oh…
lol
in the UK they are called LTd limited
FreeTame yes tort reform is also needed
adam smith had a big bone to pick with the corporation
So the definition of a corporation is a limited liability buisness entity
I want my new laptop
Like I said… MANY people would pack up and head off to prison right now for 3million… shit many go to prison and have $3 waiting for them… there’s NO incentive to NOT cook books and steal.
2. I’m out of here. Time for
Howdy, yall!
I wouldnt go to prison for 3 milllion
3 you’re
Oh.
2
id do it for like a week
Nothing. I made that up.
damn
my butt could only handle so much pummelin
might as well make it 10
FreeTame, call it whatever. People should certainly pool their resources into an organization or entity… But they should not be able to take on debt without a responsibility for it.
weapons of ass destruction
Your going to risk getting it in a way you dont want it in prison from some guy with half his teeth for 3 million ? Not me.
I would… 5 years/3million = 600K/year… FUCK YEAH. Hell I could be shot or robbed tomorrow, WHO KNOWS?
FT yeah but, 5 mil now you’re talkin
Pico, but you can pool money without a corporation, but the reason corporations exist is to limit liability heh
how about 20 mil
Limited liability is one aspect
thing is, if I had the 5 mil I could buy my way out of prison for 1 mil
And I disagree with it
so why even go
and noone would invest in a company they might be liable for the actions of the workers of, or the ceo, or even an accident by the corporation.
Sure they would
No they wouldnt
They wouldn’t invest foolishly
nooone with a brain
Like they do today
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WTF… where do people get these ideals about corporations… they are there to provide a SERVICE! And if said service turns out to be harmful, they are 100% liable if the consumer is in non-fault.
just tell the warden on day 1 “if my spincte stays intact you get 1 million cash” sphincter
Listen Dow chemical had a plant in India which blew up and killed 1000s and exposed them to 100s of millions of liability..
LLC is just a corp’s version of EULA.
if any entity said “Hey…im not responsible for anything:…what reasonable person would consider that viable in the long term
Shit happens.
FreeTame, someone’s got to be responsible
maybe the nazis should have been an LLC
LLC is the same as Corporation except its a newer fad
Jews…all dead sorry we’re an LLC
it started out more common as a designation for smaller corporations owned by a large corporation.
LLC is a cross between a corporation and a partnership
call my lawyer
but now people are using that designation in place of chapter S corp
eewt, remember that guy who shot the cop and then claimed that he was a corporation?
they mean about the same thing.
nice
eewt, want to guess where he is now?
getting buttlove in club fed
picking up soap?
eewt, right in one.
cmon
I decided whether to go chapter S or LLC, at the time which was years ago my dad said go Chap S because there is more case law
specious stuff like that is gay
But there isnt really a dimes worth of difference. LLC is NOT a partnership in anyway.
corporations are not people
Bah most corps suck hardcore and cannot be trusted with their own name.
Income is direct through LLC, as in a partnership
why that ruling on that railroad case went that way who knows
the problem with corps is they legally HAVE to profit even if its illegal
corp= systematic way to produce wealth from a product sold to a consumer base.
heh
Corporal means body, Coporation is a body which is created by the state for the purpose of conducting buisness or charity etc.
if a corporation is faced with a choice to make a profit or be legal… they more or less have to choose to be illegal if the ramifications dont outweigh the profits
a corporation is an amoral structure concerned only with the most basic needs…self aggrandizement and growth
the 14th amendment fucked everything up by making corporation legal entities
A corporation isnt inherentely immoral or moral. it just is
yes its amoral lacking morals like a sociopath
Corps are SUPPOSED to be about providing a SERVICE, not soley making profit for shareholders/members… things have changed.
its like people are not inherently moral or immoral, the choices they make determine that.
a corporation is just as legal an entity as a person.. thats kinda scary
so when me make the company a “Person”
eewt, now that’s just rhetoric. The same can be true for people and there’s nothing wrong with it. The only difference is that people are responsible for the consequences of their actions.
does it have a soul
Anthraxis, actually they’re supposed to be about making a profit.
can a corporation be saved by jesus
a corporation is a juridical “person”
according to the interpretations of the 14th amendment there is no difference between you and a corporation
can a corporation be drafted
Corporations are responsible for their actions.
