10.23.07

Tell me what the DHS has _really_ accomplished since its creation other then more government expense at the cost

Posted in Politics at 4:03 pm by Michael Johnson

unhand me you damn dirty ape

lol

morning

ok so shuttle still set to launch tomorrow report on iraq comes out today hillary and edwards are going to run for president and gates thinks we’re losing in iraq welcome to today

lol screw hillary

no thank you after all, she is a married woman

i want a female as president but not that bad

perhaps we could nominate a eunuch have all of the pluses of a woman president, without any of the minuses fiji has apparently been overthrown by right wing leftists russia says quit saying we poisoned that guy, or we will kill you apparently huge budget deficits, tax cuts, a huge new entitlement program and an unpopular war haven’t left us unable to bite of big new projects… the president has announced a $100 billion plan to build a base on the moon someone told him, i believe, that there was brush there that needed clearing

lol

ok so t0tgiglz tell me a story

not story time sorry

hi t0tgiglz

im scanning slides so im boring chat right now hi

ah busy still with the christmas pressies?

yeah well had to fight best buy for a new computer so now were on #3

why what happened to the other one?

im scanning old familu slides

bleah

oh in both computers the hard drives went

that is not a good story

weve been through two computers in two weeks from them so ed and i tore them up so bad so they gave us the upgraded model which was 600 more for only 200 more LOL sold it to us below cost bso ed and i tore them up so bad so they gave us the upgraded model which was 600 more for only 200 more LOL sold it to us below cost /b

The space agency likely won’t attempt to launch past Dec. 17 since flight controllers want Discovery on the ground before the new year. Shuttle computers aren’t designed to make the change from the 365th day of the old year to the first day of the new year while in flight. A potential solution to the problem hasn’t been thoroughly tested. hahahahahaha the space shuttle may crash if it’s in the air on jan 1? hahahahaahahahahaha who designed this thing microsoft?

shrug why do they put them up towards the end of the yr anyway how stupid its always more drama i swear

why would the end of the year be more drama

debris my dad was a photographer in the navy

you know this year thing happens all the time like yearly

so we have tons of slides my scanner only holds 2 at a time so tedius

yes that does sound tedious how ever will you cope hehe

it takes forever he has like 600 slides and i can only scan 2 at a time

good morning trapezoid how unparallel are your sides this morning

morning trap

WASHINGTON, Dec. 5 — The United States has offered a detailed package of economic and energy assistance in exchange for North Korea’s giving up nuclear weapons and technology, American officials said Tuesday. hmmm

yes let us offer them offerings

i recall people here making fun of clinto for doing that

and lay before them plates of fruits and cheeses

i guess now we can make fun of bush

and frankensense and mirrh

and the pussy conservatives

and perhaps they will deem our offerings worthy

well there’s no other way to deal with them as we found before so this is it

there is a solution

yup send them the head of bush on a plate

we just have to evacuate all of the south koreans well “have to” is maybe not the right wording but it would be the kind thing to do

why not move all americans to brazil? then the north koreans won’t be able to reach us with their missiles

because nk is nowhere near us

well then why bnother doing anything? isn’t north korea near canada?

define near

same planet

then yes what we need to do is tell kim jong il you have 5 minutes to agree to verifiably disarm

right

and after that, you and your entire government are toast 5 4 3 etc

otherwise we will shoot all out troops in korea and then let him attack seoul i like that idea maybe we can attack iraq, too wait didn’t we do that?

yes what we could do is we could say they have WMDs

how did that work out?

it worked out great saddam is in prison and the iraqis are free

welcomed with open arms by iraqis, i heard yeah, they love us there

they don’t have to love us

my family are going to baghdad for christmas

we are like parents with bad kids we have to show them tough love and sometimes the kids will hate us for a while

well maybe you not me

but it is for the best

sure it is be the policeman of the world

somebody has to be

why?

