10.23.07
is abortion murder is child sacrifice for good weather murder is withholding drugs from a senior murder
8.33%
and the other 1.66% are brain dead
hasn’t* i meant
crazy… “IN THE COCKPIT…. IN THE COCKPIT……” on the CVR…… from Tom Burnette……… and his WIFE CONFIRMED it…….. isnt that amazing…….
so i mean 90% might as well be everyone
8.33% will go along with anything
right so, this is a stunning statistic
except secession
Pickle, more than 3,000 US troops have been killed. And many tens of thousands more wounded. The whole country is a war zone.
lots of uSs’s flying here
roygbiv^^, duhhhhhhhh
i truly believe secession is the best solution
ahhh here we go 82% of those polled are from Baghdad
Actually the whole country isn’t a war zone.
duffsterr, did you get that url?
3000 US troops, yes. 650,000 civilians, no.
which political party in Iraq has seceded so far?
DStewart supports my secessionist initiative!
also, read how the questions were presented
Democ, yes, sir, i did……. or mam……
ajofi- well, baghdad did have a pretty substantial infrastructure post-invasion. I can imagine its collapse has had rather salient infelicitous effects.
Democ, have you seen United 93…….
why are reps to dumbed down when it comes to the reality of iraq.. duffsterr, the movie?
Democ, no, the cartoon :/
too
Why do Dems lie so much about the reality of Iraq?
s.i.e.
Democ - why are you so dumbed down by what the DEMS were saying about Iraq ehh?
duffsterr, smartass
what is the reality of Iraq?
its true
Because they lie about everything.
its pointless
we were discussing secession, not Iraq!
is Iraq truly in a civil war?
When you take into account there are four sides to this conflict, it makes more sense.
sometimes democracy is the worst goverment to put in after being supressed for so long
Democ, dumbassssssss
STAY ON TOPIC PEOPLE
Saddam gave stability to iraq with out that stability
Kurds vs Sunnis, Shiites vs Sunnis, US vs Sunnis, US vs Shiites.
feudel, that’s right. He gave Iraq stability. Stability is great.
and hitler made the trains run on time
And foreign fighters.
feudel, oh my fucking GAWD ATHEISM………
yeah the topic.. I just had a jerkoff to the imaginary picture of Saddam hanged.. happy?
duffsterr, I should have know better than to try to have an intelligent convo with you..
fuedel, so did stalin
You are all pissing me off
the plates fell out from under the cabinet
Would you be okay living under a stable dictatorship?
it’s pandamonium
i never lived in a dictatorship
bye jhicks
650000 civilian deaths make no sense taking anything into account. In fact, that number makes less sense taking into account a number of factors on the ground.
but its the same when ever u walk out and nearly get the fuck blown out of u
But would you be okay living in one? A stable one, that is.
we can’t even have a useful discussion about secession dammit!
Democ, yes, please never be common sensical……. ever……… it might grow you up before you lay in a casket……….. geeezuzz….
Dstew, I would rather live in China than Iraq.
who is seceding?
who wouldnt
tortus - no one
me and my dog!
China is horrible u get brain washed
buy my dog bit me er, but
roy, would you rather live in China than Australia?
Night fools
Which iraqi political party has seceded so far?
have fun with flawed logic
I would rather live in Zimbabwe than Iraq.
well thats a hard choise
we’re talking about Detroit here sonny
Those two are comparable.
i would probably chose Iraq before Zimbabwe choose*
Pickle, its like porn stars dying of aids in the 70s and 80s and holy shit, they have to learn to GOVERN themselves…….. same shit….
oh detroit, thats a lost cause 
have fun with flawed logic
nobody wants to be in the same country as Detroit.
we cannot stay the course in detroit thats for sure ;p
have you considered buying a dog sweater for your dog? he might be cranky because of the weather
drink wine? I had wine from Detroit.
he’s pretty much always snippy
like a normal dog?
