10.23.07
and aaamen you are so enthralled by the UN inspector What about the leading UN Inspector who said that most definately
dclassify, the decision to go to war didn’t come from just the White House.
ignorance means lack of knowlege, if comed from ignore, to not know to not listen to not be aware.
There *are* mistakes and Iraq was indeed one of them
dclassify, of course you have been told that 3 times now
AAA… got something a little higher up… maybe someone who actually made the big decisions?
Iraq isn’t a mistake.
AAAman is wolfowitz head of anything meathead
YOu were ignorant of these reasons.. But it would have been fine if you were educated in the reasoning, but disagreed with it being sufficient cause
Wasn’t wolfy just another PNAC clone anyways?
For example is a state which tried to assasinate a president a reason to consider war ? I say its a reason to consider war
Educated? How about stopping trying to talk over me as though you’re better than me
war may not be the wise decision but its definately a reason worthy of consideration
dclassify, how about shutting up and listening.
Wolf was considered to be the brain of GWB on foreign policy
dc, Because on this issue you are not as educated as I am , but you could be..
I love how people on IRC have this huge chip on their shoulder and love to get in pissing matches
On some issues I am sure you could talk over me and I am ignorant on this you are ignorant
I wouldn’t talk over anyone Because I don
You didnt just disagree you claimed there were no reasons
I don’t try to act as though I am better than someone else by saying little key phrases like “you’re not educated on this”
Well you try, it just doesn’t work.
As though you *know* anything about me or my background Or what my education is
Shooting at US aircraft and british aircraft put in place to stop genocidal attacks on iraqi minorities by saddam
Nah, you stick to the implication that we’re all white house mind-slaves instead.
Plotting to assasinate our president 41
dclassify your not meathead
Incapable of self-thought.
dclassify do you un 1441 dclassify have you even read un 1441
But hey, to each their own.
reason 3, Clintons order for regime change
dclassify do you think on your own
Indeed I do
4)potential to deliver wmd into the hands of the enemy 5) potential to join in some degree with the enemy
gopp — I would bet you have not read the entire 1441 with the addendum
I could go on and on and on.
There are human rights issues all around the world, funny how *Iraq* seems to stand out ahead of all of them. Good timing too
dclassify you sound like all those other digbats
gopp — I would bet you have not read the entire 1441 with the addendum
I have read it AAAman I don’t pick and choose one portion
I know I do to you, and you’re opinion doesn’t mean much so
AAAman hey dingbat it one of reason we went to iraq
dc, you would be a lot less ignorant if you simply said i dont believe that reason you stated justified a war. then you would acknowlege the fact of their being reasons but you could deny the validity of war
Human rights issues typically are tacked on feel-good issues to further justify an operation that has already been approved for strategic reasons.
gopp — US promised to comeback for a second resolution before going to war — US gave its word
but you choose to make the mistake of attacking obvious facts rather than putting forth valid opinion s
gopp — What is the U.S. word worth these days?
Human rights issues cover most of the nations on the planet… even if we took over the planet we still wouldn’t have the manpower to stop them all.
and aaamen, you are so enthralled by the UN inspector. What about the leading UN Inspector who said that most definately saddam has intention to start a nuclear program as soon as sanctions were removed ?
gopp — US promised to comeback for a second resolution before going to war — US gave its word
has = had Well AAAman ? If y our going to give UN Inspectors God like Status why do you ignore this Gods word ?
FreeTra5w– No doubt, if Saddam was left alone FreeTra5w– But who said we would leave Saddam alone
then you are agreeing he woudl of reconstituted WMD ?
They came back… France, Russia said no way in hell are we going to even consider it… so why bother with the vote… just be bad PR for what we were going to do anyways.
FreeTra5w– Who said we would leave Saddam alone
AAAman, when sanctions were removed we would have no legal justification to even violate his air space
AAAman we did try, and france and russia said no AAAman lies number 1 from you
When sanctions were over our ability to be on top of him would be over.
FreeTra5w– Who said we would lift sanctions if they were needed. This a straw man argument
milk to oil would be oil or food to oil scam. everything would have been over
AAAman and not only un mandates, but also
I think this discussion is a rerun.