Pickle= Christ… HOW do you make money w/providing a service/good? Geesh. er picotero
can a corporation be subjected to the death penalty
Anthraxis, I ask you that
if you will take note most corporations which have been around along time are responsible or they wouldnt be around.
perople can so why not corporation s
eewt, chapter 11
irresponsible corporations who dont follow thier obligations dont exist tey cease to exist
thats not a death penalty
That’s the point of forming a corporation… to provide a SERVICE, which nets a profit so you can continue providing said SERVICE… Not to just make profit and provide as little as service as possible… no wait that IS today’s corporate model. Do little to nothing, milk consumers for all they have.
corporations can be liquidated - a process whereby they cease to exist
Anthraxis, you provide a product/service with the purpose of making a profit. So they’re “about” making a profit. Not the other way around. But if someone takes on debt, they should be responsible for it. That’s all I ask.
im talking about a little time in an oven or chamber somewhere a corporation is a person…right so what does a person consist of…cells…tissues… a company is no different
You sell yout labor to a company to make a profit the difference is people who make more profit usually also assume more risk, and often feed a lot more families
the CXO’s are the brain
we are all about making money..
the peasants are like the …oh liver cells
not really… the only reason corporations became “entities” was to protect the jackasses running them
Everyone is out to make what you could call profits loosely
so what does really constitute the death of a person
giving them leave to run the corporations poorly but essentially be protected from bad stuff happening to themselves
brain death
so lets kill the brains of corporation
why is it spoken of as if it was evil or something.
they arent neccesarily.. some of the protections a corporations affords are bs to me though free
get the guys with the CXO titles togehter
Hey pilgrim!
how by the 9 billion names of god does ANYONE use this steaming disease ridden worm encrusted walrus trud called Windows?
line em up ask yourself asshopper
like.. people who incorporate… then take all the money as profit and pay themselves.. then file bankruptcy but dont claim all the stuff they bought from their “salary”
fonebone, then dont buy from a corporation
for the most part the larger corporations are above that
I am going to have to take time off tomorrow to drive to my Father’s to fix his brand new box for like the 12th time since he bought it
i think we need to go back to the wild west
we all have the freedom to associate who we choose to or to buy from who we choose to buy from.
because the people at the top are controlled by the stockholders
duels
FreeTame, you take on risk with your investment, and you stand to lose that investment (along with your time) where an employee only risks their time and the chance of profit (though smaller) is pretty much risk free. However, when it comes to debt you are assuming even more risk. But when you’re shielded from liability for that debt then the risk ratio is skewed.
A good lawful corporation runs on torture and fear like jails
but i had a boss who ran his business into the ground becase he didnt care… filed for bankruptcy.. kept all the great stuff he bought with the money from the corporation but everyone lost their jobs
Capitalism is the most democratic institution there is, a person votes with every dollar he spends.
Redmond is evil, stupid, petty and Zune is their best product ever
a real jackass
Fone, most are like that
and i dont believe he should have had those kinds of protections
welcome to the world
fonebone, he though is not they typical coporation.
man…thats glib
im not saying they should lose everything
people don’t care..bottom line
a lot of people do it though free
No they dont.. its a small percentage if you look at it on the basis of percentage
maybe based on monetary percentages but i think there are a lot of people that take advantage of corporate law
Corporations go bankrupt all the time
because they are protected behind the corporation
based on numerical percentages. you know you dont get limited liability if you break the lae law
only cops and Govt can break the law
The officers of the corporation can be held liable
howdy howdy
You don’t have to break the law to take your dividends and your salary while the company’s amassing debt.
like people that used that 50 grand small business tax break to buy hummers…
if their corporations went bankrupt they should have had to pay that money back
or give up their hummers
heh
haha
It’s great to watch Americans get tortured…http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8451.htm at least they don’t torture and kill terrorists
Well, a lot of times certain liabilities of the corporation are guranteed by the officers. so its not even alwasy limited
The more the better
WotGorilla…we are more direct… we MOAB then
Noone would take the risks buisness takes and the economy would be 3rd world without corporate protections.
And as for the company getting sued for millions because someone spilled their coffee… That’s garbage that needs to be fixed as well.
yes….kill kill kill
cops can shoot an 80 yr old and get away with it
heh i dont know that you can limit liability suits pic
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8451.htm — some great torture of Americans in US prisons
cops can do anything and get away with it
cause corporations would take advantage of that as well
actually the women who sued deserved to win if you knew the details.
FreeTame, I don’t agree with the appeal to fear that there would be dire consequences though
3rd degree burns..
it had less to do with her personal injuries and more that that store had been warned repeatedly but ignored the warnings
corporations have a responsibility as well as limited liability
read of that guy who was having a pre wedding bachalor party they shot like 11 times and will only testify if promised immunity. FOR FLAMING MURDER?
and the key to tort reform is moderation not elimination.
Well, if you want to kill people…be a cop
make tort more reasonable.
yeah then you get to shoot the bachelors 50 times
limit punitive damages Dont stop real damages.
If you want to kill people, join the army.