better us than someone else

you like wearing the uniform? rent one

it suits us

doesn’t suit me at all

plus, we have all these military guys and they get bored easily

send them to brazil lots of girls there

all they do is sit around playing nintendo

they will keep busy

i think when we finish our moon base we should declare the moon the 51st state all your moon are belong to us

should have let the nazis win

why

they were better suited for this policing buisiness german efficiency

i do not like your attitude why do you hate america

i don’t

yes you do you want to send americans to brazil and let the nazis win

i just hate people who feel america must be the world’s policemen

you hate america

i just hate you i like america just fine i even visited it once saw disney world cornfields in iowa

do not try to trick me with your liberal mind tricks

the pipelines in alaska

i know what i believe

lovely place nothard to trick the weak-minded so gates wants to withdraw troops to safe bases bush wants to offer the north koreans gifts and government is larger than ever

we need to declare iraq to be a giant military base and throw all the insurgents in the brig

apparently the republican administration is really sticking to form insurgents? i thought you said we won? what insurgents? damn

yes there are these guys the liberal media keep calling insurgents

you are so inconsistant

it is all part of some kind of trickery

you listen to liberal media?

yes i like to know what those weasels are up to

well then you don’t know the real truth

of course i also listen to those who tell the truth

youmust listen to the white house spin thatis where the truth is to be found no insurgents in iraq

tony snow is the mouthpiece of god

we have won and iraq is petitioning to become an american territory like puetro rico puerto rico

i think they could be a lesser state

apparently the only US soldiers who die in iraq are just caught in bad traffic accidents

like say alamaba thats not true sometimes they shoot themselves accidentally while cleaning their weapons

too bad the folks in the defense department don’t clean more guns personally

you do hate america it is obvious

i just hate stupid people no matter what their nationality

you hate america

if the shoe fits….. WASHINGTON, Dec. 5 — The United States has offered a detailed package of economic and energy assistance in exchange for North Korea’s giving up nuclear weapons and technology, American officials said Tuesday. just in case some people didn’t see this hope an op will make it the #topic

man i wish people would verify problems before reporting them

no it is up to IT to verify whether problems are real users just report

its not like i’m gonna pick up their slack, especially when they send a huge list of employees that have a problem and after reviewing the first 3 bullshit its a management issue not an IT issue

no it is your job do it

unless there is a problem

and quit bitching or you are fired

haha yah yah

North Korea needs a ASSOHOL Removal Cream

actually it doesn’t work that way here people need to learn some searching skills some ctrl+f action

blah more ASSOHOL

fucking shit fuck north korea they should get nothing we keep bailing them out or trying to

i mention it cause of all the crap i read here in the past years about CLINTON appeasing the north koreans so i feel that news about BUSH appeasing the north koreans deserves equal time

let them pursue their nuclear program, let them run themselves into the ground trying to get into the superpower game

hell, i don’t want bush losing credit

hehe, so Hillary wants to drop Clinton from her name

we are trying to get North Korea to do something that goes out of the cycle !

bomb the shit out of iraq when they dont have shit except a loudmouth wannabe hitler type but let some lunatic actually have nuclear weapons

yes but north korea didn’t try to kill the decider’s papa surely the difference is not lost on you dehuman

Bombing North Korea would make the country poorer even if we bomb the Nuclear Reactor !

what ever happenned to good old fashioned sabatage dont we have any secret agents anymore i wanna see a ‘accidental’ meltdown surely that will tie them up for a few decades, dealing with literally the fallout of a nuclear accident

I love this Star Trek TOS episode With Captian Pike on it

with Spock taking over the Enterprise? he wanted to take Pike to a planet of debauchery

something like that

Earth?

it was the logical thing to do, considering his condition

haha Kirk/Spock 2008

no, a planet which was prohibited to approach by the Federation, because it was addictive

all I can say is …… N E R D S !

indeed

Kick and Spock’s Homosexual Encounter Damn it Jim, I dont have any K-Y Jelly!

stop repeating it’s rude

especially bad newsw

sorry i just want new people to see what’s up

we’re going to give NK money if they comply? yeah right. they’ll take the money and do what they want. then we’ll do nothing.