It’s funny we get fussy about other world members having a “god-like” status, but we sure don’t mind establishing that for ourselves
he broke the no fly zone runes
he would have been able to operate as a free agent in the world
dclassify we are a deffensive power dclassify not a agersive power meathead
We are a country in a *world* of countries
and the USA would have needed to go to the UN to even get another santion or to fly over or to stop genocide.
dclassify do you know or understand the difference
AAAman, who in the world today says taking Saddam out of power was a bad thing?
FreeTra5w– Saddam is not a young man and it takes many years to develop an atomic weapon
DO people remember why we started the no fly zones in Iraq ?
AAAman, anyone?
dclassify are we a agressive or defense state I think the latter
We were leaving iraq after the war and the minorities were getting slaughtered
dclassify claims are an agresive country like other countrys
FreeTra5w… violation of the ceasefire agreement.
PLEASE
and there was world outcry
yes
TheTailor — People say Saddam was better then the current situation, yes
The UN didn’t authorize that one either.
about the plight of the kurds and the shias
AAAman The no fly zone and ceasefire
Did more of a retroactive, “okay fine”
dclassify, we are a country above most countries in the “world”, as most of them are lead by despots, look at the UN.
AAAman saddam milltary shot at our millatry planes
“most of them”
TheTailor– You do not want to go up that tree
lol Do you hear yourself talk?
so we came back in with overflights of southern and northern iraq to preven saddam from moving in large forces by air or bombardments or wmd
Or why we bombed the shit out of them in 1998 for violating the ceasefire agreement
AAAman, what people, and you didn’t answer my question
dclassify are y ou to say, we are ruled by dicators
AAAman, who in the world today says taking Saddam out of power was a bad thing?
Non-UN approved.
Do you know how many nations are in the world?
And we have no doubt he had WMD then
dclassify I would say your worng
190-ish
“most” of them are lead by despots?
Noone has doubt
dclassify we are a defense power a defense country dclassify yes kim young ill saddam, catro, hmm iran
Of course you are one of the kings of blanket statements
castro
TheTailor — A good many people in Europe
dclassify, I said most, not all
But I love how you’re so world-traveles
TheTailor — With the Middle East about to blow up, you tell me things are better
Most counties in the west i think are led simply by men who prefer to look the other way
That *most* of the world’s countries are lead by despots
AAAman, who in Europe says Saddam being out of power is a good thing?
America and the UK has a conscience and is bothered by genocide, We once were not, Isnt it a good thing we have a conscience these days ?
haha, the middle east isn’t about to “blow up”.
I think it is
They’re better because Bush says they are ;p
dclassify AAAman
I think it is good we care.
TheTailor — If you rely on polls, a good many Americans say the war was a mistake
AAAman AAAman “Please note that Iraq violated 16 United Nation resolutions over a period of 10 years. The only reason Saddam Hussein allowed United Nations inspectors to search for weapons of mass destruction was due to the fact that the United States had Iraq surrounded by war ships and over 100,000 U.S. troops.”
And that’s all we *should* need
TheTailor — If you rely on polls, a good many Americans say the war was a mistake
AAAman, that’s a different issue, stop spinning.
AAA yes but they said originally the war was right and it wasnt wmd
lol
AAAman, who in Europe, or anywhere, says Saddam being out of power is a good thing?
So if they were right once why are they wrong now ?
TheTailor — If the war was a mistake, then Saddam would be in power
I know the truth and i suspect you do they dont want to lose a war
Its a horse a piece….who says Saddam is bad, who says Georgie is bad
AAAman, sorry, Saddam being out of power is a BAD thing, who says so?
Because people realize how poorly planned it was and really now questions motives
If we started winning suddenly they would start supporitng it again and it would go well over 50%
Saddam is bad, therefore Bush is good.
Hard to see that in the (start) stages
only on the basis of starting to win
I think them two should just fight it out in the ring
AAAman, the war wasn’t a mistake, obviously as wveryone agrees Saddam out of power is a GOOD thing.
USA is trying to bring the Baathists back in these days.
DC I agree they see it poorly planned, I dont think they question motives really I think they are disheartened that we could lose again
Baathism — not quite as bad as we thought, originally, is the current thinking.
How could you not with something so poorly planned?
And I dont think we neccesarily will lose.
Like “I Want!, no I want, no I want, no Me, no Me, etc.”
ke6i, that might be good for some of the older officers in the Iraqi army, now that they have had time to think things through.
If you wanted to pull something like this off successfully,
and in some respects we have already won major victories.
Yeah we showed them.