tasted like some poor vitner decided to put a vineyard in an old junkyard
i think it’s genetic
wine was strongly metallic
like transmission fluid
the muslims in dearborn were celebrating saddams demise
interesting, maybe that was the bouquet1 !
ugh. this router is the pits
flavor was metallic
poor muslims…. pissing on saddam…………
probably Dexron III ajofi
my sons poodle is snippy. but not to me cuz i give him turkey lunchmeat.
duffsterr!’
tortus — hehehe
seems Detroit can’t do anything right
DUFFY!
jhicks, whaaaaaaaaaaat?????????
happy friggin new year man!
ah here we go, the full article
jhicks, hahahaha lol
didn’t eminem come from detroit?
phew
yes he did
emeinem, what a joke
Saddam still has daughters living safely in Jordan. It’s possible that the Hussein family will make a come back in future, heh
a good reason to nuke it
many idiots came from there
saddam defiant untill the end
pathetic dork fuck
hey
Grooblle, lolol hahahah amenm
eminem is a good role model for our children though!
hahaha observant, hahahahah
sure, and the Borgias might do the same
Wait until we hang that bastard Lincoln! ahem
heh
i think BORAT is a GOOD ROLE MODEL !!!!!!!! FOR ALLL
saddam wore all black
More troops unhappy with Bush?s course in Iraq http://www.airforcetimes.com/story.php?f=1-292925-2449372.php
“isssssss niiiiiiiiiceeeeeee”
has eminem released anything new this year? not like I care but he seems like a goner now..
Swigert likes Saddam AND Lincoln!
both?
Grooblle, who cares
oh my
hehehehee
yeah i dont care but strange he hasnt done anything to try and get up his fame again.. ;P
give me john williams movie scores over that poop……..
bad move dood
Grooblle, go ask katie dumbass….. or the rest of them…….. oprah dumbass………. this country is doomed…….
Lincoln slept in the same bed as Joshua Speed for four years
so?
Hehehe
who was that famous french couple that got hanged in france? i forgot
humping
ppl like dumbasses
joshua was ok with that?
no proof
duffsterr, your jealousy is showing
they were fags
you mean the royals?
oh saddam was still proclaming he was president of Iraq
Grooblle, they do, u r more correct than not…..
hump hump brokeback lincoln
ya, they got the guillotine or hanged
tortus- ok I’m reading over the methodology section
Democ, no, i like Peter North……..
can check my book brb
ok
euw
is there something in particular you took issue with?
I think he means ollie north
So Saddam is dead - who’s next? Kim Jong Il? Assad in Syria?
ahmadinejad
gosh I hope so
Barney Frank
Ludwig XVI and Marie-Antoinette?
(I’m not saying I don’t. I’m just looking for input)
a minute
ok
pity Trudeau died - he should have gone to the gallows
Democ, I also LOVE Ronald Reagan……
ya thats it! thanks
Swigert- gosh you hope so on what?
I don’t really understand what Syria has done to warrant such hatred from america, other than be an enemy to Israel.
duffsterr, another traitor
Ceacesceu was more fun than Saddam
I hope he means Ollie North instead of Peter North, the porn star
Democ, niiiiiiiice, another traitor…….. and yure Democ, niiiiiiiice, another traitor…….. and yure John Conner….??????
no, Ceaucescu was a tyrant too
a lot of people should be punished for their crimes against humanity
yeah like eminem as we mentioned before
reagan, arms for hostages, egads, that was treasonous, not to mention against the law
where is US-Male and what have you done with him?
like who?
Democ, huhhhhh??? jhicks, hahahaha i dont know….. hahaha… i have not been on here in a long time….
I kinda miss the ornery bastard
is he okay?
I hope so
Swigert- oh ok
it was Louis XVI
yes, in your language..