brb

…Hardliners turn on Ahmadinejad for watching women dancers…. trapezoid well I hope we veto that NO way should we give NK money

who would veto it? it is a bush proposal congress doesn’t have to vote on it

it is I am pretty sure it not bush proposal but what ever

The combination of incentives and demands was the focal point of three-way meetings on Nov. 28 and 29 involving Assistant Secretary of State Christopher R. Hill; North Korea’s vice foreign minister, Kim Kye-gwan; and Chinese officials at the Diaoyutai Stat

The United States has offered a detailed package of economic and energy assistance

Diaoyutai State Guesthouse in Beijing.

not bush Assistant Secretary of State Christopher R. Hill Assistant Secretary of State Christopher R. Hill != BUSH

The incentives package also includes a pledge by the United States to work with North Korea toward finding a way to end the financial restrictions placed last year on a Macao bank, Banco Delta Asia, that was a main hub of the North’s international financia international financial transactions.

WHAT EVER

he works for bush

I don’t belive it

well, too bad

so it not bush proposal it some secetry who works for bush

see, bush is so busy he can’t deal with everything

you know how many people work for bush

so he has these departments state defence treasury

you know how many people work for bush

you know and the assistant to Condi rice made this deal

that my point is not like bush went on tv, and said I support X

with the approval of condi rice and HER boss, george w bush

well I think this is half the story

see, nobody makes deals from the administration without the big boss’s OK

I am pretty sure the deal has something else in it

Is every appointed government employee during the Bush administration a Republican hack?

it’s like some employee od your father making a deal without checking with your father he would get fired

trapezoid yes he would

so, he wouldn’t do it

well I didn’t hear directly from bush saying this trapezoid well he could

and condi’s asst wouldn’t do a deal without HIS boss’s knowledge i doubt yuou will hear from bush about this he will be embarrassed that he authorized it

well I would to and if he did I 100% dissaprove of it

yeah

IF a big IF I am not sure bush apporved of it

and probably the guys who invaded iraq did it without getting bush’s approval too

not sure if it even apporved trapezoid bush said he apporved of iraq

ty cb

trapezoid your trying to make starws to blame bush straws

so you want bush to be like jimmy carter, and micro-manage every single decision?

I don’t want bush to support this one NO

he supprts it

he can do what ever he wants

deal with it

how do I know he supports it and what does he support directly shower bbl

how do you know clinton supported the deal with north korea in the 90s?

Because Madeline Albright came back successful from her trip to Pyongyang

albright is not clinton

dude

maybe she did it on her own hey

albright was sent there BY clinton

i am just using the logic that gop used

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/e/e6/300px-Great_Leader_Comrade_Kim_Jong_Il_(122).jpg you remember that famous picture

apparently he feels that the asst sec of state acted on his own shall i post the article?

I dont think theyre celebrating a failure in diplomatic relations

that’s the right policy

haha

Why isnt the UN all up in there forcing sanctions on North Korea?

we can sit and act hostile and provoke them, bargon with them or invade them, but acting hostile or doing nothing won’t get you any where

oh thats right nvrmind

Schlotzsk, the UN has it on its agenda …. from 2103

this mission control analyst in the Phillipines has this animated buddy icon of a cop car thats funny shit

it is the only thing the US can do

In North Korea if you or any member of your family even thinks about there being any sort of God, be it Christian, Buddhist, Shintu, etc., they take you and three whole generations of your family and stick you in gulag style prison camps doing hard labor until you all die, thus rooting out any “dissent” and who is doing what about that exactly? nobody, thats right

well damn

trapezoid, invasion is an easier option that it would be with say iran

all god fearing americans hould volunteer for the military to invade north korea and bring them the benefits of christianity!

har har

Schlotzsk, well aside from war what can you do, and…. it’s probably better to be in a gulag than go through a war

not really….. 10 million dead in seoul?

You tell that to the thousands dying there every year tell them war is worse

i really don’t care i worry more about the usa let other nations take care of themselves

Schlotzsk, 10 million vs thousands? that’s easy to say

You think the US is the worst world threat?

no, do you?