FreeTame, she could have had her hospital bill paid, and maybe a coupon for a free cheeseburger. And a few bucks for her time.
but it’s better to be a US prison or jail gaird so you can beat them to a bloody pulp, burn them with chemicals and torture the hell out of them till they die….and get off scott free…not even the army has that power
the problem with that thouugh pico
When a woman is 80 years old you have a responsibility to look out for her welfare when you serve her coffee hot enough to cause 3rd degree burns.
does the mcdonalds really suffer?
fonebone, who cares?
or you have a chemical spill in India amd 6000 die
You can also look the other way when an inmate gets raped, Wot.
or do they just not add additional training on the topic because it will cost more than just paying medical bills it does matter pico
fonebone, you don’t get $700k for spilling coffee on yourself. Not in a realistic world, anyway.
if a corporation is injuring people.. but its cheaper to injure them and pay penalties they will keep injuring
what I see here since I arrrived on the channel tonight is extremism, from one form to the other..
they dont care.. profit is the bottom line
the key is moderation. and rationality and reasonableness.
and its not a lack of sympathy on the individuals parts a corporation inherintly has no concious
freet obviously isn’t familiar with politics
it doesnt care because its just an abstract idea
fonebone, profits is the bottom line because the definition of bottom line IS Profit..
i agree.. so you have to affect profit to affect change free
nonsense.
oh cmon look at that case in regards to bp
FreeTame, when a company builds a plant in india, they need to take into account the disaster risks and be insured for it.
bp didnt give a shit that they were risking their oil workers lives and took a risk on nothing happening in texas city
people would not take risks without corporate protections and we wouldnt have a tenth of our inventions and we would live 3rd world without them
and a bunch of people died now to keep that from happening again you have to affect bp s profits so that bp knows if they do it again they could possibly lose their business
There are more laws that you can shake a stick at protecting workers.
to bad all moderation means in this day and age is more socialism, in the form of bigger, badder GOV. WAndering around in the left hand lane is not moderation. its totalitarianism.
and bp broke a bunch of em free and now they are havin to pay
FreeTame, people take risks as independent contractors and partnerships all the time without limited liability.
when corporations risk personal safety to its own workers or to consumers they deserve what they get
Darth, pay attention jesus, moderation means that you dont outlaw corporations as these guys were talking about, do you want to outlaw corporations ? Thats extremism thats socialism
And it’s not “free market” for the government to grant investors the ability to take out loans that they don’t have to repay.
moderation is to understand why corporations exist and why they benefit society
i dont want to outlaw them i just want them to realize that if they are knowledgably doing something that endagers lives they are gonna get hurt
FreeTame I am not addressing that. i was simply pointing out the fact todays so called moderates are not in the middle of anything but the left hand lane.
Same with responsibility which is the other side of corporate life.. so they cant murder people thats the opposite extreme.
do you think thats unreasonable free? that corporations should fear endangering lives?
I am well aware extremism is bad in every form, Except, of course, more leftist socialist progroms.
or should it just be something that their actuaries can write in as risk and see how it balances out?
left wing nonsense is shelled out in every form.
None of which is what we have, we have a good system which is fair and works most the time, these guys want perfection in life and humans not only cant have perfection they dont deserve it.
ill agree with that.. most of the time it works…
Most of the anti corporation crap is greed and envy. or ignorance.
i think the gov should be a little more proactive with companies like bp
DarthBurg, one day you’ll go a whole day without saying “leftist” more than 20 times, and I’ll be very proud.
then you got the gall to claim “Moderation” it makes some of oppressed for our political views kinda pissed off.
if the gov walks into a refinery and finds hundreds of safety violations they should shut it down immediatly
Guess who is the first to complain in a situation like that
if a mcdonalds is told repeatedly to fix a temp on a coffee machine.. and they dont do it.. shut em down then the employees and the employer will realize that its not a joke and that the risk is not worth the reward
unfortunately people are not educated today or something. when they say things like we shouldnt have corporations, it proves they have never been taught why corporations exist and what are hte plus and minus’s
im not anti corporation at all.. but i am pro corporate responsibility
yeah, gotta have corps. some law n order would be nice to.
Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice and moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue. To paraphrase Barry Goldwater.
and a lot of this tort reform stuff sounds like corporations campaining for lessening of their responsibilities
Thats why I said moderation fonebone, I said responsibility along with limited liability.
I’m kind of anti-business
limited liability is in opposition to responsibility
thats called the not accepting one extreme or the other of corporate malfeance or denial of any allowance for risk taking in society for the benefit of all.
i mean… i dont want it to get to where corporation A is thinking about this action.. they realize this action could conceivably kill maybe 30 people but there is tort reform in place that limits their liability to 200k a piece
pico, Limited liability = corporationin buisness legal terms they mean the same thing.
they think they can make a billion off this action what are they gonna do? thats what scares me about tort reform
FreeTame, and liable = responsible. limited liability = limited responsibility
fonebone, there have been cases where companies have calculated their losses if the govt were to get to them and figured they’d make a profit either way.
i dont want corporations weighing personal safety and lives against profit
i know po… its sick
and so you dont want to have msft, or xerox or sun or any corporations so then we wouldnt have computers or free unix or linux without corporations along with computer science labs at universities discovering unix.
I think the case you’re talking about is about the exploding gas tanks in cars