That doesn’t come across well in type
dclassify, it wasn’t poorly planned.
DC, 34% of our forced were blocked for 2 weeks from setting foot in iraq because a country went back on its word forces not forced
“All in all, do you think the situation in Iraq was worth going to war over, or not?”
In any war you roll with the punches.
I mean I can’t believe (If Bush is indeed smart as well as those who surround him) that the smart people they are would have planned this war that poorly
the northern route an entire leg of the triangle was cut off at the last moments
TheTailor — “All in all, do you think the situation in Iraq was worth going to war over, or not?”
So either their motives are in question, or they in fact wern’t as smart as led to believe
dclassify the war not planned badly
bEcause turkey gave us permission to bring our forces across their country and then withdreww it
AAAman, I believe the war on terror must be waged.
dclassify we “won” the war
this fucked up the battle from the first month
dclassify f you really want to lower morale and place troops in great danger- leave them sitting stationed idle in a desert around Iraq for two years before conducting a war. I guess this would have been the plan of the Democratic Party.
and we have had to adjust ever since
Yea, tell that to the latest car bomb vic’s
Of course we would have had to adjust anyway as fdr
I don’t believe Bush is smart (can I get away with that Tail?)
did as ike did
You’re pushing it
I think once people start dying, these things get a momentum.
;p
VemoD, yeah, you know.
Vemo, You can get away with that yes but I dont think you are smart I think you dont have 1 10th a clue as most people here.
Seriously, its obvious
so if someone who isnt smart thinks the president isnt smart, so what ?
hehe, VemoD thinks killing a cow is murder He knows
An opinion of Bush *not* being a complete genius means you’re foolish ;p
Vemo, You A PETA type ?
dclassify your ranting know
I mean….George Carlin is smarter
dclassify with empty rethoic
dclassify, being stupid gets you devoiced, this channel is for adults.
Did you used to come here a long time ago with a different nick? And were you from NY ?
dclassify bush won 4 elections
thats not stupid
“more smart” I guess is the term
That is essentially what FT just implied
dclassify, it was childish
George Carlin is the most pathetic excuse for a bag of skin in the world I used to think he was funny
dclassify dclassify meathead
dclassify, you don’t speak for FT
dclassify This was the liberal mantra on keeping a ruthless brutal dictator in power. Please note that Saddam Hussein was paying the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Mass graves have been found in Iraq and Saddam was a terrorist.
Don’t eat cows please, you’d be doing me a favour
then I found out a lot of his jokes were his true beliefs now I know Carlin is an idiot
It’s what I read
Well, the cows wouldn’t mind it either
dclassify, no it’s not
Saddam had to break a few eggs to keep peace in Iraq. The USA is finding this out also.
How is Vemo saying the president isn’t smart, make him not smart?
VemoD, what will the cows do if we don’t eat them?
Again, how do we know anything about him/her
dclassify This was the liberal mantra on keeping a ruthless brutal dictator in power. Please note that Saddam Hussein was paying the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. Mass graves have been found in Iraq and Saddam was a terrorist. ,,,, dclassify that the libera rethoic
dclassify, I was talking about your childishness
empty rethoic with out base
Get over yourself
dclassify again your going in circulars
I will speak for me, Not liking bush isnt a reason for devoicing or any punishmenr, or thinking bush isnt smart.. Calling him an idiot is a reason for devoicing or banning.. Do you see the distinction ?
At least he’s honest
dclassify no TheTailor is right
You don’t know me or anything about me
Mass graves are being filled in Iraq right now. Let me see. Hmm.
one is an opinion
free:
your acting like a litte kid
I’ve heard your rhetoric gopp, please
the other is a severe ad hom which has no value in a debate or discussion
Buzz off little bug
dclassify, well I do, your posts give incight.
dclassify yes
insight
and my rhetoric is what it is dclassify n August 2004, the Bush Administration released a warning to the public about possible plans by al Qaeda to target financial centers in some large U.S. cities. This information was met with criticism and skepticism by liberal Democrats and the liberal media because the warning was based on information was was a few years old.
I really care [little] of your opinion
I dont believe in calling people idiots, things are idiotic, plans are idiotic, but people are not idiots (nouns) unless they are very rare individuals.