Shall we go down the list of examples from other countries where its much much worse?

but it could be, if people keep making these crazy suggestions

What is anyone doing about Darfur not a damn thing North Korea? Nothing Congo massacres? nothing

and the us should interfere because? why not concentrate of repairing new orleans?

But OOH NO! THE USA INVADED ANOTHER COUNTRY, LETS ALL FREAK OUT!

hmmm all caps i guess you’re excited

trapezoid, the thing is that going to war with north korea may kill a lot of people, but going to war with iran will impact the global oil market quite negatively hurting US economy, hence the US can afford to go to war with NK far more easily

take a cold shower

its the morning coffee

heh not really

Crude oil prices will not be affected that much for Americans

trapezoid?

japan, 2nd largest economy and an ally of the usa, would probably be hurt by a war with nk

now Euros on the other hand theyll be screwed

seoul would be destroyed

Schlotzsk, why do you say that?

what is the upside?

Because oil futures arent traded in dollars anymore except on NYMEX

ummm oil futures are traded in dollars in london

oil as a commodity yes not futures, no

yes actually

can you name the three world markets oil futures are traded on?

go to bloomberg.com read the brent futures column well wild guess new york london

singapore

the exact market names

iran is an important part of the global oil market, war with them will result in supply and demand pushing the price of oil up in all countries

Simex Nynex

and? cmon, you can do it

and whatever the brits call their commodities exchange

ie, china will get less oil from iran, try and import from saudai arab, supply and demand pushes up price for US imports etc

Any opec nation is an important part of the world oil market are they all exempt too?

oil is fungible

yes, the only reason iraq was invaded was because there were already sanctions in place that were limited oil exports and the oil industry development in that country

so it is subject to the laws of supply and demand

Really, so no invading Nigeria to stop their civil war, itll destroy the world oil market?!?

nigeria is some what less important than iran

right

in the market

opec is no longer important it is a factor

Nigeria is #4 in opec output per day

but not imortant

theyre very important

russia

russia isnt opec though

not part of opec

theyre independent

canada not part of opec

saudi arabia and iran are the largest oil produces in OPEC

Look, I could care less if modern society has to pause for a few years while we save millions of peoples lives, I can live with that

you’ll likely end up killing more than you’ll save if war is your means of saving those lives

So just sweep it under the rug?

look at iraq well what else can be done

well apparently most of the recent wars in other nations to “stop the civil wars and killing” have not been successful some have

The reason Iraq isnt working doesnt have to do with saving or not saving lives. It is entirely religious

but not any of the ones the US has participated in

yes they have deseter storm was good world war 2 world war 1

the US has a great track record of having good results from wars

Schlotzsk, it’s not entirely religious, the middle east learned terrorism as a means of fighting colonialism remember and that’s part of it, mistrust of westerners

it the media who is making iraq bad with their reporting

wyeah

thus iraq to them is bad, thus they report bad

You remove sectarian violence from the equation, and Iraq is a much much more peaceful place

but what about the postive out of iraq

if not for the media, baghdad would be a tourist haven

positive news helps Bush

that a straw

\thus its not printed

Schlotzsk oh hmm that make sense

doesn’t rupert murdoch love bush?

defeat bush defeat republican, print just negative news, and one postive

why doesn’t HE print it?

fox is the one fox is the only one reporting postive storys

gop, you’d like to have the media only report the positive news apparently, because they do report it, elections for example, I don’t see much to back up a claim of bias

Theres a template. If it hurts bush, run the story for weeks on end, it if helps bush, bury it

and fox says the war is won, and baghdad is a cool place to visit? i admit i haven’t watched fox

fox prints both negative and postive

so maybe i missed that gop would have LOVED pravda

other station one posstive 99 negative

always supported the administration

did I say fox always supported I said they fair

it’s a war, with daily violence, why would the positive outnumber the negative or even equal it?

they post both

Like Valerie Plame scandal for example, even AFTER it was proven incorrect that Bush did it to punish Joe WIlson, the story ran for another month before no one finally cared