He just sorta disappeard duffsterr
and french too, when I think about it
oh hehe :p
realllllllyyyyyyy…….. hmmmmmmm
well, maybe he’s just shacking up with some stinky hippie chick he does that from time to time
$1,400 for this computer and it doesn’t work properly
i dont come on here all the ttime…. i been workin me pooper off lately……..
swig… i think a lot have already benn mentioned and some are still in power (((((((((((((((
We need to talk about you loaning me some money
jhicks, hahahahahahahaha
aw cmon man
jhicks, u goober……. Quit being in DEBT!!!!!!
Merda taurorum animas conturbit
but i never pay back my debts so it’s all good
swig… i think a lot have already been mentioned and some are still in power (((((((((((((((
en anglais, svp gotta do more
democ, u left? poor guy
It turns out that Lincoln was a protectionist pig, did you hear?
so?
swig… have you been reading what is said on the channel ?
He hated America, etc
no hey darth
DarthStein!
Dec. 29, 2006 - In a highly unusual move, Sen. Barbara Boxer of California has rescinded an award to an Islamic activist in her home state because of the man’s connections to a major American Muslim organization that recently has been courted by leading political figures and even the FBI.
God I hate that bitch
Pickle, niiiiiiiiiiiiiice………….
Man, Michael Moore and the rest of the Islamist-loving reactionary left are really going to be in for a disappointment concerning this Democrat Congress.
she got a law passed where I can’t get overtime pay
RESCINDED!!!!!!!! MOFO
Qw live in a world with no saddam, no yassir, and fidel on his death bed.
Boxer’s office confirmed to NEWSWEEK that she has withdrawn a “certificate of accomplishment” to Sacramento activist Basim Elkarra after learning that he serves as an official with the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR).
she talks like a liberal but then goes all corporate supporter
jhicks, they all doooooooo…….
yeah
jhicks, its POWWA………
phony slutz
boxer is jewish
Even a moonbat like Boxer recognizes that CAIR are a bunch of Islamist-loving, antisemitic terrorists.
u goober… www.lp.org
lifetime membership card here
CAIR is not FOR FREEDOM
CAIR- Council for the Advancement of Islamic Radicalism
although i almost burned it
jhicks, whaaaaaaaaaat??????? Play2win, hahaha
it’s misleading to call it radicalism though
they’ve been infiltrated
Play2win, yeah, A C L U - ism……..
is something radical when it is embraced by 99% of the group it targets?
jhicks, the LPs?
yeah
jhicks, uh oh jhicks, wow jhicks, spill the beans……..
if there are moslems who don’t want to commit genocide on the jews, who want to coexist with western civilization and other religions, then they would be the radicals
nice……
bush and pelosi sent moles in to undermine it
in 2006???????
little furry eyeless moles and they undermined it
‘Gaza is no longer safe for journalists’ http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?c=JPArticle&cid=1164882001755&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull “Palestinian factions that do not hesitate to target media that criticize them.”
okay, yure dumb
neither is New York
it’s extremely safe for journalists as long as they give the palestinians favourable coverage
Gaza was ever safe for journalists?
otherwise heads will roll
no, only the invitation of Jimmy Vaughan to the 2006 convention saved it
jhicks, okay, andddddddddd, you have proof of thisssssssssss?
They invited NEIL BOORTZ to speak!!!
hahaha
New York is safe for jounalists
Neil Boortz is like, GWB clone.
GOOD!!!!!!
as long as they wear black
gawrsh, Terrorist Savages do not believe in freedom of the press? say it isn’t so.
HUH?????????
No, BAAAAD George Bush sucks!
still want to “Talk” to these people?
BOORTZ = BUSH!?????????? not hardly
Darth = goofy??
yure dumb
they are free to say anything about moslems as long as it’s favourable
Boortz is JUST LIKE Bush!
jhicks, uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh howwwwwwwwwwwwww
her is one listing of the complaints on the methodology…… http://www.casi.org.uk/briefing/041101lancetpmos.html
They’re both war mongers. statist pigs, etc
jhicks, ahhhhhhhhhhhh “war mongers.” niiiiiiiiice……….