If you think I do, you’re fooling yourself
dclassify ..Please be advised that al Qaeda does not plan major attacks and carry them out the following day..
dclassify, doesn’t matter, act like an adult or get out
Thats simply like saying John Smith is a cock sucker
I never didn’t
9/11 took years of planning
happy christmas eve, all
dclassify the most destructive terrorist attacks executed by al Qaeda were planned for years. The attack on America on September 11, 2001, was 5 years in the making.
An opinion of Bush *not* being a complete genius means you’re foolish ;p
It’s true
To a child, sure.
(again) how can you call someone not smart b.c of their opinion?
dclassify the most destructive terrorist attacks executed by al Qaeda were planned for years. The attack on America on September 11, 2001, was 5 years in the making. so thierfore clinton had lot of time to fix the problem
Cock sucker means idiot means fuckhead means nigger means Kike means Spic, Means, White peice of shit, etc etc etc
The Iraq war is ‘improving the technology of terrorism’ — insurgents are developing new techniques and using Iraq as the testing ground. Eventually they will aplly these to other countries too.
Pardon my sick and crude words but I hope I got a point across
ke6i, they would do that anyway. And have
I say again, as we are on IRC, I don’t pretend to think I know someoone
dclassify That seems to be the strategy of liberal Democrats and the opinion of liberal media. These are the same liberals that bash President Bush for not doing enough to fight the war on terror?
Ad homs of that nature just dont advance any debate at all.
WIthout the war, they would sit in their houses and read the Koran.
or how smart they are based on “words”
criminals always did travel in advance of law enforcement, technologically speaking
But you might think someone is dumb and we can debate that define dumb ?
dclassify, what has that to do with your childish behavior?
they CREATED the war
Testing in battle causes techniques to advance faster.
Do you have a fave comedian?
If someone says I don’t think Bush is smart, and you say *I don’t think you’re smart*
That would always be my first question
dclassify That seems to be the strategy of liberal, becuase your base your opnions and arguments on knee jerk reaction
That isn’t an ad hom?
and your point is what?
dclassify, what has that to do with your childish behavior?
I don’t know.
Vemo, I used to like Carlin till I found out he hated life was miserable suicidal anf a lot of his jokes arent even jokes he truly believes them
dclassify why blame bush if The people of Spain, Australia, Iraq, Pakistan, Israel and the children in Russian did nothing to deserve the acts of terror that they have suffered.
that’s the way the world works … you can either cope with it or try to ignore it until it gets you
ke6i, you don’t need to test a bomb in battle
Please get off your ego trip as your measly little VOP status
But today hmm. I dont know. Favorite comedian ?
And stop asking me repetitive questions
Eddie murphy can be very funny
To annoy me
You test ‘war tactics’ in battle.
so did you ever find a new one?
dclassify, strike two.
so can the guy who played shallow Hal He can be hillariou s
lol “strike two”
dclassify stop ranting
I like Eddie Murphy
I dont know..
I can see why you’re devorced
The IED, car bombs, etc. This is all being advnaced in the Iraq war. You’ll see.
(;
dclassify all you have is starw men arugments
how to motivate a suicide bomber to strap on a bomb and commit murder/suicide … impressive
DC warning, attack ops can get you in trouble.
dclassify personal attacks how childlisj
Your op is abusive
so taunting an op is not a wise thing to do
dclassify, 3you are devoiced (Requested by TheTailor - Reason: And he’s out of here! )
See
Take a little break.
I tried to warn him but oh well, he got a lesson .. hehehe
as a lad, he must have been one to rattle hornet’s nests with a stick
Bill That was me both literally and figuratively Have the been sting memories to prove it been = bee Hey OcDoc!
hiya
mosquito bites were enough for me
You know today other than a favorite comedian per se a lot of actors can be very funny at times.. depending on the movies.. Like pulp fiction.
“Do you think Iraq is currently engaged in a civil war, or do you not think Iraq is currently engaged in a civil war?”
I mean yeah he (murphy) has been reduced to rubble, but he was good. Same with Steve Martin….his standup was great. I still would say Carlin is way up there though, I mean really I always knew it was dark humour and that he couldn’t come up with that unless he had a dark side.
I separate enjoying a peroformance from the personality of the performer
Carlin was funny for a short time… maybe one show
OcDoc, sometims I cant ..
Gallagher was good
BUSHDIDIT!!!!