Mornx like all the media focous is on negative when their lot of postive

No one wants good news good news stops strife strife sells on both sides of the political media aisle

gop, good news is long term aspects of the war, the day to day news mostly consistant of a lit of deaths which is negative list

No one would buy the New York Times if every day the front page had articles on Iraq reconstruction successes well

does anyone here know why rumsfeld was fired, or retired, after he won the iraq war?

not enough to make a profit heh

surely a grateful president would have kept him on

do you know

nope

He won the war, he lost the following occupation and reconstruction

i keep hoping someone here will tellme

building an electricity line is not news that’s as significant as say 5 people killed by a car bomb you know, it’s not a matter of bias in reporting, it’s about what news is most sigificant

it bias Mornx if it where clinton they report more postive

so why did this new dec of defense say we did not win in iraq?

that’s utter nonsense

do you know trapezoid

say one bad thing about iraq and you call it bias

yeah i know i want to see if YOU Know

not one many Mornx ….

since you keep whining

Just as after we won the war in Germany, the Marhsall Plan took 6 more years until 1951 to get Germany rebuilt and back in order enough to let it take over itself again

do you know, then why….

there was no incipient civil war, or insurrection, in germany after wwII

oh there was insurrection

not to anywhere near the extent there is in iraq

so iraq bad you good

lots of former Nazi soldiers taking potshots at convoys, etc

not to anywhere near the extent there is in iraq

But this is the best example of how a war and the following occupation and reconstruction are two totally different animals you see that right?

in general yes

youre trying large brushstrokes to merge all of those together

but in this case no

and theyre totally seperate things

gop, plenty of good things get reported, the saddam trial, comments of the iraqi prime minister, the news never reports on more dull things like minor construction projects anyway

as the iraqi insurgents are still fighting vigorously, with funding and weapons continuing to be supplied they are not the remnants of a defeated army

just because occupation in one country after a war is dramatically different in the outcome of the occupation of another country, you cant say that war is still occouring like youre trying to do When insurgants roll in with tanks and planes and uniforms under a soveriegn flag to take us on, I’ll agree with you

they are disaffected baathist party members, not to mention the private armies of local warlords THAT was not the case in occupied nazi germany

And what about all the folks being sent in from iran?

Schlotzsk, insurgants don’t need those to win a war, look at the end of colonialism

right battle of algiers

yes exactly

youre trying to combine the end of major war operations and the resulting occupation as one big war still, and its not

just labels fact is that iraq is not yet secured

Mislabelling something as a “war” is a huge mistake

and the insurgents do have a chance of victory whatever you call the conflict

wait, so war is won only when a country is secured?

i’m saying it doesn’t matter what you call it, it’s not over yet though

We won the war in 91, yet we didnt secure Iraq We didnt even roll into baghdad and it was considered a win

winning a war is achieving your objective in 91 our objective was to free juwait kuwait which we did in wwII our objective was the unconditional surrender of germany and japan which we achieved

trapezoid, it doesn’t matter what you call it, currently this is an occupation though

in iraq, what is our objective? not just the toppling of saddam hussein we were concerned about WNDs they turned out not to exist

trapezoid, speaking miltariaily the first objective was the destruction of the iraq army, that was achieved

but now that we are in iraq, there is no civil authority to keep order

so what’s this about HWBush breaking down w/ an outpouring of emotion when talking about Jeb maybe the realization that the wrong son ran for President finally hit him

We went 1/2 way. We did well going into Iraq, but Bush has shown that he didn’t think much past going in, getting rid of Saddam, and calling it a victory Bush (and others) have shown that they only 1/2 thought things through When it came to winning the peace, training Iraqi’s and establishing a government without getting involved in sectarian violence, he has shown to of dropped the ball

1) bremer’s dismantling of the iraqi army was a mistake

I believe Bush is stuck, and he has no clue what he can really do about it. He can’t pull out, he can’t send in more troops, he refuses to call it a civil war or admit to sectarian violence

with no army, nobody could keep order, and the unemployed soldiers started working free-lance

The only thing Bush has offered since is; “Yea, I’m working on it” type attitude True

i don’t blame bush for the entire mess, except for the fact that it was his watch he made the decision to invade

Don’t get me wrong, we did a great job for the first half of the goal. But Bush is seeming like he didn’t think anything else through

but his people made errors which made it worse State Department officials have argued that while the argument has gone on in Washington, the North has produced fuel for six or more weapons. They say the only successful strategy will be one that results in the beginning of dismantlement.