We’re TRYING to be Libertarians here OK?!?
oink
“statist pigs, etc” niiiiiiiiiice
don’t go all Trotsky on me
Jacobin
yeah YEW STEENKING JACOBINS ahem I get all worked up sometimes
haha! silence
k
ROFL it’s like the whole room is staring AT JHICKS! LOL wow this is weird
jhicks, b4 i lay in a casket did what Harry S. Truman DO on August 6th and 9th, 1945, NUKING 2 INNOCENT CITIES of JAPAN, HIROSHIMA and NAGASAKI appropriate………? By the way, Harry Truman was a DEMOCRAT…….
STOP LOOKING AT ME
it was not appropriate and yes he was a democrat
filburt here is the economist, which doesn’ not think it is *so* bad
Some say the nukes that ended the war were a terrorist act.
but still wrong
Wilson, FDR, Truman - crazy ass war mongers
yeah
others say the nukes were not necessary both are wrong.
devil worpishers
hahah
we are still using the purple hearts that were made for that invasion.
duffsterr!!
CRYHAVOC!
and mr prez isn’t a war monger also ?
hickster
Make them stop looking at me!
and hallo ishi
k/b them all!
ajofi, i hate war…….. what do you do……..
people blow each other up
to the tune of Duke of Earl, Nuke Nuke Nuke Nuke em all
hrmm if I kb ed you,…would that not solve dilemma also..withotu as much work?
they’ve done it throughout history kill each other never changes lots of people to kill
heh…o well…night peeps
it was not appropriate
you kane it sound like its a bad thing. make.
tortus- it seems that Baghdad received 12 clusters while a couple sectors received none.
it was not appropriate
u are lazy!
everyone knows people come in two flavors, good, and bad.
aloha cry
yes it was not appropriate
ajofi, i totally agree…….. but how do U END A WAR……… or never GET INTO A WARRRRRR???????????
what’s your point not going to happen war is a function of human existence
the confidence interval is also…huge
yes
ajofi, okay
tortus- I just noticed that as well …
the critique i remeber is how they clustered, but i think i read that in the wsj, and i can’t find it online
well I’m looking at the clustre table and some of the methodology of clustre selection I don’t think I would have used this methodology
its sloppy
where is the video of saddams head noooooooosed……..
it really seems so. I try not to make such strong statements but my subjective impression of this is sloppiness
it got alot of bad commentary right away,
paypal me $40 and I’ll send it to you
jhicks, hahaha
I’m serious man
jhicks, u must be out of a job
No, I’m working, I’m just greedy
jhicks, amen
do it man, i’ve got a killer picture here
jhicks, killer picture of what…..
saddam swingin limp
jhicks, lol
just paypal me, you won’t be disappointed
is he really dead……
Wassup
heh it seems he is
Yeah hes dead
http://dubai.isnuts.googlepages.com.nyud.net:8080/
I’m not sure it was the most prudent course of action but it was done nonetheless
dubai is nuts googlepages.com nyud.net:8080 What the hell is that abot ?
k, thats not the death pix, thx k, thats not the death pix, thx for playin
Duff if you want to see the death picks be patient it will be on some mainstream news.. later.
Filburt, the dipshit from IRAN is most PRUDENT COURSE of action soon……. nooooo????????
duffsterr- what?
actually, the goverment of Iraq, is saying they may not show the video or the still pics for a while
FreeTra2f, yes, i will be patient……. 
to avoid violence
I dont really care, hes dead, and hes not coming back, thats good news..
JanetB- probably a wise idea
Now no way in hell could he come back..
yeah he could pickle juice
I seriously doubt a return to power was in the cards for Saddam Hussein
sprinkle pickle juice on a grave at 1/2 moon
No but now its absolute and forever.
he’ll come back
I have a Saddam sock puppet right here, wanna see it?
the people in the streets are celebrating
JanetB- is this the government employees or someone else
When the Ayatollah Khomeine was exiled to France they said he would never be back either.. then he came back and ruled Iran.
http://www.gocomics.com/rallcom/2006/12/09/
wanna see my Baghdad Bob sock puppet?