Like Merchant of venice without Al Pacino ? It wouldnt be the same
I suspend my disbelief (if I can) during the performance and then shrug it off when the performer is arrest for being a jerk
“All in all, considering the costs to the United States versus the benefits to the United States, do you think the war with Iraq was worth fighting, or not?”
I like George Carlin
School of rock without that one guy ? Forgot his name.
AAAman Please note that Hitler conducted a war to conquer countries in order to expand his empire. He purposefully enslaved and murdered millions of innocent people. President Bush conducted a war to liberate innocent people and rid the world of a dangerous dictator.
Jack Black?
AAAman…BUSHDIDIT!!!
hehehe
OcDoc, oh we were discussing comedy
AAAman, of course it’s worth it, and it will cost a lot more before it’s over.
that’s the same question you posted over a week ago
gopp — Yes or no?
CryHavoc hi BillFrugg hi AAAman hi
hey goppster
yes, and comedians … two different subjects
The funny thing is I have always loved Michael Richards….and then someone has to show me his rant. I feel guilty but I still think he’s good
I suspend my attention to say an actors politics when I watch his movie or how much I likehim.
aaa YES
OcDoc — I do not believe that is correct
gopp Castro will soon be going downdowndown
CryHavoc did you hear
Richards was only funny while he played Kramer
For example I still think that Tom cruise is a great actor but also a jerk..
what gopp?
some world top notch doctor
Tom Cruise was never a great actor…
is over looking his health
that’s the exact question someone posted that I objected to as too complex for a simple man on the street poll
and I also heard Colon cancer
some specilist yea
Nah, Cruise just *looks* right Thats all
it may not have been you, but it’s the same question from the same poll
CryHavoc A renowned Spanish surgeon has been rushed to Cuba to treat ailing dictator Fidel Castro, a Spanish newspaper reported on Sunday. Jose Luis Garcia Sabrido, an intestinal specialist, traveled to Cuba on Thursday aboard an aircraft chartered by the Cuban government, according to Spain’s left-leaning El Periodico de Catalunya newspaper. The plane carried medical equipment not available in Cuba in case the dictator needs further surgery du
Lots of people are great actors and politically ummm Damn dont want to violate my own rule well ok I am not calling them this just htier politics,. they are political vapid,(Didnt say moronic) good..
Harrison Ford is the hottest actor of all time imo
There are a couple performers not many who I despise so much as anti american i wont see their films.
Tom Cruise is a mediocre character actor … he always plays “Tom Cruise” in whatever movie
sorry
And htats only less than 5 if that
This is an adult channel
I hate it when an actor opens his mouth and spouts his opinions… I don’t care what they think OcDoc, so did John Wayne… (play John Wayne, that is…)
I’m a little different … I think someone can be a good actor and also have a private life true … I never said he was a great actor either
anwyay….Bladerunner…yeah…
I have total celebrity burn-out
Alec Guiness was a great actor … John Gielgud
I just prefer to think of them by the characters they portray
I am completely sick of seeing celebrities on TV.
OcDoc my problem is I wish some of them WOULD Have a private life I wont see barbara streisand..
heh
A) she sucks B) her acting sucks
Or like celebrities interviewed on letterman talking about their crappy movie. Blah blah.
Peter O’Toole
MERRY CHRISTMAS
that’s just biz
Thats probably the first person who comes to mind
Just makes me turn off the TV.
promoting a film is okay
their employers and the public epect it expect
I saw her in the faukers and that movie just was dumb and not very funny, well the first was the sequel she played in wasnt
wtf “Make love not war - except with ruthless dictators!”
And she lied and Americans died, in reality
FreeTra5w when you feel tired and you think that you are to old - think of Ronald Reagan who first ran for President at the age of 69.
These people are not that interesting. Because someone is in a movie does not make them interesting. Letter man should go more Ed Sullivan and fill the show with Plate spinning and balloon acts.
ask John McCain who was in a prison camp Gopp hahah
lemon roll is done
No wait I am thinking of fonda Doh! Get my celebs right
james fonda
Jane
wnad jeffor
gotta love the Cuban Idiots…
lopez
B ut put those too together lopez is fine
and j-lo
only she is getting older and her looks are going
but janefonda was crappy in that movie
Shes getting a fat ass..
for those here too young to remember Pravda and Isvestia in the days of the USSR, Cuban news media is exactly like them
monster in law
Who else.. Oh whats his name.. I might see his new movie
FT wants to Fonda Jane
I’m listening to Olivia Newton John right now oooooooo
but I would love to beat him silly on a street corner with my cane
VemoD CryHavoc Conservatives see the world as good versus evil. Liberals see the world as Caucasian versus African American or the rich versus the poor? How do you see the world?