Who knows. I guess we’ll see over the next couple of years what he does Though I really don’t expect it to be much I think Bush honestly believes if he just leaves it as is it’ll be fine until he’s out of office, then it becomes someone elses problem I really don’t expect much to change until about the end of 07

bush worries about his legacy he doesn’t want to be seen as an LBJ

A sign of an immature mind is one that thinks he can know somehow….what others believe

And still it won’t change, at the end of 07 you’ll just hear more “talk: “election talk” Big words to make it seem like he’s been doing something to preserve his legacy and not make republcans look _completely_ foolish

presidents have usually been concerned about their legacy in their last couple of years in office….. i am not trying to read bush’s mind, just assuming that he, like most other presidents, looks towards the future

Democrats aren’t any better, they don’t have a plan either. They’re only plan is to sit around and watch and hope that Iraq turns to complete shit to confirm them a victory in 08

of course, bush COULD be thinking about how as commissioner of baseball he could have avoided all this shit or he could be looking for windows in high floors to jump out of

lol

but i am assuming he is rational and similar to other presidents at the end of a 2 term presidency bush is nit a bad man not he is a decent guy’

Bush really went downhill for me ending of his first term.

just, in my opinion, a lousy president

Domestically he’s blown it, with illegal immigration he’s blown it, with spending he’s really blown it With Iraq he has all but blown it

A bipartisan, independent panel on Iraq presented its findings this morning to President Bush, who said he would take their ideas “very seriously” and move in “a timely fashion” to reshape policy. Mr. Bush called the group’s finding “a very tough assessment of the situation in Iraq.”

Tax cuts are really the only good thing I can say I believe came out of him that and keeping our defense structured as well as intelligence He’s no conservative, not even close Oh, and I approved of his judicial appointments I blame democrats for holding up good nominee’s to the courts And some republicans But this immigration legislation? What the hell is that? He approves of something like that and has the nerve to call himself a conservative (heh) oh well

you liberal are at fualt

Not really Bush is actually more of a liberal than I am

you liberal are at fualt..

Intel Czar), huge social spending, lack of border and immigration control (along with harmful immigration legislation) ^ Pretty liberal to me These are all Bush creations

the minimal are not cured by law

but you supported gore

Who? Me?

trapezoid

I was going to say .. I am for less government spending, the deactivation of big spending government programs and departments

lol, anyone watching Fox and friends see how unhappy her slapping steve on the arm made him?

what about roads

The termination of excessive government positions that accomplish nothing

terminating excessive positions is bad?

Two things I was against was the creation of the Dept. of Homeland Security and the Intelligence Czar Two things we really did _not_ need

gop is a fan of big government the bigger the better

Tell me what the DHS has _really_ accomplished since its creation other then more government expense at the cost of tax payers? Oh, and neat color bars that tell us the “threat level”

nice flow charts

Can’t forget those! Bush created all this crap in the name of “terrorism” which is pretty much his platform since I can remember “terrorism” being a word to cover up the more appropriate word of “unneeded expense” Whip up a few more government programs, departments, just slap the “anti-terrorism” label on them and hope the public doesn’t see it as just more expense and bigger government When the public _does_ see that, plan B) rehash 9/11 speech

dc|web, your comments are pretty stupid

rond? That’s your opinion

just because you can think it does not make it true

rond but are they wrong?

yes they are wrong there is a terrorist threat in the world today

no one denies that

Really? And it wasn’t before 9/11?

“terrorism” being a word to cover up the more appropriate word of “unneeded expense”

So terrorism was _only_ created AFTER 9/11?

your right not deny just a stupid comment

If Bush wasnt president, Americans would already being have their heads chopped off on home soil on a regular basis, I thank the mighty God for sending us George Bush

As though we haven’t been living with terrorism for years

could we not have coordinated our intelligence enclaves without creating a “czar” or an entire cabinet level department?