Filburt… the national security advisor
jhicks you have to read that http://www.gocomics.com/rallcom/2006/12/09/
Actually its been true of several dictators/bad guys.
JanetB- I see
it was YOUR idea jhicks see!
oh shit
it was copied!!!
Which leads me to the opinion that exile is bad hews and death is better or execution
somebody ACTED on my crazy shit?
you should have copyrighted it jhicks! YEAH1 !
woops
tedrall one of the most insane brilliant cartoonists of all time
what idea?
NOBODY should ever respond to my inane antics
jhicks said the solution to the iraq problem was to put saddam back into power so you get http://www.gocomics.com/rallcom/2006/12/09/
poor Steven Spielberg…….. Poor Schindler’s List…………..
woops sorry humanity
! i love the ! above his head
Well I think ill do something.. bbl maybe.
He wore Brooks Brother’s suits!
hahahaha
WAIT! Don’t LEAVE
Well, over time it seems the difficulty in regaining power post-exile has increased however, it’s perhaps reasonable to be concerned about proxy-leadership though in Hussein’s case I’m not sure
is it really a brook’s brothers suit?
yes
wow
bought in manhattan
i wonder what brook’s brothers thinks of that
they don’t care
interesting ad campaign
any publicity is good publicity, etc
bought in manhattan and flown to Iraq?
yep
jesus i’m in manhattan now
don’t bring jesus into this, they’re jewish
what? there are no jews in nyc
oh, sorry, i forgot
no gays either
true
no blacks
it’s holy ground i forgot
i have a jewish friend down the street, she loves to say things to people when they get “lost” packages things “i live in new york city, maybe you’ve heard of it”
Like, give them bad directions?
“two airplanes crashed into two large buildings here” and she’s jewish with a strong long island accent it’s hysterical
bitchy
it’s funny
yeah
I was in NYC in June (I used to live there), and had a great time showing people around
it is fun for that showing people around living here is cRaZy
you sent them to brooklyn dincha
NO to the bronx!
evil!
or if you really don’t like them, to staten island
I’m a nice person
LIES
i like brooklyn
brooklyn is ok if you like lox
I’m a Queens boy
i thought new jersey was beautiful, when i was there. the garden stae is right
i don’t know much about queens
yeap, nj is OK
i go through it on the subway to laguardia and JFK that’s it
nice place
oh and supposely there’s good cuban/chinese there in queens
yup
as in cuban-chinese restaurants
queens is where you sleep
i expected new jersey to be like calif. it isn’t.
manhattan is where you have sex
i sleep and have sex in manhattan haha
the entire east coast is less populated than the west coast, from me just looking at it lots of trees and undeveloped space on the east coast
no, sierra nevada rocks
yeah it does and colorado
i had twenty acres there and sold it
i live on the sierras
you are nuts
dammit
what were you thinking you must’ve gotten married
i needed the dough
and then got a divorce
no, i got broke
gambling?
needed the bucks outta work for two years
drugs? hookers?
good thing about the sierras is, the air is clean. and no toll roads
i’m a computer scientist
oh come on make up a story
i really am a computer scientist!
wtf is that all about on the easst coast? have to pay $@ every time you just get going the speed limit
General Sherman, what a military genius!
yeah make up a story
as if the roads were not already apid for
FreeTrade wanted all our jobs to go to India so I was outta work for two years
east coast congestion pay your way boy if you don’t like it take the train
lol
out west, we use the roads freely
does he really want that?
congestion or not
subsidies east coast is pay your way
I AM CONGESTION FREE NOW
gross
here, you would see people driving tractors thru the toll stations before they would pay for something they already paid for
well a true toll is something you have not paid for unless you pay the toll
the roads i was on in new jersey were not new
so roads cost money to exist not just build
your cheap polyester shirt chafed my nose dammit
no sympathy jhicks
i guess its a matter of what you are accustomed to bearing. like the frog in the gently heating water
ajofi shops at Target!