Matt damon He did the movie goodwill hunting and then believed he was a genius
I love matt damon as an actor
hes not hes dumb
I’m gay, but seriously….Olivia at the end of the Grease movie was soooooo hot
I see the world fuzzy… maybe I need glasses.
CryHavoc is VERY fonda jane
Olivia Newton John got old
But hes a good actor..
people in woefully inefficient nation states….most with little freedom
goodwill hunting is a great movie FreeTra5w Conservatives see the world as good versus evil. Liberals see the world as Caucasian versus African American or the rich versus the poor? How do you see the world?
OcDoc..no..I am Fonda Bridget
Gopp, I see the world as a complicated place. I dont have any simple ways of looking at the world. we have human nature
The world is filled with people, heavily armed, all shooting at ghosts.
we cant escape good and evil even though we know damn well what it is people still mass murder
FreeTra5w hmm
I dont like racial bigotry
mass murder is not human nature
I wish people would get along in the world and end hatred and fighting.
You can help some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you can not help all of the people all of the time.
murder in hot blood is human nature
Yeah…I really like her voice though…still. But in that movie….I dunno…the transformation was so cool
But I also understand the paradox that we sometimes must spill blood to save lvies lives so life is complex its not simple
We’ll always have ‘potential scenarios’ to battle. Pre-emptive war means kill everyone, in the end.
its not black and white its not yes or no Preemptive war means will you listen to me for a minute please ? Dont shut me out
FreeTra5w If you don’t think America is the greatest country in the world- then leave- because you don’t belong here! That what I think about liberal
Pre-emptive war means you make up something someone might do — and then because they might do this, you kill them.
In 1967, There was a mole high up in a arab government, he found out that a number of arab states were going to go to war agaisnt Israel on a certain date. Israels spy as this mole
ke6i, we didn’t kill Saddam
and indeed they were planning war. Israel pre=empted the war and saved their people. So is preemptive really bad ?
pre-emptive war means war, ambiguously defined against ‘terror’ — an intent to use a technique.
the idea of a pre-emptive war is to stop a war later
The person who shoots first is the winner in a gun fight.
ok thats a belief system
and if you water board enough Arabs you can find all the intent you need.
what I described in real life was true was a fact Yaak aint that the truth.
check this out
Yaakov, or straightest
” The difference between liberalism and conservatism. A liberal obtains votes when more people are in poverty and a Conservative obtains votes when more people escape poverty! “
Now I agree you can ABUSE The doctrine of Pre emption Unquestinably you can abuse it.
…Bush has to deal with Iraqi’s loyal to Saddam who want to sabotage his efforts in Iraq and Democrats who want to sabotage his efforts at home!
It is usually not a matter of aim, but you could get lucky…
we could say Canada plans to go to war with us in 10 years so we attacked them now but we had a lot of horrific crimes against Saddam
Americans have notoriously lousy intelligence. They are confabulating potential attacks and deciding on a pre-pemption for them all.
crimes against humanity And his own people wanted to be free from him
The problem is… there is a legitimate argument for pre-emptive strikes but it DOESN’T obviate the need for circumspection in employing them.
ke6i, all?
even to this day the huge majority of Iraqis will tell you they are happy we got rid of saddam
well not all of them.
EVEN IF THEY want ot get rid of US!
Then why say all?
hahaha
Just the nature of the thing. You invent a ‘threat’ — you read some angry Mullah — and then decide who to kill.
MSFT facing early crisis of confidence in quality of VISTA; security researchers, hackers find potentially serious flaws in system… Developing…
In the end this means they all have to die.
ke6i, but we used intelligence from 6-10 other nations known for good intel ? So how do we explain that ?
ke6i, did we invent either the bombing of the WTC or the flying of planes into them?
Becuse we are fighting ghosts.
ke6i Those of you that say that George Bush is a criminal are now in the same company as Saddam Hussein.
do you got a source for that arab government mole, sounds like a good read
yes but the idea that you can fight a ‘potential’ is false.
ke6i, why would anyone else be a threat to us other than israel or NK… And syria
If you fight a potential, you are fighting ghosts.
ke6i, sure you can fight a potential
and hezbollah but they are sort of the same as saying Iran I mean IRAN not Israel Damn that looks stupid
Because there’s a lot of intent out there.