I don’t know kalomine there were and are probably 300 ways to organize against this threat

Terrorism has been around for ages. A government that takes that and uses it as an exscuse to spend like crazy _was_ just started since 9/11

lol what a sad persepctive

rond, Kalomine; Kalomine, rond. There, now you know Kalomine.

I’m sorry I don’t believe building up the government is the right way of going about fighting terrorism I already stated, I commend Bush for keeping the military structured

*rimshot*

And I am not for cutting it or intel all to hell But jesus, the DHS? I mean really? The intelligence Czar?

The couple of things I do know and you do to we have not had another incident on our soil

What? That you like big government? (;

it’s only been 5 years

our economy has rocked forward inspite of 9/11

what was the time difference between world trace center 1 and 2?

Good, Im not for economic dispare

so I think your not factoring in some of the most important elements of this choice of organization against the world wide terrorist threats

And yes, the economy is doing well, even now But, I also believe Bush has really just done as much as he could to increase government and increase spending since he’s been in office Most at the sake of a word

he did not make the choice to just do that that is stupid

He didn’t choose to create an entire department?

hmmmm I think I will increase government !! Lets see how do I do that Hmmm I have not spent enought

He didn’t choose to create an intelligence Czar?

How do I do that ?????

no child left behind

indeed I say again, Bush is no conservative Not even a hint of one

and you are ?

Yes, I am

actually no child left behind is largely unfunded

Bush has increased socialism at a greater rate than any other US president, other than FDR.

or left to the states, even though its a federal mandate

“terrorism” being a word to cover up the more appropriate word of “unneeded expense” — No your not

primarily due to increased services in medicare/medicaid/social security

LOL OMG I can’t believe because I talk about excessive spending and terrorism I am somehow not a conservative

Lupine, not enough

That’s laughable

Lupine, we spent 600 billion $ from this past year’s budget on welfare and entitlements, even adjusted for inflation, I still think Bush’s amount is more

If you can’t see what a huge spender Bush is, and how much money he has thrown aside That’s your problem, not mine If you really want to justify it all by the word of “terrorism” and that makes it OK Then you have party-blinders on

yes/no. the stat I saw was percentage of GDP I believe. Obviously, in dollars, Bush is more.

And should sit right along side there with Bush himself

but here’s the real double-fuck.. not only is the budget bloated.. the GOP *still* is viewed as the anti-minority/anti-poor party. even thou Bush did far more for them, than Clinton/cater ever did. i agree. we’re pissin gthe $$ away with Medicare program-D prescriptions, etc etc.

Everything from creation of new departments, burocartic heads, entitlement spending, Bush has not conducted himself as a conservative. As I said, I do back Bush’s appointments for the judiciary. And I blame democrats and a few republicans for screwing that up

You familiar with Section 8 vouchers from HUD?

bush has been a populist

Here in Dallas county, with a population of 4.5 million people, about 500,000 get some sort of Section 8 voucher, some of them up to $1000 a month!

these social programs are important but problem with the current administration is a lack of efficiency and too many pork barrel projects

Its both sides of the political aisle though

FDR dramatically increased social spending and kept the budget in balance

social security, et al are the ultimate pork barrel projects. the worst kind.. a ponzi scheme

lol he about broke the nations back

Fortune magazine had an article last month where they talk about the Social Security surplus. Last year it was $180 billion, and Fortune claims that if the surplus had been reinvested over the past 25 years, that current retirees would get 5x the amount of money per month

um, don’t be too proud of FDR keeping debt in check

he increased the great depression by about 5 years

“All safe deposit boxes in banks or financial institutions have been sealed… and may only be opened in the presence of an agent of the I.R.S.” - President F.D. Roosevelt, 1933

and put us into another depression in 38

Both sides would rather spend our money on crap, then to ensure a higher quality of life for all Americans

his social spending was about votes and that is about it

aka pure pork barerl