i don’t have a car here so it doesn’t affect me i take trains
NJ Transit just fucked me over and I had to buy a cab
$600-$800 per month just to park a car in manhattan
the roads are paid from gasoline taxes here
i dont like NJ transit they’re always fucking up
we send it to the feds, and ask them for it nicely to build our roads
They just blew by me in Ridgewood at a scheduled friggin stop
drive in Manhattan? Are you crazy? Manhattan is a walker’s paradise
cost me thirty bucks to get back fuckers
exactly why would you have a car here walk or subway
i drove 2,000 miles last week, from about idaho to arizona, and never had a toll fee. not one
PATH baybee
or PATH
i did get stopped twice for speeding, but was not ticketed
NJ Transit to Hoboken Path to 33rd
or taxi if you must cars are ridiculously useless here
fuck a taxi
i drove a rental. cost $110
who needs a goddam taxi
in city, taxi can work fine
taxi is teh suck
i’ve taken a few in the 3 months i’ve been here
you’re lazy
when I was in NYC this summer, I took a taxi once - from Penn Station to my hotel in Queens
WALK BITCH
they come in handy if you have to go 30 blocks where a train doesn’t go and you’re in a suit and it’s 90 outside
enterprise rental. 5 days silverado. $110
but a freind picked me up from Queens and drove to his place in Suffolk County
nah, if you walk slow you still come in looking like a sweaty pig that does not make a good impression sweaty man in a suit? forget it
intimidate them
if i’m smart in such a situation, i’ll have car service arranged the day before
GIVE ME YOUR FUCKING MONEY DAMMIT
that’s the new york style
exactly
WOW
i can find a taxi in las vegas to take me 2 miles for $25. thats not hard to do
I drove from LV to Reno last year beautiful drive
pretty flat
I drove in WV and VA on my trip - also touched MD and PA
yeah, the color is what is good. all that lavendar and sage green.
no, it was a gorgeous drive, i was inspired
i drove arizona last week. amazing rock formation
amazed that nevada was like that actually kinda blew me away
i am impressed.most people have to have someone show them how to look at nevada. its hard to see
I love the whole country every bit of it I’ve seen pretty much all of it
i drove route 66.
It’s an amazing place
Me too
san antonio was quite good. i was on the river walk
Back in the 70’s I hitchhiked a great deal of it It’s a shame that is so dangerous to do nowdays
tortus, did you drive the whole route? jhicks, I also hitched it Part of it, not all of it
I did a good 50000 miles at least
no i walked a couple blocks. but it was christmas, and kids were caroling on the river lights all over the place very beautiful
I did California to Mississippi and back at least 15 times
oh, 66, no i was only about 50 miles
The Riverwalk, I’ve only been down there once, I liked it.
i guess alot of it was from the world fair lots of development from phoenix to nevada. bedroom communities. big developers planning thousands of homes for commuters i remember that happening near las vegas. everyone thought they were crazy for building
who the hell would want to live in las vegasd i can barely stand a weekend there
Me
effing sesspool
i dont like lv. because of the congestion the shopping and restaurants are good
place is a magnet for all the scum in the world looking for cheap thrills and other forms of hedonistic debauchery nothx
Fuckin’ eh.
hey if thats your thing man, go for it lay down with dogs, you’ll get fleas
depends which neighborhoods you are in. center city is rough and glitzy. the suburbs are like socal in fact, most of the people there are from calif and they are voting their cheesy notions why i moved
There are people moving to Killeen from California.
theres a huge exodus from california
Pay insane amounts of money for land and houses
las vegas works really hard at moving businesses out of calif to nevada the chambers of commerce spend all their money on it. and the money is considerable las vegas is about 35% hispanic now
and will grow in hispanic population
all those service jhobs in the hotels
and construction
the city is trying to diversify away from hotels and gaming. its not easy. but that is where all teh money is going. to strengthen the economy ther
pfft yeah, good luck with that
after 911, 35,000 people were laid off because people did not want to fly. that was a serious hit
Anyone read Blogging the Bible? http://www.slate.com/id/2145574/entry/2145575/ Leviticus chapters 1- 7 “The first seven chapters, for example, are a Complete Guide to Animal Sacrifice. This is utterly useless for modern Christians and Jews…”
this from a city who advertises ‘what happens in vegas, stays in vegas’ *wink wink*
yup
yeah so.. this diversification you speak of im not seein it!