No, potential enemies aren’t ghosts.
I mean IRAN not ISRAEL IRAN or NK or syria or Hezbollah which is an agent of Iran Hezbollah murdered our americans in kobe towers we now know that
Because you can always come up with something someone might do. The USA is just backwards on this, and I think the USA will flail around for awhile.
because a federal judge said it?
until they figure this out.
so we already have actuallly been attacked by iran and we did nothing they prempted us
ke6i, you are dreaming.
ke6i, right now no other nations in the world are hostile toward us
Look here, there’s a point to war sometimes. If you have friends on the ground.
So its not infinite you cant just keep going
Like in Afghanistan, they bombed the Taliban and the Northern Alliance took over.
and we arent trying to preempt anyone else we are with diplomacy we are tyring to convince Iran to change before we do act and we will act even under a democrat we will act The cost is way to high the risk of Iran with nukes
We will never be at peace because we’ll always find a ‘potential threat’.
thats unbearable to either party
and the response to the potential threat is seen as an attack and that creates more threats. repeat until broke.
ke6i, What if that is one of those complications of life or paradoxs which make life so difficult ? What if thats the nature of humanity ?
ke6i, really? Never?
if it is our nature how can we change it ? We cant
Unfortunately for you freetrade, the majority wants to stop this “war”
I dont believe its our nature
I can’t wait
Because the threats are in your mind. They haven’t happened yet.
I beleive over time we can change it
VemoD, no they don’t
VemoD Those of you that say that George Bush is a criminal are now in the same company as Saddam Hussein
Pakistan is nukes presents a great risk, great than that of Iran
but we have to use force sometimes to end violence
I think so
Pakistan nukes presents a great risk, greater than that of Iran
AAAman thats not true at all
VemoD lberals are worried about what the rest of the world thinks of America. The rest of the world should be worried about what America thinks of them.
Not as long as Musharaff and his army are in control
Pakistan is always on the verge of being taken over by terrorists
later you may be right
where did he called George Bush a criminal?
that made no sense
but they are not an imminent problem
call
Pakistan is one gun shot away from terrorist rule
conditions have to occur before they become a problem And besides pakistans are only theater range
War is politics. and Pre-emption is bad politics. You really have to ‘make people not want to kill you’ — to end fighting.
but Iran wants ICBMs
Most recent threat of atomic war was between Pak and India
Iran has no range
Pakistan wants b ombs to use against india
ke6i, how? Convert to Islam?
td AAAman VemoD Some liberals are talking about impeaching Bush for invading Iraq! Impeach Bush for liberating 25 million people and ridding the world of a ruthless dictator.
even when pakistan was more anti american it wasnt interested in us it was interested in india
Ok, so then Iran just wants bombs to use against Israel
VemoD ke6i td AAAman dc This would be the equivalent of impeaching someone who rid the world of Hitler or impeaching Lincoln for ending slavery!
MERRY CRISS EVERYONE
td, or Europe.
from england
Hitler was into pre-emption.
Anyway the point is eventually you may be right AAA about pakistan but toda Iran is agreator threat
Merry Christmas sexonlegs.
Iran Just started a war and fought one recently
Hitler attacked, I think, Romania so Russians wouldn’t get the oil first.
fanq TT
ok so if Iran is going to target europe, why wouldnt Pakistan
Iran is killing americans right nwo
hope u have a fab time bud
now
same to you sexon
td, can’t reach it
Nemes?
neither can Iran
yup
they dont even have nukes
td, now Iran has agents it openly supports in terror.
merry criss bud
td this is the liberal arugments plain and simple
Iranian people sadly are not aware of their governments doings. they are people who dont want to be part of this government but when we attack they may indeed rally b ehind the flag which I suspect is one reason we are delaying action for so long…
td, so think about what happens when they get the bomb.
FreeTra5w td More welfare! Higher taxes! Reduce military spending! Increase social spending! Legalize- partial birth abortions! Stop the death penalty! Yes - for affirmative action! Yes- for reparations! The war in Iraq was unjust!
fact
Don’t impeach, just let him run out his term….and then we’ll see if things change
merry xmas America
we would love to see Iranians handle this but you know what, they arent going to..