try to get distribution centers. because we can service salt lake, phoenix and los angeles its a duty free zone for most of it. that for example is what is worked on
and landlocked
yup
so you would be receiving from LA
no
not so much sending to LA
not much lots of light assembly going on there. thats how you do it things that don’t wiegh much the other restriction is water, we have to get industry that doesn’t need water, its difficult
trying to get vegas away from gambling, drunks, prostitution, etc. is like trying to get venice, italy away from its image of a city on top of a bunch of water good luck
but there is alot of money paying for it
nevada is trying to be business freindly i will give you that
50 yrs ago, las vegas had 55,000 people. now its about a million and a half
thanks entirely to the gaming/entertainment industry
well, the tourism is world. its a world destination
that is true
“Moses ordains Aaron as priest?this includes the peculiar spectacle of dabbing blood on “the ridge of Aaron’s right ear,” on his right thumb, and on his right big toe.”
that we also work on. but we don’t pay for that. we only pay for diversification
that’s really dumb
ajofi, old covenant as a Christian, that was done away with with Christ as a Jew, the Temple is no more
“But rather than the prescribed incense, they give God “alien fire.” So, BOOM! God incinerates them on the spot.”
neither are the sacrifices that went with it
“Moses, more like a Mafia boss than a prophet, tells Aaron his sons got what they deserve, then orders some cousins to drag the corpses away and drop them outside of camp.” this is hysterical people used to believe this crap
Aarons sons were a bunch of drunks cavorting in holy places they were warned repeatedly
what about Lot
so was Aaron what about him
he was portrayed as a good guy
and?
well when the mob came and wanted to rape the angels, Lot said “no here take my bitch daughters, you can rape them” then his daughters get him drunk and bone him bizarre shit
that is how the story goes bizarre indeed but absolutely no bearing on Judaism or Christianity
no bearing it’s in the bible
no bearing yes, it is
i think it’s there to tell us that god doesn’t write books
tell me how it contributes to either faith does God use people?
that is the bible….
it should tell people not to take anything written my men seriously, especially if they say it’s divinely inspired
does God ever use people to will or to work?
no
is it inconceivable to you God could speak through people?
no
then why the categorical dismissal
oops i misread the second statement yes to the second one
I see so a God who created all of this, can’t speak through people makes sense not
there is no “a God”
ohhh
i can’t wait until this guy starts writing about the new testament
i suspected you were born without reason, prolonged by chance, and will die into oblivion
yes
tell me what your motivation for living one more day is
got to do something with the time
says who?
besides it’s fun
it is?
lots of fun
why dont you go out and do whatever you want
i do
why behave morally at all i doubt it
i do whatever i really want
no you dont
sure i do
you can stop lying that would be a good way to begin to debate
atheists can respect others lives as they do their own
i’m not lying! haha1
indeed ajofi here is perfectly moral or so he would have us believe
http://hope.rains.net/~weev/temp/Saddam_Hussein_Execution_aired_on_Al_Arabiye_061230.wmv
religion or faith in god is not required for morality
i bet he still looks both ways before he crosses the street as well
they are two different things
even though he says theres no reason or purpose to existence
well i live in new york and we don’t do that we just walk i bring purposes to my existence by choice
no you dont
oh but i do
and by the way you expect others to be moral
not really
right so you wouldnt flinch if your mother was murdered with an axe
sure i would
fordnut is a hardass
so you do expect others to be moral
you expect others to be moral
we all expect people to be moral to some extent
you would also expect someone who murders your mother to be held accountable as would any moral person
surprise at mom being murdered with an axe does not translate into expecting her to NOT be murdered with an axe
read above
for example, i count on the morality of people to not kill me
right soutlaw
surprise does not imply morality
so does ajofi
if i drop $10 on the ground, i don’t count on the morality of people to give it back to me either
so you have placed gradients on morality
right
what a peculiar idea
there is a basic morality we all expect living the united states
who decides these things ?
the law?
society
who sets the law?
well, morality covers everything from murder of your mother to spitting on the sidewalk
we agree on certain things
government of the people
sneezing on the wrong side of your had
so if 50% +1 says murder is ok, is it?
not by my standards
what you’re talking about is the basis of self-defense, not god
not by any moral persons standards
everyone has a certain expectation of what people should or should not do
im not talking about self defense im talking about killing someone with malice aforethought
you’re talking about morality and where that comes from
no
our moral code is loosely based on the ten commandments i’m willing to accept that
im showing you you live by a moral standard and you expect others to as well
bhahaha! that’s insane you mean the first 3
well, morality is based on consensus ultimately
no it isnt
NO ONE gives a shit about a majority of the 10 commandments
but not 50% agreeing on murder rules
i said loosely based
that is a strawmqan
murder is murder is murder is wrong wrong wrong i dont care what the consensus is
to EVERYONE
neither should you people
the origin for that is self-defense not god
because…*everyone* thinks murder is wrong.cept saddam
not religion
the animal kingdom does not have a moral code
the murder issue is not really arguable. its the smaller infractions that are arguable like, hair length
well the murder issue gets right to the heart of the matter
speeding cruel debate
even ajofi here is forced to admit there is a moral standard
although he’s had quite a difficult time defining who sets it
the animal kingdom absolutely does have a moral code
it most certainly does not
no, murder is something everyone agrees on. the only thing that affects that issue is what is killing and what is murder
it most certainly does exactly the way you defined it
define morals
whether you had 3000 or 300 000 killed it doesn’t matter !
then tell me why you dont imprison animals
principles of right and wrong behavior
for behavior
is abortion murder? is child sacrifice for good weather murder? is withholding drugs from a senior murder?
because *WE* do not apply OUR morals on animals
lol
but animals have a moral code
do they now?
fordnut, a dog that attacks people will be put down by the government
explain
of course of varying degrees
so we do expect something of dogs
animals are not rational.
now we have degrees of animal morality
they cannot murder
primates retaliate against each other for perceived injustices
tortus is catching on
just like we do
we condemn killing, murder then what is executing a man ???
we are not always rational either
ajofi is that a survival instinct or a moral code
you approve of my posts?
some
we’ve developed the ability.. some not
i am 50 yrs old. this is not something i am catching on to.
where do you get this concept of ‘fair’ and ‘not fair’
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wow that was fast
there’s at best three commandments of the 10 that are followed and those three have been around a lot longer in concept than the 10 commandments
maybe the other 10 commandments were broken the stone tablets were broken
when were the 10 commandments given
and the morality implied by them has origins in other cultures where there have never been contact with 10 commandments
and lets not throw this red herring take the 10 commandments out
hello
the one godis not universal
i didn’t bring it up
i asked you where you got this concept of fair and not fair and you brought up the 10 commandments
i did not
ok, well where did the concept come from
well, justice is about fair
by your explanation right tortus
scoutlaw brought it up
if you want to explore justice it is about fair
correct
self-interest
is it?
of course
hum so a person running into a burning building to save a loved one fair or not fair
if i’m nice to someone it is vastly more likely they will be nice back
altruism is not about fair
to treat them fairly will likely get me the same treatment
altruism is about heric
altruism you see a lot of the things we would consider moral, just, fair, noble behavior
altruism is an ideal. same as justice
are not self serving AT ALL nor are they in the interest of self preservation you could come up with many examples
nope it’s about self-interest, i do this with a very logical notion that someone else will reciprocate to my benefit
really
objectivists would not agree about altrusim. randians think altruism is yet another ploy to be egocentric
